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Marshal Pilsudski
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Apparent throttling(?) of manual recruitment TGs

Postby Marshal Pilsudski » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:53 am

I decided to manually send a test regional recruitment TG to a newly-created puppet of mine to make sure everything worked fine and 30 minutes later it isn't in the new nation's inbox although many other recruitment TGs have gone through. My understanding (which could be wrong since I'm returning to NS after several years) is that recruitment TGs sent using stamps or the API were somewhat throttled to reduce flooding new nations with TGs, but that manually-sent TGs were exempt from this because manual recruitment is generally at a disadvantage to automated methods.

Is some kind of throttling the reason my TG wasn't received or is there some other explanation? Is there a way I can ensure that recruitment TGs go through successfully in the future? It is frustrating to see them fail to be delivered when ones sent using automation go through fine; which gives a significant advantage to regions with members who are either willing to spend RL money on stamps or have the technical prowess to use the API.

EDIT: The TG was finally delivered 56 minutes after it was sent. Is there a reason for this long of a delay?
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Postby Galiantus III » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:54 am

I don't know if this is related, but I have recently sent out several manual telegrams with very slight differences. I've noticed that in the first 50-100 telegrams I tend to have a high conversion rate (the worst I saw at that point was 2%), then beyond that it plummets. None of my manual telegrams have done poorly at the beginning, only later after I have sent like 500 of the same template. Based on what I know of how the system is supposed to work, there should be no throttling, but based on what I've seen recently I'm questioning whether that is the case. To me it would seem that newer templates are being favored over old ones in some way, and there is an advantage to be had in creating a new template every 100 telegrams sent. I don't think this is intentional, but I'm increasingly convinced something is messing with manual recruiting. I'm considering doing a test just to verify what I'm seeing.
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Postby Merni » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 pm

To the OP:
All types of recruitment telegram go through the queue for the respective type (stamp, API, manual) before delivery. See here:
Sedgistan wrote:When a recruitment telegram is sent, it goes into one of three queues: the Stamp queue, the API queue and the Manual queue. Delivery is rotated between these queues to give each an equal chance. Your anecdotal evidence is just that.

Because almost no-one send manual recruitment TGs (less than a hundred sent in the last week), they are much more likely to be amongst the first-received telegrams compared to Stamps/API-sent recruitment telegrams, because there likely isn't anyone ahead of you in that queue.

Usually manual recruitment is not widely used, and hence there is little delay for them to be delivered. I don't know if for whatever reason the manual queue was (much) fuller than usual at the time you tested it -- a mod can probably confirm this if so. (You can also check the current status of the various queues using the "tgqueue" shard of the World API.)
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:57 am

I'd like to +1 this. I brought it up a month ago and there seemed to be a number of strange occurrences around that too. viewtopic.php?f=15&t=507311

Can someone please actually look at the telegram system to see what's going on?

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Postby Marshal Pilsudski » Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:38 am

Thanks for the responses. I'm still confused as to why my TG took 56 minutes to send. The manual queue hasn't been anywhere close to as full as either the API or stamps queues recently. Why is it that dozens of API and stamps TGs came through before my manual one did? It seems like the system is more opaque than it appears at first sight; could an admin or mod look into this?

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Postby Marshal Pilsudski » Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:31 am

If the admins are unable or unwilling to clarify this situation further it would be nice if they could at least let me know that.


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