by Quebecshire » Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:55 am
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Flanderlion » Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:07 am
by The Python » Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:24 am
by Quebecshire » Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:28 am
The Python wrote:Wait, what rule did they break again?
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by The Python » Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:38 am
by Agraelia » Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:43 am
The Python wrote:Quebecshire wrote:If this was an issue of a clear cut rule violation, I would have posted a moderation report, not a technical thread.
Then what the fuck do you seek to accomplish? A puppetsweep? In that case, again, can you point me to what rule was violated?
by South His Majestys most loyal kangaroos » Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:54 am
Agraelia wrote:The Python wrote:Then what the fuck do you seek to accomplish? A puppetsweep? In that case, again, can you point me to what rule was violated?
Why are you coming off so hostile? And if you read the posts above you wouldn't have shown such ignorance in the question your repeating. The OP has already shown that they haven't broken any rules explicitly, but rather a rule shall be made to combat what their actions are. That a region failure by the Chicken Overlords could hurt Nationstates from a technical standpoint.
by Outer Sparta » Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:05 pm
The Python wrote:Quebecshire wrote:If this was an issue of a clear cut rule violation, I would have posted a moderation report, not a technical thread.
Then what the fuck do you seek to accomplish? A puppetsweep? In that case, again, can you point me to what rule was violated?
by Bears Armed » Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:47 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:The Python wrote:Then what the fuck do you seek to accomplish? A puppetsweep? In that case, again, can you point me to what rule was violated?
The OP didn't say there was any rule broken, they just raised the question and a potential alarm in the instance of mass CTEs that happens if the person operating those puppets are inactive for a long period of time. Frankly, operating over 10k puppets would be a potential bubble that would burst if they all happen to CTE at the same time. And those puppets aren't even card farmers, which makes them more pointless other than to inflate a region's nation count as much as possible.
by Comfed » Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:51 pm
Bears Armed wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:The OP didn't say there was any rule broken, they just raised the question and a potential alarm in the instance of mass CTEs that happens if the person operating those puppets are inactive for a long period of time. Frankly, operating over 10k puppets would be a potential bubble that would burst if they all happen to CTE at the same time. And those puppets aren't even card farmers, which makes them more pointless other than to inflate a region's nation count as much as possible.
With that many nations involved, isn't there a fairly high likelihood that they're being maintained by a programme rather than manually, which would make CTEing less probable?
by Outer Sparta » Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:02 pm
Bears Armed wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:The OP didn't say there was any rule broken, they just raised the question and a potential alarm in the instance of mass CTEs that happens if the person operating those puppets are inactive for a long period of time. Frankly, operating over 10k puppets would be a potential bubble that would burst if they all happen to CTE at the same time. And those puppets aren't even card farmers, which makes them more pointless other than to inflate a region's nation count as much as possible.
With that many nations involved, isn't there a fairly high likelihood that they're being maintained by a programme rather than manually, which would make CTEing less probable?
by Bears Armed » Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:11 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:I've never worked with such software and commands so I wouldn't know how it necessarily works.
by Doge Land » Sat Sep 25, 2021 4:46 pm
Bears Armed wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:The OP didn't say there was any rule broken, they just raised the question and a potential alarm in the instance of mass CTEs that happens if the person operating those puppets are inactive for a long period of time. Frankly, operating over 10k puppets would be a potential bubble that would burst if they all happen to CTE at the same time. And those puppets aren't even card farmers, which makes them more pointless other than to inflate a region's nation count as much as possible.
With that many nations involved, isn't there a fairly high likelihood that they're being maintained by a programme rather than manually, which would make CTEing less probable?
South His Majestys most loyal kangaroos wrote:Agraelia wrote:Why are you coming off so hostile? And if you read the posts above you wouldn't have shown such ignorance in the question your repeating. The OP has already shown that they haven't broken any rules explicitly, but rather a rule shall be made to combat what their actions are. That a region failure by the Chicken Overlords could hurt Nationstates from a technical standpoint.
There is essentially no chance of Chicken Overlords failing like that. There will be no mass CTE. Besides, Chicken Overlords is not the largest region at this point and it certainly isn’t the fastest growing. The sinkers has grown by around 1000 nations in just one day, quite possibly by hundreds more, which I’m sure would have a bigger effect on the technical side than Chicken Overlords. In about a months’ time, there will be a massive CTE of nations founded/refounded from 8th September onwards, but there’ll be no such CTE from Chicken Overlords.
The Python wrote:Quebecshire wrote:If this was an issue of a clear cut rule violation, I would have posted a moderation report, not a technical thread.
Then what the fuck do you seek to accomplish? A puppetsweep? In that case, again, can you point me to what rule was violated?
by South His Majestys most loyal kangaroos » Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:29 pm
Doge Land wrote:Bears Armed wrote:With that many nations involved, isn't there a fairly high likelihood that they're being maintained by a programme rather than manually, which would make CTEing less probable?
I'd say it's a 100% likelihood. I suspect someone just runs the program and then it goes through and logs into all the nations.South His Majestys most loyal kangaroos wrote:There is essentially no chance of Chicken Overlords failing like that. There will be no mass CTE. Besides, Chicken Overlords is not the largest region at this point and it certainly isn’t the fastest growing. The sinkers has grown by around 1000 nations in just one day, quite possibly by hundreds more, which I’m sure would have a bigger effect on the technical side than Chicken Overlords. In about a months’ time, there will be a massive CTE of nations founded/refounded from 8th September onwards, but there’ll be no such CTE from Chicken Overlords.
> Chicken Overlords is not the largest region at this point and it certainly isn't the fastest growing
I was doing some conlanging a few days back and had the API running in the background to send recruitment telegrams, and then I checked the program and it was sending recruitment tgs to only wombles for like 30 minutes. I guess API woes.
And this is technical, not Gameplay. CO is the largest region in terms of nation size.
Chicken Overlords is no longer the largest region in terms of region size. Lazarus is around 300 nations larger and is still growing.
> The sinkers has grown by around 1000 nations in just one day, quite possibly by hundreds more
Sinkers? You mean feeders? And as a TSP native, I can tell you that we do not get 1000 nations in one day. Maybe during Drewpocalypse (the first one) but... no. CTEs offset that amount by a lot. Our population is usually stable and only deviates by around 500-1000 from a center point, usually.
No, I mean sinkers, Lazarus has grown by 1700 nations in the last day or so, over 600 since in the last few hours. In fact all the sinkers have grown by at least a 1000 nations in just the last day or so and have at least 2000 more nations when compared to last week.
> In about a months' time, there will be a massive CTE of nations founded/refounded from 8th September onwards, but there'll be no such CTE from Chicken Overlords.
Why specifically September 8th? It might have something to do with N-Day but I'm not sure...
Why the 8th September? Because that is the day TNP and I believe other GCRs grew by several hundred nations. I believe that is connected to the second Drewpocalypse.The Python wrote:Then what the fuck do you seek to accomplish? A puppetsweep? In that case, again, can you point me to what rule was violated?
Calm down. I know you're a CO native-ish and that you're getting defensive about one of the regions you're in falling but I suspect people in this thread are just still pissed about the Best Nation Game.
Also, it might be that people don't want to open the top regions by population tab and see a puppet ""storage"" region. I mean, there are big puppet storage regions on the top regions page, but at least those puppets have a purpose. Puppet not justified = Puppet need not exist.
by Honeydewistania » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:00 pm
Chicken Overlords already takes longer than any region to update, which is kind of ridiculous for the r/d scene
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by Parhe » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:03 pm
by Quebecshire » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:05 pm
Parhe wrote:There is no such thing as a puppet that exists for no reason.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Parhe » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:12 pm
Quebecshire wrote:Limiting UCRs would be a terrible idea.Parhe wrote:There is no such thing as a puppet that exists for no reason.
Yes, there is. Puppets can be used for events (N-Day, card farming, raiding/defending, etc) but Chicken Overlords openly admits its sole purpose is to be the "largest" region in the game. That is literally just inflating itself with useless puppets (harming the game for everyone else) for their own weird goal.
by WayNeacTia » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:00 pm
Quebecshire wrote:Limiting UCRs would be a terrible idea.Parhe wrote:There is no such thing as a puppet that exists for no reason.
Yes, there is. Puppets can be used for events (N-Day, card farming, raiding/defending, etc) but Chicken Overlords openly admits its sole purpose is to be the "largest" region in the game. That is literally just inflating itself with useless puppets (harming the game for everyone else) for their own weird goal.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by Quebecshire » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:08 pm
Wayneactia wrote:[Nice to see “good faith” decided to take a leap out of a window. “I don’t like something, so let’s invent some fake technical drama about it”. The creativity of it all never fails to amaze me.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Jar Wattinree » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:37 pm
Quebecshire wrote:Wayneactia wrote:[Nice to see “good faith” decided to take a leap out of a window. “I don’t like something, so let’s invent some fake technical drama about it”. The creativity of it all never fails to amaze me.
Wayne, it's fairly easy to see the impacts of Chicken Overlords on the site's health. It is entirely possible to have either a sympathetic or critical opinion of Chicken Overlords whilst acknowledging its impacts on the site, its health, and the implications of allowing what is clearly a form of spam.
by Galiantus III » Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:38 pm
Parhe wrote:Existing to inflate a region isn't useless. You just don't think it is important. I mean, this is just a game, it doesn't like seem more of a waste of time or resources then the other purposes for puppets.
Frisbeeteria wrote:For some reason I have a mental image of a dolphin, trying to organize a new pod of his fellow dolphins to change the course of a nuclear sub. It's entertaining, I'll give ya that.
Ballotonia wrote:Testing is for sissies. The actual test is to see how many people complain when any change is made ;)
by Sedgistan » Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:31 am
The Python wrote:Then what the fuck do you seek to accomplish? A puppetsweep? In that case, again, can you point me to what rule was violated?
Honeydewistania wrote:"cope"
by Haganham » Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:46 am
Comfed wrote:Bears Armed wrote:With that many nations involved, isn't there a fairly high likelihood that they're being maintained by a programme rather than manually, which would make CTEing less probable?
Almost certainly being maintained by a script that uses the autologin shard.
Which adds another idea to the pile: make api private commands not count towards CTE activity requirements
by PotatoFarmers » Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:27 am
Comfed wrote:Bears Armed wrote:With that many nations involved, isn't there a fairly high likelihood that they're being maintained by a programme rather than manually, which would make CTEing less probable?
Almost certainly being maintained by a script that uses the autologin shard.
Which adds another idea to the pile: make api private commands not count towards CTE activity requirements
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