[DRAFT #1] Declaration on Equality and Inclusion

by **WayNeacTia** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:51 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
The Tinhamptonian Empire wrote:I am Tinhampton. To clarify that I will be using this nation to participate in the World Assembly should Tinhampton ever be ejected from it.

Now I'm wondering if I should add an Article "e. CLARIFIES that this Declaration encourages regions as well as nations to act, and would be illegal if submitted to the General Assembly for that reason"

Do you really think your main nation will be ejected?

They haven’t ejected any nations in years for that shit.

by **Refuge Isle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:56 am

Summerforest wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:At some point, and a string of failures which will reach the double-digits by years end, perhaps it should be considered an equivalent offence to spam the queue with legal proposals.

Right, because nevermind that this is a game people play to have fun in their free time and to try their hand at new things, and so obviously will not always be successful. No, let us instead punish everyone we don't like and because they don't display excellence and perfection right from the start. You accuse Tinhampton of posting this with egotistical motives, yet you forgot to look in the mirror when writing this part of your post.

This is Tinhampton's 37th draft thread in the last three months.

My comments referenced the author's jell-o shotgun strategy. The factuality of such cannot be denied.

by **Sedgistan** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:16 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:At some point, and a string of failures which will reach the double-digits by years end, perhaps it should be considered an equivalent offence to spam the queue with legal proposals.

In case it is in any doubt, the above is not going to happen. Tinhampton's WA proposal submissions does not constitute spam.

by **Summerforest** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:39 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:This is Tinhampton's 37th draft thread in the last three months.

3 Months:

[DRAFT #1] [SERIOUS BUT DRYWITTED] Condemn Chicken Overlords
[DRAFT #1] World Assembly Mobile Roaming Zone
[DRAFT #1] Declaration on Equality and Diversity
[SUBMITTED] Repeal SC#246 "Liberate Nazi Europa"
[SILENTLY ABANDONED!] Repeal SC#242 "Commend Texas"
[DRAFT #1b] Declaration on Counter-Campaigns
[DRAFT #1] Prohibiting Trade in Sapients
[DRAFT #2] Peace and Sustainable Development
[ON HOLD - NOT ABANDONED] Ceremony Liberalisation Compact
[DRAFT #1] [GA#247 SUB?] Fairness for Victims of Crime
[DRAFT #1] NPI Blocker
[DRAFT #1b] Transgender Self-Determination
[DRAFT #1b] Access to International Events
[NOMINALLY ON HOLD] Right to Adequate Housing
[DRAFT #1b] ISDS Ban
[DRAFT #2] Freedom of Opinion and Belief
[DRAFT #2] Development Aid for Peace
[DRAFT #1] Advancing Sexual Privacy
[DRAFT #2] Tuition Fee Justice Act
[ABANDONED] Nonpartisanship in Education
[DEFEATED] World Assembly Peace Prize
[LAST CALL?] Declaration on the Right to Self-Determination
[PASSED] Repeal GA#221 "On Multilateral Trade Talks"
[DRAFT #1] Promotion of Compliance Act
[ON HOLD... BUT NOT FOREVER] Animal Sentience
[DRAFT #1b] Protecting Climate Change Refugees
[DRAFT #1b] [GA#285 SUB] Pro-Choice Assisted Dying Compact
[DRAFT #1c] Firearm Permit Reciprocity
[ABANDONED] Condemn Rughzhenhaide
[PASSED] Repeal GA#437 "Ban on Conversion Therapy"
[PASSED] End Conversion Therapy
[DRAFT #1] Fair Conscription Act
[DRAFT #4d] Protecting the Right to Vote
[DRAFT #2b] Against Discrimination in Employment
[DRAFT #1] Right to Disconnect
[DRAFT #3] End Corporal Punishment
[DRAFT #1e] LEO Force Restrictions

69 drafts in the last year, 33% success rate:

[DRAFT #2c] Nutritional Freedom Compact
[DRAFT #1] [TASK FORCE RONALDO] Repeal GA#527 "Protected WL"
[DRAFT #1c] [HAIL HYDRA!] Scientific Freedom Guarantee
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#88 "WA Numeration and Units Act"
[DEFEATED] Fairness in Elections
[DRAFT #1d] [HAIL HYDRA!] Accurate Food Labelling Compact
[BINNED/VENKMAN SUSPENDED] Decriminalisation of homelessness
[DRAFT #4b] [GA#527 SUB] Paid Leave Guarantee
[DRAFT #1] Disease Relief Across Borders
[LEGALITY CHALLENGE] Reg's on the Integrity of Genetic Data
[ABANDONED] Declaration against Racism in Sport
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#473 "Responsible Land Management"
[DRAFT #1] Commend Farnhamia
[DEFEATED] Corporal Punishment Ban
[DRAFT #1] Welfare Equity Compact
[DRAFT #1] Repeal GA#537 "Right to Assemble"
[DEFEATED] Protecting Convicted Voters
[PASSED] Repeal GA#419 "Voting Equality for Freed Inmates"
[DRAFT #1] Minimising Gender Stereotypes in Dictionaries
[ON HOLD] Commend Honeydewistania (Yghrhrhr 58)
[DRAFT #1] Ending Violence In Politics
[DRAFT #1] Self-Defence Education Compact
[DRAFT #1] Condemn Northern Borland... again???
[FROZEN - MAY NEVER BE REHEATED] Repeal GA#443 "PtEoI"
[ABANDONED] Commend Ankh-Morpork Founder (Gradea)
[ON HOLD - see Qvait's M.D.P.B] Protecting Sapient Life II
[DEFEATED] Protecting Sapient Life
[DEFEATED] Freedom of dress
[INQUORATE] Repeal GA#498 "Ban on Forced Blood Sports" (*)
[DRAFT #1] For The Innocent (co-author: Tezikstan)
[DRAFT #1d] [#OrangeTheWorld] Femicide Prevention Compact
[DRAFT #2] Repeal SC#325 "Liberate Syria"

Of multi-time authors in the last six years, only Shrew and Joco have worse rates.

My comments referenced the author's jell-o shotgun strategy. The factuality of such cannot be denied.

Right, because enthusiasm, creativity and a fervour to write and work on projects are horrible and condemnable practices. How could I ever forget.

This is exactly why people continuously describe the WA as a toxic environment. Tinhampton has a lot of ideas and chooses to put in time and effort to work on them. If that is how she chooses to spend her free time, what could possibly be wrong with that? You're gatekeeping, gatekeeping people from having fun in a literal game (which is supposed to bring people enjoyment) because you don't like that they are having fun. If you don't want to engage with Tinhampton's work, then you literally can ignore it, no matter how many threads or projects there are. If it bothers you that people are trying to have fun in their free time while playing this game, then don't engage with what they do. Let people play and enjoy this game in the way that they want. If they break the rules or show problematic behaviour, we have moderators to deal with that.

by **Hulldom** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:45 pm

Summerforest wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:This is Tinhampton's 37th draft thread in the last three months.

3 Months:

[DRAFT #1] [SERIOUS BUT DRYWITTED] Condemn Chicken Overlords
[DRAFT #1] World Assembly Mobile Roaming Zone
[DRAFT #1] Declaration on Equality and Diversity
[SUBMITTED] Repeal SC#246 "Liberate Nazi Europa"
[SILENTLY ABANDONED!] Repeal SC#242 "Commend Texas"
[DRAFT #1b] Declaration on Counter-Campaigns
[DRAFT #1] Prohibiting Trade in Sapients
[DRAFT #2] Peace and Sustainable Development
[ON HOLD - NOT ABANDONED] Ceremony Liberalisation Compact
[DRAFT #1] [GA#247 SUB?] Fairness for Victims of Crime
[DRAFT #1] NPI Blocker
[DRAFT #1b] Transgender Self-Determination
[DRAFT #1b] Access to International Events
[NOMINALLY ON HOLD] Right to Adequate Housing
[DRAFT #1b] ISDS Ban
[DRAFT #2] Freedom of Opinion and Belief
[DRAFT #2] Development Aid for Peace
[DRAFT #1] Advancing Sexual Privacy
[DRAFT #2] Tuition Fee Justice Act
[ABANDONED] Nonpartisanship in Education
[DEFEATED] World Assembly Peace Prize
[LAST CALL?] Declaration on the Right to Self-Determination
[PASSED] Repeal GA#221 "On Multilateral Trade Talks"
[DRAFT #1] Promotion of Compliance Act
[ON HOLD... BUT NOT FOREVER] Animal Sentience
[DRAFT #1b] Protecting Climate Change Refugees
[DRAFT #1b] [GA#285 SUB] Pro-Choice Assisted Dying Compact
[DRAFT #1c] Firearm Permit Reciprocity
[ABANDONED] Condemn Rughzhenhaide
[PASSED] Repeal GA#437 "Ban on Conversion Therapy"
[PASSED] End Conversion Therapy
[DRAFT #1] Fair Conscription Act
[DRAFT #4d] Protecting the Right to Vote
[DRAFT #2b] Against Discrimination in Employment
[DRAFT #1] Right to Disconnect
[DRAFT #3] End Corporal Punishment
[DRAFT #1e] LEO Force Restrictions

69 drafts in the last year, 33% success rate:

[DRAFT #2c] Nutritional Freedom Compact
[DRAFT #1] [TASK FORCE RONALDO] Repeal GA#527 "Protected WL"
[DRAFT #1c] [HAIL HYDRA!] Scientific Freedom Guarantee
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#88 "WA Numeration and Units Act"
[DEFEATED] Fairness in Elections
[DRAFT #1d] [HAIL HYDRA!] Accurate Food Labelling Compact
[BINNED/VENKMAN SUSPENDED] Decriminalisation of homelessness
[DRAFT #4b] [GA#527 SUB] Paid Leave Guarantee
[DRAFT #1] Disease Relief Across Borders
[LEGALITY CHALLENGE] Reg's on the Integrity of Genetic Data
[ABANDONED] Declaration against Racism in Sport
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#473 "Responsible Land Management"
[DRAFT #1] Commend Farnhamia
[DEFEATED] Corporal Punishment Ban
[DRAFT #1] Welfare Equity Compact
[DRAFT #1] Repeal GA#537 "Right to Assemble"
[DEFEATED] Protecting Convicted Voters
[PASSED] Repeal GA#419 "Voting Equality for Freed Inmates"
[DRAFT #1] Minimising Gender Stereotypes in Dictionaries
[ON HOLD] Commend Honeydewistania (Yghrhrhr 58)
[DRAFT #1] Ending Violence In Politics
[DRAFT #1] Self-Defence Education Compact
[DRAFT #1] Condemn Northern Borland... again???
[FROZEN - MAY NEVER BE REHEATED] Repeal GA#443 "PtEoI"
[ABANDONED] Commend Ankh-Morpork Founder (Gradea)
[ON HOLD - see Qvait's M.D.P.B] Protecting Sapient Life II
[DEFEATED] Protecting Sapient Life
[DEFEATED] Freedom of dress
[INQUORATE] Repeal GA#498 "Ban on Forced Blood Sports" (*)
[DRAFT #1] For The Innocent (co-author: Tezikstan)
[DRAFT #1d] [#OrangeTheWorld] Femicide Prevention Compact
[DRAFT #2] Repeal SC#325 "Liberate Syria"

Of multi-time authors in the last six years, only Shrew and Joco have worse rates.

My comments referenced the author's jell-o shotgun strategy. The factuality of such cannot be denied.

Right, because enthusiasm, creativity and a fervour to write and work on projects are horrible and condemnable practices. How could I ever forget.

This is exactly why people continuously describe the WA as a toxic environment. Tinhampton has a lot of ideas and chooses to put in time and effort to work on them. If that is how she chooses to spend her free time, what could possibly be wrong with that? You're gatekeeping, gatekeeping people from having fun in a literal game (which is supposed to bring people enjoyment) because you don't like that they are having fun. If you don't want to engage with Tinhampton's work, then you literally can ignore it, no matter how many threads or projects there are. If it bothers you that people are trying to have fun in their free time while playing this game, then don't engage with what they do. Let people play and enjoy this game in the way that they want. If they break the rules or show problematic behaviour, we have moderators to deal with that.

As much as I often vehemently disagree with Tinhampton's behavior and the sheer amount of stuff she produces, I have to agree with Summerforest here. If this is how she chooses to spend her time, as long as she's following the rules, there's nothing we can do about that. Nothing says we have to engage with her work (and anymore I rarely do).

While I would hope that she would consider and reflect on what causes her proposals to fail, though she has been on a bit of a winning streak lately, she's not breaking rules by continually creating a bunch of new drafts, she's just irking many of us. Which, while regrettable, is not exactly against the rules.

by **Refuge Isle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:04 pm

Summerforest wrote:You're gatekeeping, gatekeeping people from having fun in a literal game (which is supposed to bring people enjoyment) because you don't like that they are having fun. If you don't want to engage with Tinhampton's work, then you literally can ignore it, no matter how many threads or projects there are.

I have no power to "gatekeep" Tinhampton or her many, many endeavours. Just as she has no power to avoid the political consequences of her playstyle.

This is a game about politics and if you're expecting responses to such political manoeuvrers to be universally positive, burnout is going to hit you like a brick, Daarwyrth. Resolutions are passed or defeated on a variety of grounds, from author conduct, to draft content, to political effect of resolutions potentially passed. I have made these same comments to you when you sought my opinion before. Proposals are ultimately decided by the opinion of twenty thousand players and their respective delegates. As much as I enjoy the WA Elite/fun police conspiracy, a series of low-effort drafts, rapid fired throughout a short timespan, is much more influential than any critique made here.

I have offered my opinion on the mechanical construction -- that it is relatively devoid of content and that the Security Council is an incorrect format for the draft proposal, as it does not relate to the GP sphere.

Hulldom wrote:Nothing says we have to engage with her work (and anymore I rarely do).

I don't believe I complained of being required to engage. I feel relatively obligated to vote, however, as I have for every day I have been on NS. That vote is derived from a variety of reasons and sources. By the numbers, my methodology is almost exclusively on mechanical grounds, the likes of which I often assess drafts on this forum. In this case, the author's historical inclination towards low-quality proposals designed to chase populism is also a component, as it leads to content that isn't up to muster and cannot stand the test of time.

Can we envision a draft like this being on the books in a year, five years, etc? It would be unlikely, especially with the perpetual scrutiny towards resolutions passed in the SC's infancy as being too light of content for 2021.

by **Outer Sparta** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:10 pm

Summerforest wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:This is Tinhampton's 37th draft thread in the last three months.

3 Months:

[DRAFT #1] [SERIOUS BUT DRYWITTED] Condemn Chicken Overlords
[DRAFT #1] World Assembly Mobile Roaming Zone
[DRAFT #1] Declaration on Equality and Diversity
[SUBMITTED] Repeal SC#246 "Liberate Nazi Europa"
[SILENTLY ABANDONED!] Repeal SC#242 "Commend Texas"
[DRAFT #1b] Declaration on Counter-Campaigns
[DRAFT #1] Prohibiting Trade in Sapients
[DRAFT #2] Peace and Sustainable Development
[ON HOLD - NOT ABANDONED] Ceremony Liberalisation Compact
[DRAFT #1] [GA#247 SUB?] Fairness for Victims of Crime
[DRAFT #1] NPI Blocker
[DRAFT #1b] Transgender Self-Determination
[DRAFT #1b] Access to International Events
[NOMINALLY ON HOLD] Right to Adequate Housing
[DRAFT #1b] ISDS Ban
[DRAFT #2] Freedom of Opinion and Belief
[DRAFT #2] Development Aid for Peace
[DRAFT #1] Advancing Sexual Privacy
[DRAFT #2] Tuition Fee Justice Act
[ABANDONED] Nonpartisanship in Education
[DEFEATED] World Assembly Peace Prize
[LAST CALL?] Declaration on the Right to Self-Determination
[PASSED] Repeal GA#221 "On Multilateral Trade Talks"
[DRAFT #1] Promotion of Compliance Act
[ON HOLD... BUT NOT FOREVER] Animal Sentience
[DRAFT #1b] Protecting Climate Change Refugees
[DRAFT #1b] [GA#285 SUB] Pro-Choice Assisted Dying Compact
[DRAFT #1c] Firearm Permit Reciprocity
[ABANDONED] Condemn Rughzhenhaide
[PASSED] Repeal GA#437 "Ban on Conversion Therapy"
[PASSED] End Conversion Therapy
[DRAFT #1] Fair Conscription Act
[DRAFT #4d] Protecting the Right to Vote
[DRAFT #2b] Against Discrimination in Employment
[DRAFT #1] Right to Disconnect
[DRAFT #3] End Corporal Punishment
[DRAFT #1e] LEO Force Restrictions

69 drafts in the last year, 33% success rate:

[DRAFT #2c] Nutritional Freedom Compact
[DRAFT #1] [TASK FORCE RONALDO] Repeal GA#527 "Protected WL"
[DRAFT #1c] [HAIL HYDRA!] Scientific Freedom Guarantee
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#88 "WA Numeration and Units Act"
[DEFEATED] Fairness in Elections
[DRAFT #1d] [HAIL HYDRA!] Accurate Food Labelling Compact
[BINNED/VENKMAN SUSPENDED] Decriminalisation of homelessness
[DRAFT #4b] [GA#527 SUB] Paid Leave Guarantee
[DRAFT #1] Disease Relief Across Borders
[LEGALITY CHALLENGE] Reg's on the Integrity of Genetic Data
[ABANDONED] Declaration against Racism in Sport
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#473 "Responsible Land Management"
[DRAFT #1] Commend Farnhamia
[DEFEATED] Corporal Punishment Ban
[DRAFT #1] Welfare Equity Compact
[DRAFT #1] Repeal GA#537 "Right to Assemble"
[DEFEATED] Protecting Convicted Voters
[PASSED] Repeal GA#419 "Voting Equality for Freed Inmates"
[DRAFT #1] Minimising Gender Stereotypes in Dictionaries
[ON HOLD] Commend Honeydewistania (Yghrhrhr 58)
[DRAFT #1] Ending Violence In Politics
[DRAFT #1] Self-Defence Education Compact
[DRAFT #1] Condemn Northern Borland... again???
[FROZEN - MAY NEVER BE REHEATED] Repeal GA#443 "PtEoI"
[ABANDONED] Commend Ankh-Morpork Founder (Gradea)
[ON HOLD - see Qvait's M.D.P.B] Protecting Sapient Life II
[DEFEATED] Protecting Sapient Life
[DEFEATED] Freedom of dress
[INQUORATE] Repeal GA#498 "Ban on Forced Blood Sports" (*)
[DRAFT #1] For The Innocent (co-author: Tezikstan)
[DRAFT #1d] [#OrangeTheWorld] Femicide Prevention Compact
[DRAFT #2] Repeal SC#325 "Liberate Syria"

Of multi-time authors in the last six years, only Shrew and Joco have worse rates.

My comments referenced the author's jell-o shotgun strategy. The factuality of such cannot be denied.

Right, because enthusiasm, creativity and a fervour to write and work on projects are horrible and condemnable practices. How could I ever forget.

This is exactly why people continuously describe the WA as a toxic environment. Tinhampton has a lot of ideas and chooses to put in time and effort to work on them. If that is how she chooses to spend her free time, what could possibly be wrong with that? You're gatekeeping, gatekeeping people from having fun in a literal game (which is supposed to bring people enjoyment) because you don't like that they are having fun. If you don't want to engage with Tinhampton's work, then you literally can ignore it, no matter how many threads or projects there are. If it bothers you that people are trying to have fun in their free time while playing this game, then don't engage with what they do. Let people play and enjoy this game in the way that they want. If they break the rules or show problematic behaviour, we have moderators to deal with that.

I doubt the WA is that toxic compared to your description. Making a lot of proposals isn't illegal, but you do have to call out someone if they keep on making the same low quality resolutions over and over. Tinhampton doesn't necessarily make crappy ones, but I don't feel this declaration is particularly necessary, which with someone having a large number of ideas, you get a good bunch that aren't necessary like this one. My points I made earlier regarding the resolution still hold true.

by **WayNeacTia** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:24 pm

Summerforest wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:This is Tinhampton's 37th draft thread in the last three months.

3 Months:

[DRAFT #1] [SERIOUS BUT DRYWITTED] Condemn Chicken Overlords
[DRAFT #1] World Assembly Mobile Roaming Zone
[DRAFT #1] Declaration on Equality and Diversity
[SUBMITTED] Repeal SC#246 "Liberate Nazi Europa"
[SILENTLY ABANDONED!] Repeal SC#242 "Commend Texas"
[DRAFT #1b] Declaration on Counter-Campaigns
[DRAFT #1] Prohibiting Trade in Sapients
[DRAFT #2] Peace and Sustainable Development
[ON HOLD - NOT ABANDONED] Ceremony Liberalisation Compact
[DRAFT #1] [GA#247 SUB?] Fairness for Victims of Crime
[DRAFT #1] NPI Blocker
[DRAFT #1b] Transgender Self-Determination
[DRAFT #1b] Access to International Events
[NOMINALLY ON HOLD] Right to Adequate Housing
[DRAFT #1b] ISDS Ban
[DRAFT #2] Freedom of Opinion and Belief
[DRAFT #2] Development Aid for Peace
[DRAFT #1] Advancing Sexual Privacy
[DRAFT #2] Tuition Fee Justice Act
[ABANDONED] Nonpartisanship in Education
[DEFEATED] World Assembly Peace Prize
[LAST CALL?] Declaration on the Right to Self-Determination
[PASSED] Repeal GA#221 "On Multilateral Trade Talks"
[DRAFT #1] Promotion of Compliance Act
[ON HOLD... BUT NOT FOREVER] Animal Sentience
[DRAFT #1b] Protecting Climate Change Refugees
[DRAFT #1b] [GA#285 SUB] Pro-Choice Assisted Dying Compact
[DRAFT #1c] Firearm Permit Reciprocity
[ABANDONED] Condemn Rughzhenhaide
[PASSED] Repeal GA#437 "Ban on Conversion Therapy"
[PASSED] End Conversion Therapy
[DRAFT #1] Fair Conscription Act
[DRAFT #4d] Protecting the Right to Vote
[DRAFT #2b] Against Discrimination in Employment
[DRAFT #1] Right to Disconnect
[DRAFT #3] End Corporal Punishment
[DRAFT #1e] LEO Force Restrictions

69 drafts in the last year, 33% success rate:

[DRAFT #2c] Nutritional Freedom Compact
[DRAFT #1] [TASK FORCE RONALDO] Repeal GA#527 "Protected WL"
[DRAFT #1c] [HAIL HYDRA!] Scientific Freedom Guarantee
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#88 "WA Numeration and Units Act"
[DEFEATED] Fairness in Elections
[DRAFT #1d] [HAIL HYDRA!] Accurate Food Labelling Compact
[BINNED/VENKMAN SUSPENDED] Decriminalisation of homelessness
[DRAFT #4b] [GA#527 SUB] Paid Leave Guarantee
[DRAFT #1] Disease Relief Across Borders
[LEGALITY CHALLENGE] Reg's on the Integrity of Genetic Data
[ABANDONED] Declaration against Racism in Sport
[DRAFT #1b] Repeal GA#473 "Responsible Land Management"
[DRAFT #1] Commend Farnhamia
[DEFEATED] Corporal Punishment Ban
[DRAFT #1] Welfare Equity Compact
[DRAFT #1] Repeal GA#537 "Right to Assemble"
[DEFEATED] Protecting Convicted Voters
[PASSED] Repeal GA#419 "Voting Equality for Freed Inmates"
[DRAFT #1] Minimising Gender Stereotypes in Dictionaries
[ON HOLD] Commend Honeydewistania (Yghrhrhr 58)
[DRAFT #1] Ending Violence In Politics
[DRAFT #1] Self-Defence Education Compact
[DRAFT #1] Condemn Northern Borland... again???
[FROZEN - MAY NEVER BE REHEATED] Repeal GA#443 "PtEoI"
[ABANDONED] Commend Ankh-Morpork Founder (Gradea)
[ON HOLD - see Qvait's M.D.P.B] Protecting Sapient Life II
[DEFEATED] Protecting Sapient Life
[DEFEATED] Freedom of dress
[INQUORATE] Repeal GA#498 "Ban on Forced Blood Sports" (*)
[DRAFT #1] For The Innocent (co-author: Tezikstan)
[DRAFT #1d] [#OrangeTheWorld] Femicide Prevention Compact
[DRAFT #2] Repeal SC#325 "Liberate Syria"

Of multi-time authors in the last six years, only Shrew and Joco have worse rates.

My comments referenced the author's jell-o shotgun strategy. The factuality of such cannot be denied.

Right, because enthusiasm, creativity and a fervour to write and work on projects are horrible and condemnable practices. How could I ever forget.

This is exactly why people continuously describe the WA as a toxic environment. Tinhampton has a lot of ideas and chooses to put in time and effort to work on them. If that is how she chooses to spend her free time, what could possibly be wrong with that? You're gatekeeping, gatekeeping people from having fun in a literal game (which is supposed to bring people enjoyment) because you don't like that they are having fun. If you don't want to engage with Tinhampton's work, then you literally can ignore it, no matter how many threads or projects there are. If it bothers you that people are trying to have fun in their free time while playing this game, then don't engage with what they do. Let people play and enjoy this game in the way that they want. If they break the rules or show problematic behaviour, we have moderators to deal with that.

Shall we just call it exactly what it is? A badge hunt? That is exactly what this is. I like to work with authors who can show creativity. This is just more shit splattered against the wall hoping a feel good title will fool people into voting for it. The thing is Tin is now reaping the rewards of her conduct politically as most major delegates seem to vote against her proposals simply because she is the author. Is it within the official rules? Yes. The community also has its own informal code of conduct and spamming proposals ad nauseam tends to piss people off.

by **Summerforest** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:30 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:I have no power to "gatekeep" Tinhampton or her many, many endeavours. Just as she has no power to avoid the political consequences of her playstyle.

This is a game about politics and if you're expecting responses to such political manoeuvrers to be universally positive, burnout is going to hit you like a brick, Daarwyrth.

Well, it would be quite the miracle if my expectations could go any lower than rock-bottom. I never expected sunshine and roses, yet it seems that too many people forget the fact that this is a game in the end, and all of this should be play-pretend. Because there is a difference in playing out political consequences (for example conservative legislation being opposed by progressive nations) and actually going ad hominem. Because what you describe is no longer play-pretend political consequences, but player to player hostility borne out of a conflation of play and reality.

Refuge Isle wrote:Resolutions are passed or defeated on a variety of grounds, from author conduct, to draft content, to political effect of resolutions potentially passed. I have made these same comments to you when you sought my opinion before. Proposals are ultimately decided by the opinion of twenty thousand players and their respective delegates.

If an author conducts themselves poorly and childishly, then yes, it's reasonable that should have a effect. Yet enthusiasm and simply doing a lot? That's not grounds for consequences, but it certainly can be bent and twisted into a "consequence" if a player conflates the personal with the game. I just can't find any sense in targeting someone for producing a lot of content or having a lot of ideas.

Refuge Isle wrote:As much as I enjoy the WA Elite/fun police conspiracy, a series of low-effort drafts, rapid fired throughout a short timespan, is much more influential than any critique made here.

Oh, so the North Pacific's voting power (and that of the other GCRs) must be my imagination running wild, sorry. It's not like the largest delegates can easily determine the course of a vote... but you're right, you called it a conspiracy theory so it's instantly disproven, my bad.

Wayneactia wrote:Shall we just call it exactly what it is? A badge hunt?

Get over the "badge hunt" argument already, it's bogus. Achievements and badges are a part of thousands of games and have been included into this game as well. If a player produces a draft that passes the vote, they earn the badge. So what, good for them. If a player wants to collect badges (which is literally made a part of this game) then that is perfectly fine if that is their playstyle. The "it's a badge hunt" trope is an empty criticism of a game element that's designed to function that way.

by **Great Algerstonia** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:04 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:
Summerforest wrote:You're gatekeeping, gatekeeping people from having fun in a literal game (which is supposed to bring people enjoyment) because you don't like that they are having fun. If you don't want to engage with Tinhampton's work, then you literally can ignore it, no matter how many threads or projects there are.

This is a game about politics and if you're expecting responses to such political manoeuvrers to be universally positive, burnout is going to hit you like a brick, Daarwyrth.

So politics is now making an implication that the Moderation Team should bar Tinhampton from making too many proposals, under threat of ejection from the WA? You're being ridiculous here.

by **Refuge Isle** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:07 pm

Summerforest wrote:Because there is a difference in playing out political consequences (for example conservative legislation being opposed by progressive nations) and actually going ad hominem. Because what you describe is no longer play-pretend political consequences, but player to player hostility borne out of a conflation of play and reality.

You must not look at the SC very much because this discussion is incredibly tame compared to the debates on whether or not regions get liberated, raiders get condemned, etc etc. RP writing which arguable dictates the course of events in the GA does just that, in the GA. What is X trying to do on behalf of defenderdom, what is Y trying to do on behalf of raiderdom, what are the implications of commending HEM, what are the ethics behind liberating NWA to be raided, what are we effectively doing by recognising that the General Assembly exists when it as an RP institution cannot do the same. Consider how Cormac cannot be commended or condemned because of how many people he's pissed off, consider how CCD's proposals are quorum raided to oblivion.

In the SC, there is less "pretending" of political consequences so much as just genuine political consequences, and every proposal has a political effect even if that effect is just the promotion of the author.

Summerforest wrote:Oh, so the North Pacific's voting power (and that of the other GCRs) must be my imagination running wild, sorry. It's not like the largest delegates can easily determine the course of a vote... but you're right, you called it a conspiracy theory so it's instantly disproven, my bad.

I am not a current or former delegate of The North Pacific, a current or former member of its government, or a current or former member of its citizenry. If you have an issue with TNP, I recommend you direct it at them rather than accusing someone who has never been in the region of "gatekeeping".

What an odd thing to do.

by **Great Algerstonia** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:09 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:
Summerforest wrote:Because there is a difference in playing out political consequences (for example conservative legislation being opposed by progressive nations) and actually going ad hominem. Because what you describe is no longer play-pretend political consequences, but player to player hostility borne out of a conflation of play and reality.

You must not look at the SC very much because this discussion is incredibly tame compared to the debates on whether or not regions get liberated, raiders get condemned, etc etc. RP writing which arguable dictates the course of events in the GA does just that, in the GA. What is X trying to do on behalf of defenderdom, what is Y trying to do on behalf of raiderdom, what are the implications of commending HEM, what are the ethics behind liberating NWA to be raided, what are we effectively doing by recognising that the General Assembly exists when it as an RP institution cannot do the same. Consider how Cormac cannot be commended or condemned because of how many people he's pissed off, consider how CCD's proposals are quorum raided to oblivion.

In the SC, there is less "pretending" of political consequences so much as just genuine political consequences, and every proposal has a political effect even if that effect is just the promotion of the author.

Summerforest wrote:Oh, so the North Pacific's voting power (and that of the other GCRs) must be my imagination running wild, sorry. It's not like the largest delegates can easily determine the course of a vote... but you're right, you called it a conspiracy theory so it's instantly disproven, my bad.

I am not a current or former delegate of The North Pacific, a current or former member of its government, or a current or former member of its citizenry. If you have an issue with TNP, I recommend you direct it at them rather than accusing someone who has never been in the region of "gatekeeping".

What an odd thing to do.

It's worse... nobody has ever called for ejecting a member of the World Assembly until now. Stop painting a clearly OOC message as IC politics.

by **WayNeacTia** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:12 pm

Summerforest wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Shall we just call it exactly what it is? A badge hunt?

Get over the "badge hunt" argument already, it's bogus. Achievements and badges are a part of thousands of games and have been included into this game as well. If a player produces a draft that passes the vote, they earn the badge. So what, good for them. If a player wants to collect badges (which is literally made a part of this game) then that is perfectly fine if that is their playstyle. The "it's a badge hunt" trope is an empty criticism of a game element that's designed to function that way.

Then stop posting from behind a puppet then Daarwyth. You really aren't fooling anyone.

by **Great Algerstonia** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:14 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Summerforest wrote:Get over the "badge hunt" argument already, it's bogus. Achievements and badges are a part of thousands of games and have been included into this game as well. If a player produces a draft that passes the vote, they earn the badge. So what, good for them. If a player wants to collect badges (which is literally made a part of this game) then that is perfectly fine if that is their playstyle. The "it's a badge hunt" trope is an empty criticism of a game element that's designed to function that way.

Then stop posting from behind a puppet then Daarwyth. You really aren't fooling anyone.

Summerforest is openly Daarwyrth, look at Summerforest's signature.

by **Summerforest** » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:03 am

Wayneactia wrote:Then stop posting from behind a puppet then Daarwyth. You really aren't fooling anyone.

Considering I openly state my puppets in my signature on Summerforest and Daarwyrth and even have an identical signature style to Daarwyrth's, I never made a secret of it nor intended it to be. I simply felt it more appropriate to post on a WA nation to avoid the "but you're not in the WA" argument on Daarwyrth.

Refuge Isle wrote:I am not a current or former delegate of The North Pacific, a current or former member of its government, or a current or former member of its citizenry. If you have an issue with TNP, I recommend you direct it at them rather than accusing someone who has never been in the region of "gatekeeping".

What an odd thing to do.

I have no problem with TNP. It was a counter to your "WA elite" comment, because while it is not officially an elite, a handful of delegates - the TNP delegate chief among them - wield significant influence in how a vote can or will turn out. That is what my commentary was addressing, albeit somewhat off-topic, I admit.

What I referred to with "gatekeeping" is the fact that you, among others, try to dictate what a Declaration can or can't be, how it can and can't look. Yet it is also the fact that you seemingly are trying to put a quota on how many projects someone can start. That is what my commentary of gatekeeping was referring to. That is how your arguments come across, that someone can't work on more than X amount of projects because then suddenly it becomes "attention seeking".

If Tinhampton has a lot of ideas and is passionate about bringing those projects to live, I simply don't see a reasonable argument why that would be such an offense as you make it out to be. The comment you made about introducing a rule that players should be ejected for posting X amount of proposals, that is the attempted gatekeeping I describe.

by **Tinhampton** » Fri May 20, 2022 1:31 pm

I never told you which year's September 16th I'd be submitting this on. I believe that current international attitudes to non-discrimination, including trans rights, are extremely positive on the whole.

by **Fachumonn** » Fri May 20, 2022 5:00 pm

Since Tin bumped this, I'd like to share my opinion that getting mad at someone who writes a lot of things and puts them in an online game for fun isn't cool, I don't care about the quality. Who cares if she makes a lot of proposals?

I would also like to add that the badge hunt argument is completely dumb because first: you should judge the resolution, not the motives, second: It's literally a feature of the game that works as intended, so who cares if they are literally playing the game.

by **Honeydewistania** » Fri May 20, 2022 5:50 pm

By being a declaration and useless virtue signalling, opposed

by **Quebecshire** » Fri May 20, 2022 5:55 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:By being a declaration and useless virtue signalling, opposed

Seconding this. Legislate these into GA law (if they aren't already), no point in an SC declaration for social issues that can be addressed with binding WA law.

by **Bormiar** » Fri May 20, 2022 5:57 pm

This is dumb.

by **Bhang Bhang Duc** » Fri May 20, 2022 8:01 pm

I wondered what the sound was I could hear. Then I realised it was a dead horse being flogged.

by **Fremenilia** » Fri May 20, 2022 11:52 pm

Naturally I will oppose this resolution. But why the complete radio silence for like 1/2 a year or so?

by **Tinhampton** » Sat May 21, 2022 6:14 am

Fremenilia wrote:Naturally I will oppose this resolution. But why the complete radio silence for like 1/2 a year or so?

Because I sometimes forget about my old drafts.

by **The Orwell Society** » Mon May 23, 2022 11:25 am

What would this proposal do other than gently nudge member nations towards this goal? I don't see the point of this as a declaration, I could see it as a GA proposal that actually does something other than declare it to be wrong.

by **Thousand Branches** » Mon May 23, 2022 11:42 am

If this gets submitted, you might change the name since it’s pretty similar to “Advancement of WA Diversity”

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