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[SUBMITTED] Turf Wars

Postby Apatosaurus » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:19 pm

Unfortunately, Ikania is busy. They have given me this issue to work on, and will of course be credited as a co-author when this is inevitably submitted.

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] The most recent venture by your Chief Advisor into MyFace has yielded the terrifying discovery of a deluge of posts criticising your leadership from the group "@@NAME@@ Proud", containing blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture of you with a bacon sandwich. @@NAME@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but the bulk of its funding in reality comes from corporate donors and your political opponents, causing many of your officials to worry about "astroturfing", where sponsors are hidden to give the appearance of being supported by grassroots donations.

[validity] Co-authored by Ikania. Invalid for nations with the internet banned, the "No Dissent" policy or socialism.

[option]"We really are allowing these organisations to take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's the average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard?" rhetorically questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Chief Advisor. "They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by unpatriot- I mean, rich donors with ulterior motives. We must ban corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."
[effect]landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of sponsors than an F1 Grand Prix car
[option_validity] Cars are legal

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of sponsors than a Tour de @@NAME@@ bicycle
[option_validity] Cars are banned

[option]"There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and of course, more votes. If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"
[effect]bacon sandwiches are advertised better by political ads than regular ads

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] The most recent venture by your Chief Advisor into MyFace has yielded terrifying discoveries, worst of all a deluge of posts criticising your leadership from the group "@@NAME@@ Proud", containing blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture involving you and a bacon sandwich. @@NAME@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but in reality the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has caused many of your officials to worry about "astroturfing", where political sponsors are masked to give the appearance of being supported by grassroots donations.

[validity] Co-authored by Ikania. Invalid for nations with the internet banned.

[option]"We really are allowing these organisations to take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's the average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard?" rhetorically questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Chief Advisor. "They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by unpatriot- I mean, rich donors with ulterior motives. We must ban corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."
[effect]landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of sponsors than an F1 Grand Prix car
[option_validity] Cars are legal

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of sponsors than a Tour de @@NAME@@ bicycle
[option_validity] Cars are banned

[option]"There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"
[effect]political ads do a better job at advertising certain products than regular ads

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] The most recent venture by your Chief Advisor into MyFace has yielded terrifying discoveries, worst of all a deluge of posts criticising your leadership from the group "@@NAME@@ Proud", containing blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture involving you and a bacon sandwich. @@NAME@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but in reality the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has caused many of your officials to worry about "astroturfing", where political sponsors are masked to give the appearance of being supported by grassroots donations.

[validity] Co-authored by Ikania.

[option]"We really are allowing these organisations to take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's the average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard?" rhetorically questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Chief Advisor. "They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by unpatriot- I mean, rich donors with ulterior motives. We must ban corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."
[effect]landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of sponsors than an F1 Grand Prix car
[option_validity] Cars are legal

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of sponsors than a Tour de @@NAME@@ bicycle
[option_validity] Cars are banned

[option]"There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"
[effect]political ads do a better job at advertising certain products than regular ads

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] After your Chief Advisor searched on MyFace to find out what citizens are saying about you, they found a deluge of advertisements and posts from a group called "@@NAME@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, often containing blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture involving you and a bacon sandwich. @@NAME@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but in reality the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

[validity] Co-authored by Ikania,

[option]"I've never seen anything like it," argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a political transparency activist. "These organizations take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's your average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard. They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by rich donors with ulterior motives. This practice is incredibly harmful to our democracy, and the only reasonable option is to ban corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."
[effect]landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of donors than an F1 Grand Prix car
[option_validity] Cars are legal

[option]"Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect]political ads have a longer list of donors than a Tour de @@NAME@@ bicycle
[option_validity] Cars are banned

[option]"There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"
[effect]political ads do a better job at advertising certain products than regular ads

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] After your Chief Advisor searched on MyFace to find out what citizens are saying about you, they found a deluge of advertisements and posts from a group called "@@NAME@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, often containing blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture involving you and a bacon sandwich. @@NAME@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but in reality the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

[option] "I've never seen anything like it," argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a political transparency activist. "These organizations take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's your average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard. They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by rich donors with ulterior motives. This practice is incredibly harmful to our democracy, and the only reasonable option is to ban corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."

[effect] landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

[option] "Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."

[effect] political ads have a longer list of donors than an F1 Grand Prix Car

[option] "There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"

[effect] political ads do a better job at advertising certain products than regular ads

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] After your Chief Advisor searched on MyFace to find out what citizens are saying about you, they found a deluge of advertisements and posts from a group called "@@NAME@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, and contain blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture involving you and a bacon sandwich. @@NAME@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but in reality the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

[option] "I've never seen anything like it," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a political transparency activist. "These organizations take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's your average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard. They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by rich donors with ulterior motives. This practice is incredibly harmful to our democracy. We need to ban this practice and forbid corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."

[effect] landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

[option] "Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning political ads is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, morally perfect politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should just mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."

[effect] political ads have a longer list of donors than the entirety of the book "Jennifer Government"

[option] "There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think you eating a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"

[effect] political attack ads commonly show unflattering pictures involving politicians and a bacon sandwich

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] After your Chief Advisor searched on MyFace to find out what citizens are saying about you, they found a deluge of advertisements and posts from a group called "@@NATION@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, and contain blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture involving you and a bacon sandwich. @@NATION@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but in reality the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

[option] "I've never seen anything like it," says @@RANDOMNAME@@, a political transparency activist. "These organizations take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's your average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard. They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by rich donors with ulterior motives. This practice is incredibly harmful to our democracy. We need to ban this practice and forbid corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."

[effect] corporations are prosecuted for selling astroturf if they dare fund a political organisation on social media

[option] "Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning political ads is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, morally perfect politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should just mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."

[effect] political ads have a longer list of donors than the entirety of the book "Jennifer Government"

[option] The leader of @@NAME@@ Proud, @@RANDOMNAME@@, barges into your office with no warning. "Seriously? Why do you need to take action against us?" @@HE@@ questions rhetorically. "It is our right to be funded by whoever supports us! To deny us the right would be a huge obstruction of corru... er.. political freedom! Look, I'll give you these 10 @@CURRENCY@@ if you let our group continue operations without government obstruction." @@HE@@ says showing you a 10 @@CURRENCY@@ bill.

[effect] most political organisations are funded by corporations meant to sell astroturf

[option] "There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think you eating a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"

[effect] astroturfing has become a common and accepted political practice

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] While searching your name on MyFace to find out what citizens are saying about you, you were met by a deluge of advertisements and boosted posts from a group called "@@NATION@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, often spreading flat-out lies paired with an unflattering picture involving yourself and a bacon sandwich, always resulting in millions of clicks. @@NATION@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but on closer examination, it appears that the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

[option] "I've never seen anything like it," says @@NAME@@, a political transparency activist. "These organizations take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's your average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard. They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by rich donors with ulterior motives. This practice is incredibly harmful to our democracy. We need to ban this practice and forbid corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."

[effect] astroturfing is illegal

[option] "Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning political ads is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, morally perfect politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should just mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."

[effect] political ads are out of fashion as they have a longer list of donors than content

[option] "There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think you eating a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world the opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"

[effect] astroturfing has become a common and accepted political practice

TITLE: Turf Wars

THE ISSUE: While searching your name on Maxbook to find out what citizens are saying about you, you were met by a deluge of advertisements and boosted posts from a group called "@@NATION@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, often spreading flat-out lies paired with an unflattering picture involving yourself and a bacon sandwich, always resulting in millions of clicks. @@NATION@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but on closer examination, it appears that the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

1. "I've never seen anything like it," says @@NAME@@, a political transparency activist. "These organizations take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's your average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard. They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by rich donors with ulterior motives. This practice is incredibly harmful to our democracy. We need to ban this practice and forbid corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."

RESULT: Astroturfing is illegal.

2. "Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning political ads is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, morally perfect politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should just mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."

RESULT: Political ads on social media are 10% content, and 90% names of donors.
3. "There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and thus, of course, more votes. If you think you eating a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world what the opposition leader did with a pig back in college!"

RESULT: Astroturf is so common that people can never be sure which patch of grass is real.
Last edited by Apatosaurus on Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:25 am, edited 27 times in total.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:33 am

Isn't astroturfing mostly directed against political causes (climate change, consumer rights) by corporations rather than at individual politicians? There definitely are such campaigns against political leaders, but usually you see them directed against the issues themselves (for example, a group called Citizens for Climate Action that's bankrolled by Exxon or some oil firm).

I would make option 2 (or a new option) featuring a speaker that doesn't think astroturfing is bad (would add a good corruption angle). I would also add an option that entails you to get rid of astroturfing entirely and declare yourself the supreme leader of the nation.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:27 pm

While searching your name on MyFace to find out what citizens are saying about you, you were met by a deluge of advertisements and boosted posts from a group called "@@NATION@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, often spreading flat-out lies paired with an unflattering picture involving yourself and a bacon sandwich, always resulting in millions of clicks. @@NATION@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but on closer examination, it appears that the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

The premise seems solid, and it describes an interesting phenomenon, but do you think you could shorten the description a little bit? It's fairly wordy at the moment.

[effect] astroturfing is illegal

This effect line needs a little humour, as it's a fairly dry statement at the moment. The effect lines are often a witty joke or play of words or something like that, so I would highly encourage you to think of a new effect line :)

[effect] political ads are out of fashion as they have a longer list of donors than content

Same as with the previous comment, try to have the humour be a little sharper in the effect line.

[effect] astroturfing has become a common and accepted political practice

Idem dito ;P

Overall, I think the draft presents and interesting topic and presents it well. Personally, I think three options is sufficient for this topic, and you have presented good choices, I think. The first one is essentially the firm ban, the second one is basically the compromise and the third is the "let's do this ourselves" direction. You're going in the right direction with this, I believe, it just needs a little bit of polishing, especially in the humour department ;)
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Postby Apatosaurus » Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:44 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Isn't astroturfing mostly directed against political causes (climate change, consumer rights) by corporations rather than at individual politicians? There definitely are such campaigns against political leaders, but usually you see them directed against the issues themselves (for example, a group called Citizens for Climate Action that's bankrolled by Exxon or some oil firm).

True, but wouldn't it being directed specifically against the leader work better for an issue?

Outer Sparta wrote:I would make option 2 (or a new option) featuring a speaker that doesn't think astroturfing is bad (would add a good corruption angle). I would also add an option that entails you to get rid of astroturfing entirely and declare yourself the supreme leader of the nation.

Alright, decided to make a new option for that.

Daarwyrth wrote:
While searching your name on MyFace to find out what citizens are saying about you, you were met by a deluge of advertisements and boosted posts from a group called "@@NATION@@ Proud". The posts are intensely critical of your leadership, often spreading flat-out lies paired with an unflattering picture involving yourself and a bacon sandwich, always resulting in millions of clicks. @@NATION@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but on closer examination, it appears that the bulk of its funding comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This has led to consternation in your cabinet about the practice of "astroturfing".

The premise seems solid, and it describes an interesting phenomenon, but do you think you could shorten the description a little bit? It's fairly wordy at the moment.

Sure, done some shortening.

Daarwyrth wrote:
[effect] astroturfing is illegal

This effect line needs a little humour, as it's a fairly dry statement at the moment. The effect lines are often a witty joke or play of words or something like that, so I would highly encourage you to think of a new effect line :)

Ok, changed it completely :p

Daarwyrth wrote:
[effect] political ads are out of fashion as they have a longer list of donors than content

Same as with the previous comment, try to have the humour be a little sharper in the effect line.

Also changed it completely.

Daarwyrth wrote:
[effect] astroturfing has become a common and accepted political practice

Idem dito ;P

tbh I don't really have much specific ideas on what to do to that one though :p
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:28 pm

Option 3 would be better if the leader of the astroturfing group actually bribed you in some way to get your support. Right now, it's not very distinct from the other options unless you get implicated somehow.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:02 pm

Couldn't anyone tell that those photos were photoshopped?
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Postby Apatosaurus » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:43 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Couldn't anyone tell that those photos were photoshopped?

Uh, how do we know that they aren't real?
Outer Sparta wrote:Option 3 would be better if the leader of the astroturfing group actually bribed you in some way to get your support. Right now, it's not very distinct from the other options unless you get implicated somehow.

Added.
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Postby Pythaga » Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:53 pm

I'd recommend reworking or removing option 3. You're trying for all intents and purposes to bribe a politician to loose a race, by allowing an opposing campaign to run illegal attack ads. I don't think anyone would seriously consider offering or accepting a bribe to do such a thing.

I also think all the effect lines need some work too.

1: I'd suggest something like this: "landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws"

2: It's currently very awkwardly worded. I'd recommend changing the comparison to something else too.

3: I think you should scrap or overhaul this option as a whole, meaning the current effect line would go too.

4: This needs some humor, it currently just blandly states what that option does. Maybe something like "political attack ads commonly show candidates ______" where you come up with something absurd or funny to fill in the blank.

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Postby Apatosaurus » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:00 pm

Pythaga wrote:I'd recommend reworking or removing option 3. You're trying for all intents and purposes to bribe a politician to loose a race, by allowing an opposing campaign to run illegal attack ads. I don't think anyone would seriously consider offering or accepting a bribe to do such a thing.

Yeah, I only really included because of what Outer Sparta said. I removed it then.

Pythaga wrote:I also think all the effect lines need some work too.

1: I'd suggest something like this: "landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws"

Done

Pythaga wrote:2: It's currently very awkwardly worded. I'd recommend changing the comparison to something else too.

Ok, I'll think on this.

Pythaga wrote:4: This needs some humor, it currently just blandly states what that option does. Maybe something like "political attack ads commonly show candidates ______" where you come up with something absurd or funny to fill in the blank.

Sure, done
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Postby Apatosaurus » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:05 pm

Bump
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Postby Apatosaurus » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:48 pm

New draft posted.
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Postby Apatosaurus » Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:03 pm

Bump.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:24 am

Option 2's effect line could be "political ads have a greater list of sponsors than a F1 Grand Prix car" given that NASCAR and F1 cars often are littered with sponsors. I've also seen a meme in the context of American politics that politicians should be like NASCAR drivers in wearing a jacket that shows their sponsors.
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Postby Apatosaurus » Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:08 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Option 2's effect line could be "political ads have a greater list of sponsors than a F1 Grand Prix car" given that NASCAR and F1 cars often are littered with sponsors. I've also seen a meme in the context of American politics that politicians should be like NASCAR drivers in wearing a jacket that shows their sponsors.

I've changed it, though I think it's a strange reference to use? I personally prefer the comparison to Jennifer Government.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:57 pm

Effect lines generally describe unintended/surprising consequences of choosing the associated option. Option 3 - where your brother makes a comment about "you eating a bacon sandwich" and then the effect line talks about "unflattering pictures involving politicians and a bacon sandwich" - probably doesn't do this :P
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Postby Apatosaurus » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:30 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Effect lines generally describe unintended/surprising consequences of choosing the associated option. Option 3 - where your brother makes a comment about "you eating a bacon sandwich" and then the effect line talks about "unflattering pictures involving politicians and a bacon sandwich" - probably doesn't do this :P

Ok, I'll try this:
political ads do a better job at advertising bacon sandwiches than bacon sandwich ads
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Postby Jutsa » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:48 pm

I really like this one. :)

Just a quick note:

"If you think you eating a bacon sandwich was bad" could probably be changed to "If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad". ;)

Also, possibly the effect line: "political ads do a better job at advertising bacon sandwiches than bacon sandwich ads" Feels a bit repetitive, almost as if it's repeating the joke one or two too many times. Maybe just a more general "political ads are better at advertising products than their home companies"? Or something like that :P (although that might run into an issue if your nation is socialist)

I'd argue this is probably close to ready for submission though. Good luck to ya. :)
Edit: P.S. I'm very glad someone's writing an issue about this. I admit I would have but I got actual astroturfing mixed up with paid protestors (which is an issue Fauxia covered), so I'm glad at least someone got around to making a solid draft (and hopefully issue) about it.
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Postby The Ferret Lands » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:50 pm

My only problem with this issue is I had no idea that 'astroturfing' meant using dark money to buy social media ads. And especially with lines like this
[effect] landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

it's a little confusing with... you know, astroturf. Is there some other wording or a way to explain that this has actually nothing to do with fake grass and is instead a term used for this political thing?

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Postby Apatosaurus » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:21 pm

Jutsa wrote:I really like this one. :)

Just a quick note:

"If you think you eating a bacon sandwich was bad" could probably be changed to "If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad". ;)

Done

Jutsa wrote:Also, possibly the effect line: "political ads do a better job at advertising bacon sandwiches than bacon sandwich ads" Feels a bit repetitive, almost as if it's repeating the joke one or two too many times. Maybe just a more general "political ads are better at advertising products than their home companies"? Or something like that :P (although that might run into an issue if your nation is socialist)

I tried this because of your point about socialist nations: "political ads do a better job at advertising certain products than regular ads".

Jutsa wrote:I'd argue this is probably close to ready for submission though. Good luck to ya. :)
Edit: P.S. I'm very glad someone's writing an issue about this. I admit I would have but I got actual astroturfing mixed up with paid protestors (which is an issue Fauxia covered), so I'm glad at least someone got around to making a solid draft (and hopefully issue) about it.

Thanks :D
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Postby Apatosaurus » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:23 pm

The Ferret Lands wrote:My only problem with this issue is I had no idea that 'astroturfing' meant using dark money to buy social media ads.

Isn't what "astroturfing" is basically stated in the introduction?

The Ferret Lands wrote:And especially with lines like this
[effect] landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

it's a little confusing with... you know, astroturf. Is there some other wording or a way to explain that this has actually nothing to do with fake grass and is instead a term used for this political thing?

The joke of that effect line is supposed to be about fake grass astroturf, as with astroturfing the political practise being illegal astroturf compaines "might" get mistakenly accused of astroturfing :p
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Postby Apatosaurus » Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:14 pm

If no objections are raised in the next few days, I will be talking to Ike about submitting this.
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Postby Minskiev » Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:20 pm

Effect 2 doesn't work if cars are banned.
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Postby Apatosaurus » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:02 pm

Minskiev wrote:Effect 2 doesn't work if cars are banned.

Using this then:
political ads have a longer list of donors than a Tour de @@NAME@@ bicycle
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Postby Apatosaurus » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:20 am

1) Added a validity requirement so that this issue is invalid towards nations with the internet banned
2) Made a lot of changes suggested off-site by Westinor
3) Will be submitted in 5 days from now (16 December).
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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:59 am

All right, so I will assume that the draft in the OP itself is updated and the latest. I shall critique and give my feedback! Let's get started!

[title] Turf Wars

[desc] The most recent venture by your Chief Advisor into MyFace has yielded the terrifying discovery of a deluge of posts criticising your leadership from the group "@@NAME@@ Proud", containing blatant disinformation and an unflattering picture of you with a bacon sandwich. @@NAME@@ Proud claims to be financed by grassroots donations, but the bulk of its funding in reality comes from corporate donors and your political opponents. This in turn caused many of your officials to worry about "astroturfing", where political sponsors are hidden to give the appearance of being supported by grassroots donations.
This is going to be a bit unusual coming from me, but I think the description could be summarised a little bit. I feel that it's a little too long. Maybe something like "your political opponents - a practice known as "astroturfing" that caused your officials much worry.

[validity] Co-authored by Ikania. Invalid for nations with the internet banned, the "No Dissent" policy or socialism.

[option] "We really are allowing these organisations to take corporate dark money and pass it off as if it's the average @@DEMONYM@@ making their voice heard?" rhetorically questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Chief Advisor. "They pour millions of @@CURRENCY@@ into social media ad buys, and hide the fact that they're bought and sold by unpatriot- I mean, rich donors with ulterior motives. We must ban corporations from funding political groups that advertise on social media."
[effect] landscaping companies are mistakenly accused of violating election laws

[option] "Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. But if we didn't let these companies speak for the little guy, who would? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about who to trust."
[effect] political ads have a longer list of sponsors than an F1 Grand Prix car As a note for everyone else (and for me, as I just found out), F1 is fine because it has been referenced before - Issus 569 being one of them with the term "World Championship F1 Grand Prix".
[option_validity] Cars are legal

[option] "Let's not be too hasty here," interjects your greasy Minister of Finance. "Banning this practice is violating those corporations' right to free speech. Look, I hate disinformation as much as any clean, upright, moral politician. However, if we don't let these companies speak for the little guy, who else will? Us? We should simply mandate the full disclosure of every financial backer in these advertisements, so people can make their own minds up about whom to trust." Both "who to trust" and "whom to trust" are correct, though the latter works better with formal English AFAIK.
[effect] political ads have a longer list of sponsors than a Tour de @@NAME@@ bicycle
[option_validity] Cars are banned
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I know. With that said, "Let's not be too hasty here" can be replaced with something else, maybe.

[option] "There's only one way to effectively fight fire: fire!" yelps your brother, with @@CURRENCY@@ signs in his eyes. "Let's just take a dollop of taxpayer money and pour it into our OWN organizations! Everywhere they want to buy an ad, we buy it first! Every slot, spot and space they try to take, we'll be there with more cash and of course, more votes. If you think a picture of you with a bacon sandwich was bad, wait until we show the world about an opposition leader trying to ride a bike!"
[effect] political ads do a better job at advertising bacon sandwiches than regular ads
Not a major issue (heh) but you can either try replacing the brother with someone else, or work on another option. Maybe it is your leader's cousin's boyfriend's sister, or someone who you have little to no direct connection with, making the astroturfing / buy adspace idea better. Something about buying adspace with fronts and shell companies.

My general feedback on the effect lines are that they could be varied, unless this is something you are going for on purpose by starting with "Political ads..."
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