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Postby Eluvatar » Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:53 pm

We have a gameside ignore list. A user can add nations to their nation's ignore list, and their nation will not receive telegrams from nations on that list.

It would not be particularly difficult to adapt this ignore list to also affect Regional Message Boards.

I would appreciate people's thoughtful consideration of whether this would be beneficial, and whether it would be better to suppress (perhaps with more barriers for viewing like an "are you sure?" popup) or hide such posts entirely from the perspective of the nation who has the poster in question on its ignore list.

This is not a promise that such a feature will be adopted immediately or in any particular timeframe, but it's something I would like to see considered.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:00 pm

I think it would make sense to suppress the posts. That way the player has the choice to see the post if they want to see it or ignore it if they want to ignore it.

I wouldn't bother with a popup because you don't want to make too much work for players that choose to read the posts. It's already very easy for players who choose not to read them. Just don't click.
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Postby Dakota Vytherov » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:14 pm

Could support adding an RMB ignore list, but I know the intention behind this is based on the TRR Mute Button thread.

I'd be happy not having to see transphobic shit on TRRs RMB, but I'd be much happier if TRR was simply allowed to enforce not wanting transphobia and other various forms of hatred on our RMB. Letting individual players not have to see the bigoted posts doesn't fix the overall problem of NS moderation / TRRs RMB, it just attempts to shove it under a rug. This suggestion would make more sense if it was about "this player irritates me, they Spell Every Word With The First Letter Capitalized" or about "hey I don't want this person notifying me on the RMB about if dogs are better than cats constantly", not "I don't want to see this players post because they endorse honor-suicide of my identity".

But sure, this could be okay if this was an idea that came of it's own accords.
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Postby Flanderlion » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:23 pm

Eluvatar wrote:We have a gameside ignore list. A user can add nations to their nation's ignore list, and their nation will not receive telegrams from nations on that list.

It would not be particularly difficult to adapt this ignore list to also affect Regional Message Boards.

I would appreciate people's thoughtful consideration of whether this would be beneficial, and whether it would be better to suppress (perhaps with more barriers for viewing like an "are you sure?" popup) or hide such posts entirely from the perspective of the nation who has the poster in question on its ignore list.

This is not a promise that such a feature will be adopted immediately or in any particular timeframe, but it's something I would like to see considered.

Seems fairly common sense. Either option is fine imo.

I personally think if you're putting them on the ignore list, they should just vanish from what you can see, but that's more a personal preference, and the NS forums just does the equivalent of suppression.
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Postby Weed » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:29 pm

Seems reasonable. Also seems like if rolled out it makes sense to make sure the system talks to the notifications too (no notifications if quoted on RMB, or really any notifications relating to the ignored nation).
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:44 am

I would be against this. Blocking a nation's telegrams doesn't mean I don't want to see anything that nation does, especially when it's part of a larger conversion where I'll still be seeing the one half of the conversation and just get confused if I can't see the other half.

It's like, you can want someone to stop constantly phoning you at awkward times of night without necessarily being against talking to that person at a party.

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Postby The Church of Satan » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:24 am

The problem with this is that it doesn't solve the problem at all. Most players would still have to see it. New players especially. And we don't want prospective new citizens being put off by hateful and toxic content because A) they couldn't possibly have known to ignore a certain player, and B) they wouldn't even know there was an "ignore " feature. Most new players don't even know there's an "edit" button on the RMB until someone points it out.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:28 pm

Trotterdam wrote:I would be against this. Blocking a nation's telegrams doesn't mean I don't want to see anything that nation does, especially when it's part of a larger conversion where I'll still be seeing the one half of the conversation and just get confused if I can't see the other half.


This is a good reason not to hide the posts entirely.

If the posts are still there, just suppressed, it would be easy enough to figure out what's going on, though.
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Postby Slatos Empire » Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:04 am

So on one side, people want too have individual mutes where you don't have to see content from another player, and the other is people wanting power given to mute and hide content from another player from anyone seeing, the former is far less prone to abuse. If people don't wish to see mine or another person's rule abiding post, then they won't have to, don't force it on everyone else.

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Postby The Church of Satan » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:32 pm

SLaToS EmPiRe wrote:So on one side, people want too have individual mutes where you don't have to see content from another player, and the other is people wanting power given to mute and hide content from another player from anyone seeing, the former is far less prone to abuse. If people don't wish to see mine or another person's rule abiding post, then they won't have to, don't force it on everyone else.

Site rules, sure. But what about regional law? What about those who completely disregard the rules of the RMB? Rules that we consistently have to remind certain players of, to no avail? Ignoring a problem doesn't solve it. It merely lets it fester and rot until it becomes cancerous.
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Postby Kandorith » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:36 pm

I'd wholeheartedly support personal ignore lists to be honest.
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Postby Sincluda » Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:53 pm

I’d support this, and I think it could go well with a “friends” list. Would be appropriate for the Dossier page.
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Postby Archinstinct » Sat Oct 09, 2021 4:29 pm

I support this.

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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:21 pm

Considering that NS staff have already made it clear that a Mute button is not happening, this is the next best thing and probably more achievable. I support the implementation of this as a solution to the growing issues in TRR.
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Postby Comfed » Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:24 pm

This would be a good idea even if there weren’t so many issues with TRR.
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Postby Slatos Empire » Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:25 pm

This would work well across all of NS, not just TRR. It's free from abuse

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:12 am

And what happens if the founder/only Communications RO in a region decides to put a particularly annoying poster who is doing nothing more than breaking regional RMB rules on IGNORE, thereby effectively preventing him from actually suppressing that person's posts and potentially forcing third parties into filing frivolous GHRs?
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Postby Slatos Empire » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:15 am

Tinhampton wrote:And what happens if the founder/only Communications RO in a region decides to put a particularly annoying poster who is doing nothing more than breaking regional RMB rules on IGNORE, thereby effectively preventing him from actually suppressing that person's posts and potentially forcing third parties into filing frivolous GHRs?

Posts could have a show option

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Postby Ghost Land » Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:24 am

Sincluda wrote:I’d support this, and I think it could go well with a “friends” list. Would be appropriate for the Dossier page.

A friend list, as in similar to Facebook?

Now that's something I'd be against. NS is NS, not FB, and we don't need the drama of "he unfriended me waaaa".

As for the original idea - I'd be in support of it, but decouple the new RMB ignore list from the TG ignore list, for the reason Trotterdam provided.
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Postby Merni » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:38 am

Ghost Land wrote:A friend list, as in similar to Facebook?

Now that's something I'd be against. NS is NS, not FB, and we don't need the drama of "he unfriended me waaaa".

No reason why friend lists should be public to others. Even the NS forum has a friend list feature (along with the foe list, although the friend list does very little of use).
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Postby Archinstinct » Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:25 pm

Tinhampton wrote:And what happens if the founder/only Communications RO in a region decides to put a particularly annoying poster who is doing nothing more than breaking regional RMB rules on IGNORE, thereby effectively preventing him from actually suppressing that person's posts and potentially forcing third parties into filing frivolous GHRs?


Huh. That's a pretty good point tinhampton.

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Postby Toerana » Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:44 pm

Tinhampton wrote:And what happens if the founder/only Communications RO in a region decides to put a particularly annoying poster who is doing nothing more than breaking regional RMB rules on IGNORE, thereby effectively preventing him from actually suppressing that person's posts and potentially forcing third parties into filing frivolous GHRs?

Then the founder and/or Comms ROs put them on ignore and don't suppress their posts. They know what pressing the ignore button would do and it's their choice. That's an invalid argument against a possible RMB side ignore button.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:17 pm

As its own thing, this idea has merit. I must however reiterate that it does not resolve the issue of being able to manage TRR's RMB.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:32 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:As its own thing, this idea has merit. I must however reiterate that it does not resolve the issue of being able to manage TRR's RMB.

You're right. I've called this a solution for the "TRR problem" in previous posts, but solution isn't the right word. My support for this comes from the fact any actual solution to the problem is one that NS staff will not implement for one reason or another. I don't think an Ignore feature for RMBs will make TRR's RMB more manageable, but I think it will improve the experience of many of those in TRR that are irritated by the state of the RMB, and be better for many players' mental health.
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Postby Galiantus III » Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:40 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:As its own thing, this idea has merit. I must however reiterate that it does not resolve the issue of being able to manage TRR's RMB.


As someone who thinks the purpose behind the original complaints mostly has to do with wanting to silence particular views hated by certain intolerant players, I agree with this statement. TRR deserves some method to manage its own RMB, and a foe list does not address this. This is clearly meant as an attempt to satisfy TRR, yet it is extremely general in scope, and no one would see it as a meaningful solution to the actual problem.
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