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Dakota Vytherov
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TRR Mute Button

Postby Dakota Vytherov » Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:53 pm

As TRR tags are apparently important enough to change without proper input from TRR’s current government, I’d like site moderation to be aware of another tag TRR has (one we willingly have on the input of our community): the LGBT tag. We have this tag as we’re a community that accepts LGBT members and wants them to feel welcomed into our community, including members like myself who are active on-site and off-site. Lately TRR has been subjected to a plague of bigots and no way to handle them beyond suppressing their posts. One of them has gone so far as to get a DEAT as of yesterday, but they have already relocated another nation to TRR to keep up their transphobic antics. One post went so far to say he'd commit "honor-suicide" before being in a trans relationship. How is it acceptable to say it's honorable to commit suicide before being in a relationship as a trans person or dating a trans person?

I understand that TRR is a place of rejected nations. I understand that the purpose of TRR is to receive people from all parts of NS who are ejected -- from liberal regions, conservative regions, feeders, sinkers, UCRs, people from The Communist Bloc to Nazi Europa, and that’s going to mean we have a chaotic RMB. But it’s extremely frustrating that Moderation cares as to whether or not TRR is tagged as a Catcher but doesn’t care enough about our community to give us the ability to moderate our RMB in any way beyond ineffectually suppressing posts. Suppression has been proven not to work. We’ve been dealing with Ebergar for a month now and he hit his second DEAT last night, but despite this he's kept up his bigotry. Slatos was someone who also was DEATd and is causing problems for us (though less so, admittedly). We’ve had multiple active members of our RMB who were DEATd and still welcomed, so it’s not as though we’re being DEAT-ist or whatever.

If y’all are going to make us have nations in our region that you yourselves deem to be troublemakers (aka Slatos & Ebergar), give us a mute button. We’re a unique type of region compared to all the other regions, but we still have our own community. We still have our own members to look after, and we’re unable to do so when we’re forced to have people in our region who cause problems on our RMB and given zero effective tools to deal with them. It’s redundant for us to be able to have our own WFE, tags, and flag at a certain point if we are unable to foster the community we wish to.

I can’t imagine TRR abusing a mute button. We’re a community that’s allowed in raiders, imperialists, leftists, conservatives, and we just want the ability to keep hatred off our RMB and more specifically the ability to not have legitimately hateful people be able to post covid misinformation, transphobia, sexism, homophobia, anti-semitism, and so many other types of hateful posts around and negatively impacting our community.

Please give us a mute button that can be managed by a Comms RO or at least our delegate. If there needs to be a cap of how many players we can have muted at once such as how there’s a limit of how many players can be banned from a region at once I understand. But we’re unfairly stuck with players we shouldn’t have to be stuck with. They can always go make their own region, but they choose to stick around and continuously make our RMB honestly a horrible place to be. I wanted to go over the RMB to link all the posts here for Moderation that showed exactly what TRR deals with, but the pure quantity of them is too fucking much and in addition to that, we’ve suppressed so many of the posts that I can’t even quick search them.

Fwiw -- This post wasn't done by the government of TRR, but I did get permission to post this from our delegate and gonna be poking rejects over this thread :P

Arguments from another thread about “Closing” an RMB:
USS Monitor wrote:Muting specific players is also easy to exploit by bad faith actors. What's to stop raiders from muting natives and taunting them about it?


I’m not asking for this for other regions, just TRR. Other regions have Border Control.

What's to stop an RO from using the mute button to win a debate?


What’s to stop an RO of any other region from banjecting a nation to win a debate? This is just giving us Rejects an equiv.

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Yes, but Ebergar picked up a DEAT and within 24 hours already went back to talking about being transphobic under a new account. Nothing has changed by DEATing him for us in TRR.

Completely muting someone's ability to post to an RMB is a game moderator power. That is not something that can or should be handed out to non-moderators.


I mean. They can always move regions and talk there. There’s literally nothing stopping them but themselves. An RMB ban from moderation iirc applies to all RMBs, not just the RMB a nation picked up an offense on. This would just be a mute for the region they’re currently residing in.


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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:16 pm

What would be stopping muted nations from just moving to (or posting on the RMB of) another region where they can carry on pulling off the antics they got muted for?
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Postby Dakota Vytherov » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:18 pm

Tinhampton wrote:What would be stopping muted nations from just moving to (or posting on the RMB of) another region where they can carry on pulling off the antics they got muted for?


Oh read this wrong. Sorry, edited. I mean those regions can banject them. We can't.
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Postby Wascoitan » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:20 pm

this would be great, always feel bad banjecting fash from TCB because I know they'll end up in TRR and probably end up pulling the same shit there that got them banned here. so would be nice to give yall some way to deal with them.
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Postby Haganham » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:20 pm

Tinhampton wrote:What would be stopping muted nations from just moving to (or posting on the RMB of) another region where they can carry on pulling off the antics they got muted for?

the fact that in literally any other region they can be banned, and sent back to TRR. where they are muted?

But yes. Though I think all region ought to have access to an RMB mute list similar to a ban list. None of the staff arguments against it have been at all convincing. Bad faith actors abuse current border control powers and it's called part of the game, as do native regional officers. The response has always been that this is part of the game and that we should either remove them from power or move regions.

Still TRR uniquely deserves such a tool. A few minutes in their RMB demonstrates this.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:32 pm

TRR deserves this. There are literally people on that RMB being transphobes and bigots for shits and giggles and it's absolutely a toxic environment to force a region to endure solely for the sake of being an "ejection free zone". At a certain point, if site moderation isn't willing to put their foot down where they actually should, at least give the Rejects the chance to handle it themselves.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:36 pm

Quebecshire wrote:TRR deserves this. There are literally people on that RMB being transphobes and bigots for shits and giggles and it's absolutely a toxic environment to force a region to endure solely for the sake of being an "ejection free zone". At a certain point, if site moderation isn't willing to put their foot down where they actually should, at least give the Rejects the chance to handle it themselves.

If those people are complaining "muh freedom of speech being oppressed" after being muted then they can always move to another region that allows their beliefs, create a new region, or move to a different site. TRR is unique that they cannot ban anyone but a mute button on more problematic nations would be a good idea for them to deal with troublemakers.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:36 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:TRR deserves this. There are literally people on that RMB being transphobes and bigots for shits and giggles and it's absolutely a toxic environment to force a region to endure solely for the sake of being an "ejection free zone". At a certain point, if site moderation isn't willing to put their foot down where they actually should, at least give the Rejects the chance to handle it themselves.

If those people are complaining "muh freedom of speech being oppressed" after being muted then they can always move to another region that allows their beliefs, create a new region, or move to a different site. TRR is unique that they cannot ban anyone but a mute button on more problematic nations would be a good idea for them to deal with troublemakers.

I know? That's what I was saying?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:36 pm

Dakota Vytherov wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:What would be stopping muted nations from just moving to (or posting on the RMB of) another region where they can carry on pulling off the antics they got muted for?


Oh read this wrong. Sorry, edited. I mean those regions can banject them. We can't.

So what's stopping them from creating their own region where the founder agrees not to kick anybody?
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Postby Island of Misfit Raiders » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:38 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Dakota Vytherov wrote:
Oh read this wrong. Sorry, edited. I mean those regions can banject them. We can't.

So what's stopping them from creating their own region where the founder agrees not to kick anybody?


Nothing? What is your point?

Sorry -- accidentally posted on this nation. Still Dakota/Salem.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:39 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:If those people are complaining "muh freedom of speech being oppressed" after being muted then they can always move to another region that allows their beliefs, create a new region, or move to a different site. TRR is unique that they cannot ban anyone but a mute button on more problematic nations would be a good idea for them to deal with troublemakers.

I know? That's what I was saying?

I was just addressing if anyone would pull out the "freedoms oppressed" as potential opposition.
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Postby Comfed » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:40 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Dakota Vytherov wrote:
Oh read this wrong. Sorry, edited. I mean those regions can banject them. We can't.

So what's stopping them from creating their own region where the founder agrees not to kick anybody?

Nothing. Then they can leave TRR, a region which does not want to tolerate their antics, alone.

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Postby Haganham » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:41 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Dakota Vytherov wrote:
Oh read this wrong. Sorry, edited. I mean those regions can banject them. We can't.

So what's stopping them from creating their own region where the founder agrees not to kick anybody?

Why would we want to stop them?
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Postby Doge Land » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:44 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:I know? That's what I was saying?

I was just addressing if anyone would pull out the "freedoms oppressed" as potential opposition.


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Postby Wymondham » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:51 pm

I'm in favour of this, every other region has a final recourse to RMB trolls who may skirt or dance flagrantly on the line of what moderation, but not said region's community, deem acceptable, and that is to banject that nation and send them to TRR. If we are going to send TRR our refuse, the least that ought to be done is to give TRR some option of last resort as well. Obviously my support for this extends only as far as TRR, it is a unique region and sometimes TRR's uniqueness causes unique problems, which require unique solutions, in this case a mute button. Admin has already taken actions specific to the unique nature of GCR's, feeder welcome TGs are delayed in an attempt to level the playing field, to me this is no different and represents a proportionate and unique response to a unique situation.
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Postby Zukchiva » Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:57 pm

I agree with giving TRR a mute ability, for the reasons a lot of people have stated above.

TRR has a beautiful off-site community. It deserves an equally beautiful RMB community, which is difficult to accomplish when you can't stop people posting hateful comments on said RMB.
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Postby Thousand Branches » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:11 pm

I agree with this idea. TRR can’t ban people, so they should have some way to not have to deal with disgusting comments or things that could be genuinely harmful to large portions of their community. TRR has always thrived in the face of their situation and I think this would help make the region much easier to moderate and generally a much better place. It’s high time we faced this problem instead of pretending it doesn’t exist. Unequivocally in favor of this change.
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Postby Rejected Daarwyrth » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:25 pm

Having witnessed some of what the OP wrote about myself today, I 100% agree that TRR should have a mute option as a tool against RMB trolls and grievers (and especially bigots). I think it's only fair that if all the other regions get to banject nations to TRR, that the latter should have some form of defence against those nations that are sent their way. TRR indeed has a great community going on both on and off-site, and I see no valid reason why its regional officers should be denied a tool to defend that community from harm.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:29 pm

Right now. the only we have to regulated those type of nation, is to suppress their post as they are made.
its really not efficient, nor pleasant,

a mute option would be way more useful

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Postby Lazarene Ryccia » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:37 pm

I fully support this idea. It should be the aim of us all to create a healthy and responsible online environment, not ignore these high levels of toxicity. There's a boundary between freedom of speech and genuinely offensive and toxic discourse, and it has already been crossed ages ago on the TRR RMB.

People may believe otherwise, but it is precisely why TRR is an amalgomation of many individuals with different backgrounds and alternating views that this is needed. One of the pillars for a stable and healthy community is respect, which seems to be a laughable suggestion rather than a common virtue amongst the posters in question. In other regions of similar stature to TRR, communities are moderated in order to ensure standards of respect and decency, especially for communities of this size. The fact that TRR cannot even hope to police its own crowd of miscreants, trolls and bigots has led to the poisonous chaos that has engulfed its RMB. I can't imagine the mental toll this can take on those who are in charge of suppressing these messages every single day.

If TRR should have ineffective moderation because it's made of the rejected from the site, then we're effectively rejecting decency itself and we're normalizing what would otherwise be disgusting, vitriolic and unacceptable behaviour elsewhere. Why normalize hate when you can normalize respect?
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Full support for this idea.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:46 pm

It does make more sense in TRR than it does in other regions, because of the lack of regional ban powers.

On the other hand, it sounds like some of these people are on the road to DOS and will not be around permanently.
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Postby Flanderlion » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:52 pm

Totally disagree about a mute button anywhere.

Arguements from past in spoiler:
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Visionary Union wrote:As I said, only the delegate should have that power. Also, wouldn't be too much off a difference in raids, considering that unless you're tagging, the end goal would be to ban natives out to refound the region, so I hardly see it as more violent.

I replied to a thread a few months back, nothing has changed bar in that same thread Sedge changed from the no view to against camp.
Flanderlion wrote:Wrote up a big post on this but dumbly didn't back it up before I clicked post, which deleted it all when the duplicate topic was merged back.

I'm against, the idea has popped up a lot in the past, taking various forms. Almost exclusively has been posted by players who can't face their region members seeing viewpoints other than their own, but also don't want to eject the nation posting. Thankfully, despite this, admin/moderation has held strong until now.

There is a vast selection of prior threads on this, and I won't bother to rewrite my views on it again (as they're in old threads), but I'll just link a few below in the spoiler:





Above is Reppy's summary of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=358038#p26411781 - Fris/Blaat/Mouse against, Sedge posting but not expressing a view (just yelling at someone for contributing nothing), [v] saying it's feasible, but not much different from suppression/ejection.

viewtopic.php?p=32622035#p32622035 - Fris/Elu against in this one.

Obviously past views don't always represent present ones, but all current admins bar two (Pyth/Salusa who aren't super active), and all current Senior Mods bar two (Sedge who expressed no view, and Katganistan) have expressed views against this in the past. Obviously, they are all viewpoints, and Katganistan's view is the only one that counts here, but as the current idea stands, I'm against. Fine with auto-suppression, as the posts are still visible to players that are interested, but not with non-mods either deleting players posts/preventing them from being able to post at all on their own RMB.

Re OP, it totally goes against the goal of putting more stuff onsite (as offsite has a lot more dodgy stuff occuring), and is a terrible idea for the game. If anything it should be easier to chat onsite (global RMB etc), not harder.


All that said, I do think TRR does deserve 2 things. Firstly, the ability to ban nations from other regions, as moving to TRR to my knowledge doesn't check to see if the nation is banned from TRR. Right now, unlike every other region, if someone is posting crap from an embassy the only recourse is stopping embassy posting. I don't see why the restriction exists (only discovered yesterday it does), as to my knowledge a nation being ejected doesn't check to see if it's banned from the region it's being ejected to (like refounded nations don't check if they're banned from a restorer when refounded).

Secondly and far more controversial:
Allow TRR to eject/banject.
Potentially add a new region that you can only enter via being ejected from TRR. You can leave like normal.

It won't stop the views existing, but at least it won't be in the first port of call when a nation is ejected. Nations are ejected for a variety of reasons, many for IC or meme ones. TRR is a place for second chances. The second catcher will be for nations that need a bit more time to earn it.
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Postby Rejected Daarwyrth » Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:54 pm

USS Monitor wrote:On the other hand, it sounds like some of these people are on the road to DOS and will not be around permanently.

While true, I believe it would still be fair to give TRR the ability to mute the troublemakers for the period that they will be able to spout their nonsense. Other regions have the ability to immediately get rid of the problem by banjecting, TRR has to wait until those players are indeed DOS'ed. It would be fair to grant the regional officers of TRR the ability to use something with direct effect as well, aka a mute option.
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Postby Dakota Vytherov » Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:02 pm

USS Monitor wrote:On the other hand, it sounds like some of these people are on the road to DOS and will not be around permanently.


Due respect to the mods, I'm not a fan of waiting for them to DOS certain players. Block and Feuer Ritter were allowed on the site for far too long before getting a DOS. Giving us options in the meanwhile so we don't have to wait on whether or not a problematic player is problematic enough for a DOS is ideal.

Firstly, the ability to ban nations from other regions, as moving to TRR to my knowledge doesn't check to see if the nation is banned from TRR. Right now, unlike every other region, if someone is posting crap from an embassy the only recourse is stopping embassy posting.


This wouldn't fix our current problem, our problems are from residents of TRR. But sure, this could also be nice.

Potentially add a new region that you can only enter via being ejected from TRR. You can leave like normal.


Honestly this idea just seems like a overcomplicated version of a solution. If this is the only solution mods offered us to get our transphobes off our RMB, I'd accept it, but I'd rather admin not make a GCR that's going to be basically "TRR but Bigots", especially if that region would get an RMB/delegate/etc.
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