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[SPLIT] Balder and Osiris turn 10

Postby Sedgistan » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:26 am

If anyone wants to write a short history of Balder and/or Osiris, whether of the full 10 years or the events around their founding, then I can potentially get it into a site News post.

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:30 pm

I've split this from the Balder thread so it gets a bit more prominence. This was prompted by Unibot's post here.

I'd like to see a site-wide News post on the founding of these regions. I'd like to include in that one or more short histories of the region; that could be over the last decade or focused on the intial founding period. Or something else to do with the region that you think is interesting. I also don't mind bias being in it, as I think personal accounts/perspectives could be more interesting - there'll be some commentary around it by staff that makes clear the accounts aren't necessarily fully objective.

If you want to write something, post it here, or message it to me.

Feel free to also use this thread to discuss the last 10 years of Balder/Osiris.

For reference, the original News post from 2011 is here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=news/ ... index.html

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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:50 pm

Geez..... I hope Cormac comes back. He has ALL the dirt on Osiris
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Postby Alfonzo » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:16 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Geez..... I hope Cormac comes back. He has ALL the dirt on Osiris

He won't. Tim and Koth also has ALL the dirt on Osiris so maybe they should do it instead.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:22 am

Osiris gets the title of the most dramatic coup in living memory (the one led by Gatesville). Balder gets to sit quietly in the corner and to try not to think too hard about how little they've achieved over the last 10 years.
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:28 am

If memory serves me correctly there were six coups in Osiris in 2013. :p
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:46 am

Unibot III wrote:If memory serves me correctly there were six coups in Osiris in 2013. :p

Memory stopped serving either of us correctly about 5 years ago. 8)
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:06 am

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:
Unibot III wrote:If memory serves me correctly there were six coups in Osiris in 2013. :p

Memory stopped serving either of us correctly about 5 years ago. 8)


Speak for yourself! My memory never worked to begin with!

I thought it would be so easy to write a Osiris/Balder history having lived it. When I sat down to write it I realized many of my memories were false or fuzzy, and I wasn’t paying a lot of attention to Osiris because I had been so focused on Balder.

I have a few memories of that night — I remember us being super confused during spotting, we made a snap decision to move in, and I remember not wanting to stay long as delegate — I was really uncomfortable with being a defender leading (at best) a peacebuilding operation. I also remember waking up that night with a fever dream where I scribbled down on a page something like “tree branches roots brown two horizons” as a note to myself for the flag/WFE.
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Postby Grea Kriopia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:58 am

I'll bite for lack of better things to do. There's a lot to be said here so I'll stick to the founding period:
The first of the two new regions was Osiris which was created by Testlandia on October 18th, 2011 at 10:20:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, although technically founded by the nation of Patroni months prior before ceasing to exist. The new region attracted attention throughout the game, particularly from raiders and defenders, and a raider known as Kain the Dragoon attempted to declare control of the region early on. Seeing this occur, the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization (TITO) moved to secure the region from outside interests with the intent to hold fair elections determined by the natives of Osiris. Sichuan pepper of TITO became the first delegate of Osiris and held the position until Zaolot was publicly elected on October 28th, 2011 by the residents of Osiris, becoming the first Pharoah of Osiris.

Balder was the second of the new regions and was created less than a minute after Osiris on October 18, 2011 at 10:21:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time. Similar to Osiris, Balder attracted significant attention which The United Defenders League (UDL) responded to in hopes of warding off external influence by creating a constitutional convention for Balder. Robin Hood from UDL thus became Balder's first delegate with less conflict and carried out the convention that led to public elections for the delegacy position. Luxembourg was publicly elected delegate on October 25th, 2011, and quickly moved to establish democratic government and order within Balder as its first leader.

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Postby Southern Bellz » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:58 am

time flies. shout out to balder, osiris, and everyone else feeling old rn

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:46 pm

Grea Kriopia wrote:I'll bite for lack of better things to do. There's a lot to be said here so I'll stick to the founding period:
The first of the two new regions was Osiris which was created by Testlandia on October 18th, 2011 at 10:20:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, although technically founded by the nation of Patroni months prior before ceasing to exist. The new region attracted attention throughout the game, particularly from raiders and defenders, and a raider known as Kain the Dragoon attempted to declare control of the region early on. Seeing this occur, the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization (TITO) moved to secure the region from outside interests with the intent to hold fair elections determined by the natives of Osiris. Sichuan pepper of TITO became the first delegate of Osiris and held the position until Zaolot was publicly elected on October 28th, 2011 by the residents of Osiris, becoming the first Pharoah of Osiris.

This is a wonderfully revisionist take on the early days of Osiris. TITO didn't give a damn about the natives, such as they existed at the time, of Osiris. It invaded Osiris to prevent the possibility of a raider becoming delegate, regardless of the wishes of its natives.

Happily, the legacy of TITO in Osiris is that engendered a healthy suspicion of TITO in particular and defenders in general, and later actions by other defender groups reinforced that attitude, which has been much to Osiris's benefit over the last decade.
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Postby Kanaia » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:55 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Grea Kriopia wrote:I'll bite for lack of better things to do. There's a lot to be said here so I'll stick to the founding period:

This is a wonderfully revisionist take on the early days of Osiris. TITO didn't give a damn about the natives, such as they existed at the time, of Osiris. It invaded Osiris to prevent the possibility of a raider becoming delegate, regardless of the wishes of its natives.

Happily, the legacy of TITO in Osiris is that engendered a healthy suspicion of TITO in particular and defenders in general, and later actions by other defender groups reinforced that attitude, which has been much to Osiris's benefit over the last decade.

As someone who was there with TITO, and part of the consensus for how to deal with the new sinker, you're wrong. TITO's goal was always to give the region and its "natives" a chance at self determination; And not be immediately domineered and subjugated by outside forces. The evidence of this is clear to see both at the time: With free and fair elections being run by a neutral third party, AMOM, who at the time was a well respected player. No candidates from TITO were allowed to run. And all players being allowed to participate including raiders. When the election concluded and transfer of power occurred, and Osiris given its chance at self determination, TITO left ASAP. To my knowledge TITO has never been involved in Osiris' internal politics again. That players have chosen to use TITO as a boogeyman to sow suspicion and mistrust speaks to the quality of those players, not to the foreign policy of TITO.
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Postby Comfed » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:57 pm

TITO’s goal was to prevent outside interests from dominating the region, but it… invaded the region because a raider was present? :eyebrow:

Edit: Though, wouldn’t any government formed there be the product of foreign intervention?
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Postby Zaolat » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:45 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Grea Kriopia wrote:I'll bite for lack of better things to do. There's a lot to be said here so I'll stick to the founding period:

This is a wonderfully revisionist take on the early days of Osiris. TITO didn't give a damn about the natives, such as they existed at the time, of Osiris. It invaded Osiris to prevent the possibility of a raider becoming delegate, regardless of the wishes of its natives.

Happily, the legacy of TITO in Osiris is that engendered a healthy suspicion of TITO in particular and defenders in general, and later actions by other defender groups reinforced that attitude, which has been much to Osiris's benefit over the last decade.


Leo long gave up raiding at this point in time anyways, so calling Kain a raider was a stretch. It would be like calling Todd a raider when he stayed in TEP instead of Foxrite. In fact Leo was integrated into the region from the get go, even before I was elected and he did fine. The main issue was me allowing Dali and NK to be the primary architects of the law. oops :p

Though, I will remind you Georgie, that I was a defender then.
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Postby Unibot III » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:31 pm

I'm totally unqualified to write about the history of Balder/Osiris after their founding, but I've written a synopsis of an old essay and interjected some personal memories and perspective.

If you decide to use it, Sedge, look out for mis-spelled words please. I don't have spell check on this computer for some strange reason. Call it the "Loop" effect. :p

A decade ago today (around 22:20 EST), Osiris and Balder were founded by Testlandia. The two new regions were created with the intent of helping relieve Lazarus, then the only restorer region, which had ballooned in size and carried the distinction of being the largest region in NationStates (obviously this was long before the days of card-farming!).

Both regions' World Factbook Entries intially read "Something stirs..." and stir, somethings did: over the course of the next few hours, at least a dozen nations would find their way into Osiris and Balder, including the region's first refounded nations, Kanoshii and Indraha respectively, and puppet nations of Revert (Luna Amore), Ballotonia, and Evil Wolf.

The Site Admin, [violet] later noted that she did not intially announce the creation of the two new regions because she wanted to see how the regions would evolve on their own without a News post pointing everyone to it.

The next day, shortly before 2:00 EDT, defenders from Thousand Island Treaty Organization (TITO) began entering Osiris en masse in response to the arrival of known invaders, Kain the dragoon (Leo Romefeller) and East Triludia (Gerzam). TITO represented 10000 Islands (10KI) which at that time was the largest defender region in NationStates.

Although East Triludia (Gerzam) and Kain the Dragoon had declared themselves "Co-Emperors" of Osiris and called for an "Aretist Revolution", the rationale behind 10KI's deployment faced public scrutiny as Kain and other invaders were surpassed in terms of endorsements by other residents, including most notably Revert (Luna Amore).

Shortly after TITO deployed in Osiris, I and other members of the United Defenders League (UDL) became aware of the existence of Balder and Osiris. It wasn't immeaditely clear to us what the significance of the small founderless regions were. Indeed, I recall a lot of confusion in our IRC channel that night. After some discussion, I made a gut call to order a UDL deployment into Balder for the purposes of seizing the delegacy.

The goal for the deployment was clear: to occupy the power vaccum in an interim capacity and ensure a peaceful and democratic transition of power to an elected native government. However, I remained reluctant about the operation because the UDL already had its hands full dealing with an occupation in Utopia and defenders typically only responded to invaded regions to restore the delegacy to native communities. In the case of Balder, there was no invasion to respond to, and no native community in sight. We were entering unchartered territory...

I slept poorly that night, waking up periodically to check my nation's endorsements and look out for any challengers.

My worrying was for naught though. Shortly after midday, I (under my puppet name, Robin Hood) became the first delegate of Balder and TITO Commander Improving Wordiness (Sichuan Pepper) became the first delegate of Osiris. It is worth noting however that the UDL had been challenged earlier that morning by a late bid for the delegacy by the President of Europeia, Rachel Anumia, who solicited endorsements from Europeia, Empire of Earth, the New Inquisition, and Land of Kings and Emperors. In the years to come, Rachel would play a significant role in Balder as a delegate, sovereign, and forum admin.

As delegate, I quickly established an election for Balder's next WA Delegate (to be concluded on October 23) and launched an open Constitutional Convention for Balder residents to develop their region's first constitution. Unfortunately, Luxembourg (also known as Aglirinia), the runaway favourite for the delegacy, would later hack his Vice Delegate's email account and tried (unsuccessfully) to overthrow the government.

Meanwhile in Osiris, TITO Command announced that an election would be held to decide the region's next WA Delegate and A Mean Old Man (AMOM), a respected neutral gameplayer, had been chosen by TITO to oversee this process. In a very close vote (21-19) against Revert, Zaolat was declared the winner of that interim delegate election.

Initially, Revert had tied with Zaolat, but upon realizing Zaolat had voted for Revert while Revert had voted for himself, Revert famously asked for his vote to be changed in Zaolat's favour as a good-mannered gesture!

I'll always remember these days as an especially exciting time for NationStates: full of opportunity and buzzing with rival ambitions. The creation of these two regions were truly unexpected events and both Osiris and Balder would continue to hold the attention of a captive playerbase for many months to come as laws were written, treaties were struck, and their governments matured.

For a fuller recap on these events and more, you can read my writings in "Something Stirs: The History of Early Balder & Osiris."
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