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Who do you believe is the rightful Carlist Claimant?

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Who do you think is the rightful carlist claimant?

-Prince Carlos, Duke of Parma (As Carlos Javier II)
6
19%
-Sixto Enrique (As Enrique V)
1
3%
-Prince Dominic (Domingo I)
1
3%
-Felipe VI
5
16%
-Louis Alphonse (No regnal name)
0
No votes
-Other
14
45%
-No one, Sixto is regent
4
13%
 
Total votes : 31

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Vana Ptang
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Postby Vana Ptang » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:19 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Me. Despite having no Spanish heritage I will claim the throne.

This is literally true, though. Monarchical claims throughout history have been guided by the core principle known as "Bigger Army DIplomacy".


Not true. First of all, I doubt you have an army, Second all modern monarchies had some sort of legal claim. Sure, the winner wasn't always the one with the stronger claim, but just because a good lawyer can win an unjust lawsuit, his client needs some argument. War was and is a way to settle a dispute.

Henry Tudor was declared King by right of conquest, but he still was related to the Plantagenets and more importantly all the Plantagenets were dead. There was no way to decide between the remaining relatives, because the rules of inheritance weren't settled.

In the case of the Spanish War of Succession, the rightful heir was blocked by war, which was almost pure realism (Austria claimed the Spanish throne with an argument that I found weak, but was still an argument.) However, the result was a family member of the heir was chosen.

Napoleon Bonaparte introduced the idea of a plebiscite to establish legitimatize his power grab. Other new monarchs have received their thrones from a legislature, the nobility, or as the result of international law. They are either members of a royal house, or leaders of the war of independence.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Nana is Spanish, right?

I nominate her.


Please, no. The Spanish royal family likes eating their own, produced the Duchess of Alba, I don’t want to marry an underage cousin with three eyes and I lack an extra long chin either way.

On the other hand, you could deliver the greatest coronation speech of all time:

"In place of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen!"
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:43 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Nana is Spanish, right?

I nominate her.


Please, no. The Spanish royal family likes eating their own, produced the Duchess of Alba, I don’t want to marry an underage cousin with three eyes and I lack an extra long chin either way.

As I understand, the Duchess of Alba was the result of a series of messed up cosmetic surgeries, not anything genetic.
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Postby Mercatus » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:00 pm

I’ll claim the throne, because only when I have achieved such can I issue a decree that officially dissolves and renders null and void the power of the throne.

No heritage at all here, I just hate monarchies.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:14 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Please, no. The Spanish royal family likes eating their own, produced the Duchess of Alba, I don’t want to marry an underage cousin with three eyes and I lack an extra long chin either way.

On the other hand, you could deliver the greatest coronation speech of all time:

"In place of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen!"


Cat queen… but you have a point.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:18 pm

Well, who’s the rightful heir according to the original Spanish royal law?

That’s why the Carlists exist in the first place.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:39 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Well, who’s the rightful heir according to the original Spanish royal law?

That’s why the Carlists exist in the first place.


One would have to go down the line to almost the Trastamaras perhaps, but even they were a bastard royal house. Perhaps check in the Portuguese royal house for the rightful heir.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:02 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Well, who’s the rightful heir according to the original Spanish royal law?

That’s why the Carlists exist in the first place.


One would have to go down the line to almost the Trastamaras perhaps, but even they were a bastard royal house. Perhaps check in the Portuguese royal house for the rightful heir.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
One would have to go down the line to almost the Trastamaras perhaps, but even they were a bastard royal house. Perhaps check in the Portuguese royal house for the rightful heir.

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:52 pm

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