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Violent Thugs invade Melbourne in 3rd day of Riots

Postby Cetacea » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:17 am

Violent Thugs have pelted.Protestors with rubber bullets and pepperspray in the third day of Melbourne Anti-lockdown riots.A no fly zone has been imposed on Media helicopters and the Victorian State government has permitted the use of crowd control force against anyone involved in the Protests

The protests began last week when construction workers were told they could not have breaks in tea rooms because of the risk of spreading coronavirus. It was then made compulsory for construction workers to be vaccinated which resulted in the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union calling for a public march, despite health warnings and lockdown order.

On Tuesday, pepper balls, foam baton rounds, smoke bombs and stinger grenades that deploy rubber pellets to shut down protesters. 500 additional police have been deployed to contain the dozens of protestors.

police commissioner Shane Patton said Melbourne had seen “significant unrest” over the past few days, and protesters wouldn’t be seeing any “cat and mouse” games. He “wasn’t clear” whether right-wing extremists were present on Tuesday, but was “aware” there was representation from neo-Nazi groups

So riotous rabble of NSG should the people of Victoria, Australia be allowed to protest despite the 600+ new daily cases in the state? Is the Victorian Government right to impose lockdown and deploy pepper balls and rubber bullets?? Should construction workers be allowed to get a cuppatea from the staff canteen?

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Postby Page » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:39 am

People there are being arrested just for being outside. Not doing a damn thing, simply being outside, even though it's virtually impossible to spread or catch covid just walking around. Honestly Australia has gone so North Korea lately that I think a little insurrection is well-justified.

And a no-fly zone for media helicopters? If that red flag was any bigger you could cover the whole continent with it.

And I hate to sound like a broken record, but police arresting people will spread the virus far and wide. You cannot enforce a lockdown without spreading the virus.
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Postby Mostrov » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am

They are not large protests, simply a small disgruntled group. The vast, vast majority are staying within the bounds of the law. Something not mentioned but critical to understanding this: all construction, with small exceptions, has been shut down. Builders had very poor compliance with health measures but were seen as politically crucial and important to the economy. I

Page wrote:People there are being arrested just for being outside. Not doing a damn thing, simply being outside, even though it's virtually impossible to spread or catch covid just walking around. Honestly Australia has gone so North Korea lately that I think a little insurrection is well-justified.

And a no-fly zone for media helicopters? If that red flag was any bigger you could cover the whole continent with it.

And I hate to sound like a broken record, but police arresting people will spread the virus far and wide. You cannot enforce a lockdown without spreading the virus.

No one is being arrested for "being outside".

The no-fly zone was probably to avoid any media coverage which might encourage more to join. This power is being tested in the courts.

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Postby Page » Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:54 am

Mostrov wrote:They are not large protests, simply a small disgruntled group. The vast, vast majority are staying within the bounds of the law. Something not mentioned but critical to understanding this: all construction, with small exceptions, has been shut down. Builders had very poor compliance with health measures but were seen as politically crucial and important to the economy. I

Page wrote:People there are being arrested just for being outside. Not doing a damn thing, simply being outside, even though it's virtually impossible to spread or catch covid just walking around. Honestly Australia has gone so North Korea lately that I think a little insurrection is well-justified.

And a no-fly zone for media helicopters? If that red flag was any bigger you could cover the whole continent with it.

And I hate to sound like a broken record, but police arresting people will spread the virus far and wide. You cannot enforce a lockdown without spreading the virus.

No one is being arrested for "being outside".

The no-fly zone was probably to avoid any media coverage which might encourage more to join. This power is being tested in the courts.


Dude, that is not a good justification! "Man, why are walking around in a ski mask and carrying a gun?" "Oh, I'm going to rob a bank!" That's exactly what's so messed up.
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Postby Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:11 am

First off, no, the CFMEU never authorised these riots, it was obvious when the rioters protested outside CFMEU hq as they were for the vaccine mandates. Second, it has been revealed that many of these "disgruntled workers" had rather... suspiciously clean high-vis gear on. Personally I think the acts of police haven't gone far enough, I mean let's be real, police officers were brutalising people who were protesting against such hostile actions, why not just beat these fuckers instead, "wah wah, we don't want the vaccine because some memes on Facebook said they were bad, wah wah", fucking rubber skulls
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Postby Risottia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:42 am

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:... many of these "disgruntled workers" had rather... suspiciously clean high-vis gear on.


There's a worldwide pattern of neo-nazis exploiting and directing the no-vax/no-mask movements.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:02 am

Protests shouldn’t be allowed, especially under COVID conditions.

If the Melbourne police went ahead and enforced a blanket ban on protests while enforcing such a decree with reasonable and proportionate force, it’s something I would stand behind.

Public health safety and law and order must come first.
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Postby Cedoria » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:05 am

Tommorow the cops should load their guns with vaccine shots and fire them at the crowd.

Problem solved. And no need to waste good pepper spray on Nazis that way.
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Postby Mostrov » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:14 am

Page wrote:Dude, that is not a good justification! "Man, why are walking around in a ski mask and carrying a gun?" "Oh, I'm going to rob a bank!" That's exactly what's so messed up.

While I personally think the no-fly zone (which was only for an hour) was overreach, I also suspect it will be checked.

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:First off, no, the CFMEU never authorised these riots, it was obvious when the rioters protested outside CFMEU hq as they were for the vaccine mandates. Second, it has been revealed that many of these "disgruntled workers" had rather... suspiciously clean high-vis gear on. Personally I think the acts of police haven't gone far enough, I mean let's be real, police officers were brutalising people who were protesting against such hostile actions, why not just beat these fuckers instead, "wah wah, we don't want the vaccine because some memes on Facebook said they were bad, wah wah", fucking rubber skulls

I never said they were "disgruntled workers"; yet, having had the opportunity to observe different construction sites, some union, some not, and almost no-one had much regard for health regulations: it has gotten better, but it is still far from perfect. And critically, having had the opportunity to overhear discussions between construction workers during lunchtime (my local cafe has several building sites around it), there were many anti-vax discussions. Certainly far-right provocateurs have swelled the number, but I think that some are construction workers.

Infected Mushroom wrote:Protests shouldn’t be allowed, especially under COVID conditions.

They aren't.

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Postby Page » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:48 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Protests shouldn’t be allowed, especially under COVID conditions.

If the Melbourne police went ahead and enforced a blanket ban on protests while enforcing such a decree with reasonable and proportionate force, it’s something I would stand behind.

Public health safety and law and order must come first.


Not like arresting thousands of people spreads the virus or anything...
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:16 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Protests shouldn’t be allowed, especially under COVID conditions.

Removing the latter qualification, which is an addition anyway, we are left with the base statement "Protests shouldn't be allowed". Wow. :roll:
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Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:First off, no, the CFMEU never authorised these riots, it was obvious when the rioters protested outside CFMEU hq as they were for the vaccine mandates. Second, it has been revealed that many of these "disgruntled workers" had rather... suspiciously clean high-vis gear on. Personally I think the acts of police haven't gone far enough, I mean let's be real, police officers were brutalising people who were protesting against such hostile actions, why not just beat these fuckers instead, "wah wah, we don't want the vaccine because some memes on Facebook said they were bad, wah wah", fucking rubber skulls

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:37 pm

Cedoria wrote:Tommorow the cops should load their guns with vaccine shots and fire them at the crowd.

Problem solved. And no need to waste good pepper spray on Nazis that way.

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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:43 pm

There is not one single reason for a blanket ban on protest to be justified. Not pandemic, not war, not mass unrest not natural disaster. This is never justifiable and Australia should be ashamed of itself. Never allow fear, no matter how justified, to allow for the imposition of tyranny.
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Postby Rosefort » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:51 pm

CoraSpia wrote:There is not one single reason for a blanket ban on protest to be justified. Not pandemic, not war, not mass unrest not natural disaster. This is never justifiable and Australia should be ashamed of itself. Never allow fear, no matter how justified, to allow for the imposition of tyranny.


Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.

I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas. The police force on what they've done is perfectly legal in Australia.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:53 pm

Rosefort wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:There is not one single reason for a blanket ban on protest to be justified. Not pandemic, not war, not mass unrest not natural disaster. This is never justifiable and Australia should be ashamed of itself. Never allow fear, no matter how justified, to allow for the imposition of tyranny.


Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.

I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas.

Just to be clear, although I don’t agree with what they are protesting about, if the government has to “approve” your protest, you do not have a right to protest. I hope you don’t think you actually have the right to protest now.
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Postby Rosefort » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:59 pm

Galloism wrote:
Rosefort wrote:
Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.

I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas.

Just to be clear, although I don’t agree with what they are protesting about, if the government has to “approve” your protest, you do not have a right to protest. I hope you don’t think you actually have the right to protest now.


Legally speaking in normal circumstances, you can BUT due to the current issue that's going around, yeah, it's just that.

But I do like to point out that here, in Melbourne, you don't generally need permission from the City of Melbourne to conduct a demonstration, rally or protest or other form of public assembly.

However, they would like to hear about it so they can plan for impacts to parks, public places, streets and footpaths and notify affected businesses and services. Don't forget that Victoria is still in a STATE OF EMERGENCY. While Victoria’s Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities protects protest rights, these rights may be lawfully limited in a state of emergency.

Once a state of emergency is declared, the Chief Health Officer (CHO) has emergency powers under section 199(2) of the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 to issue orders preventing a serious risk to public health. Victoria’s Health Minister first declared a state of emergency to combat COVID-19 on 16 March 2020, and Victoria has been subject to a state of emergency ever since. Any protest activity should and must comply with the public health directions in place at any given time.

Whilst the directions do not expressly make it unlawful to protest, it is unlawful to gather publicly under the Stay at Home Directions unless an exception. It is also unlawful to publicly gather in groups of more than 10 under the Stay Safe Directions, unless an exception applies or the gathering falls within the permitted activities in the Restricted Activity Directions.

The CHO is empowered to issue these directions but, as a public authority under the Charter, the CHO must also act consistently with the human rights in the Charter. This means that any restrictions on human rights in the CHO’s directions need to be justified, proportionate, necessary and timebound.

The current directions state that their purpose is to address the serious public health risk posed to the state of Victoria by the spread of COVID-19 and that the directions are reasonably necessary to eliminate or reduce the serious risk posed to public health.
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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:00 pm

Rosefort wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:There is not one single reason for a blanket ban on protest to be justified. Not pandemic, not war, not mass unrest not natural disaster. This is never justifiable and Australia should be ashamed of itself. Never allow fear, no matter how justified, to allow for the imposition of tyranny.


Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.

I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas. The police force on what they've done is perfectly legal in Australia.

It doesn't matter who approved your protest and who didn't, or whether you thought the protest was suitably respectful.
To be clear, these people could have been protesting about the right to carry AK47s in primary schools, or they could have been protesting about the right to wear roses in their hair. I don't care what it's about in the slightest. The place where they were protesting could have whatever covid rate that you want to propose; still don't care.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:02 pm

Rosefort wrote:
Galloism wrote:Just to be clear, although I don’t agree with what they are protesting about, if the government has to “approve” your protest, you do not have a right to protest. I hope you don’t think you actually have the right to protest now.


Legally speaking in normal circumstances, you can BUT due to the current issue that's going around, yeah, it's just that.

<snippy irrelevant legal stuff>


Yes, like I said. You don’t have the right to protest. You are allowed to protest if the government says they don’t mind.
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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:03 pm

Galloism wrote:
Rosefort wrote:
Legally speaking in normal circumstances, you can BUT due to the current issue that's going around, yeah, it's just that.

<snippy irrelevant legal stuff>


Yes, like I said. You don’t have the right to protest. You are allowed to protest if the government says they don’t mind.

This is the difference between what the law says and what's right.
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Postby Rosefort » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:04 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
Rosefort wrote:
Uh? So their 'protest' was justified even though many were showing inappropriate behaviour towards the vaccine workers and breaching COVID-19 rules that are in place? Here in Australia, we've had cases increase rapidly, especially today, we've reached 700-something cases in Victoria, and you're telling me that the ban on 'protest' is not justified? The whole 'protest' was wholly not endorsed by the trades union, nor did the government approve this farce, for reasons as we know. Secondly, what they've done (the 'protesters') in the ANZAC memorial shrine was frankly despicable behaviour, and they should be ashamed of themselves for attending such a site for their political agenda.

I do not understand why people inject their view and proclaim that the Victorian State is a nanny state... Like what Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 said earlier in this thread, is very much correct as well as Mostrov in certain areas. The police force on what they've done is perfectly legal in Australia.

It doesn't matter who approved your protest and who didn't, or whether you thought the protest was suitably respectful.
To be clear, these people could have been protesting about the right to carry AK47s in primary schools, or they could have been protesting about the right to wear roses in their hair. I don't care what it's about in the slightest. The place where they were protesting could have whatever covid rate that you want to propose; still don't care.
The right to protest about the actions of your government is one that is intrinsic in a democratic society. It is not something that a government should have the ability to turn on and shut off like a driver with a car, nor is it one that they have any business regulating.


Check the above post in matters of the topic I've pointed out...

1) How are guns related to this topic...?

2) As for the 'right to protest', our state is still under the State of Emergency, and we've had cases increasing because of the disgruntled workers/or whatever you call them over their nonsense... As for whether the government has the right, frankly, it's a given delegated power, and will only be applied when it is necessary at times such as this.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm

Rosefort wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:It doesn't matter who approved your protest and who didn't, or whether you thought the protest was suitably respectful.
To be clear, these people could have been protesting about the right to carry AK47s in primary schools, or they could have been protesting about the right to wear roses in their hair. I don't care what it's about in the slightest. The place where they were protesting could have whatever covid rate that you want to propose; still don't care.
The right to protest about the actions of your government is one that is intrinsic in a democratic society. It is not something that a government should have the ability to turn on and shut off like a driver with a car, nor is it one that they have any business regulating.


Check the above post in matters of the topic I've pointed out...

1) How are guns related to this topic...?

2) As for the 'right to protest', our state is still under the State of Emergency, and we've had cases increasing because of the disgruntled workers/or whatever you call them over their nonsense... As for whether the government has the right, frankly, it's a given delegated power, and will only be applied when it is necessary at times such as this.

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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm

Rosefort wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:It doesn't matter who approved your protest and who didn't, or whether you thought the protest was suitably respectful.
To be clear, these people could have been protesting about the right to carry AK47s in primary schools, or they could have been protesting about the right to wear roses in their hair. I don't care what it's about in the slightest. The place where they were protesting could have whatever covid rate that you want to propose; still don't care.
The right to protest about the actions of your government is one that is intrinsic in a democratic society. It is not something that a government should have the ability to turn on and shut off like a driver with a car, nor is it one that they have any business regulating.


Check the above post in matters of the topic I've pointed out...

1) How are guns related to this topic...?

2) As for the 'right to protest', our state is still under the State of Emergency, and we've had cases increasing because of the disgruntled workers/or whatever you call them over their nonsense... As for whether the government has the right, frankly, it's a given delegated power, and will only be applied when it is necessary at times such as this.

1) They're not, it was an extreme position suitably employed to suggest how any protest is covered by my statement.
2) I honestly don't care. State of emergency, invasion in progress, whatever. If your government can decide when you can protest, you don't have a right to protest.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:09 pm

Getting permission from the entity you're protesting seems counter-intuitive. There are other ways to talk to them if you don't want to be as provocative as what an protest tries to be.

That being said these anti-vaxs should be dealt harshly in other venues than protesting and the laws should be changed to reflect that.
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