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[MISSED QUEUE] Liberate Sparrow (by Bradfordsborough)

Postby Jedinsto » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:50 pm

Edit: Proposal link- https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1627435967

The Security Council,

In recognition that Sparrow is an ancient region with a long and storied past that has impacted the national identities of hundreds of nations throughout world history,

And in standing resolute against the cruel implementation of long-term delegate-imposed barriers,

And with the belief that all nations of good standing within this body should have the right to participate in the affairs of their ancestral homelands,

The Security Council hereby liberates Sparrow.


Submitted without prior drafting, but since it's a liberation I think it might be worth considering, though I know nothing about Sparrow or what's happened to them.
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Postby Morover » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:57 pm

Against. While there are certainly some situations in which liberations can be submitted with minimal or no drafting, based on the proposal and the regional page, this is not one of those circumstances.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:08 pm

Support. Sparrow ought to be for the sparrows, not for the wolves or whoever those people living in OG Sparrow are!
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Postby Goobergunchia » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:16 pm

I would like to hear from Tygaland or Moldavi on this!!
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Postby Grea Kriopia » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:38 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Support. Sparrow ought to be for the sparrows, not for the wolves or whoever those people living in OG Sparrow are!

The people currently residing in Sparrow are the rightful natives of Sparrow.

The author of this liberation casually forgot to include the fact that their main nation, the original founder of Sparrow, was DEAT for griefing for region. You can read their apology in an attempt to get their main un-DEAT here: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=276850

The region was refounded since then obviously, but the author keeps circling around every few years to make hostile RMB posts to the region (1) (2) and clearly decided taking back the region by force was the next best option.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:54 pm

Grea Kriopia wrote:The author of this liberation casually forgot to include the fact that their main nation, the original founder of Sparrow, was DEAT for griefing for region. You can read their apology in an attempt to get their main un-DEAT here: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=276850

New Bradfordsburg wrote:...New Bradfordsburg will tomorrow be requesting the moderators revive The Evergreen Republic of Bradfordsburg, which was the founding nation of Sparrow, a region of 400 members, and deleted for ejecting 82 nations of UN (now WA) status.

If Heaveria kicked out eighty WA nations from FNR (which has ~420 residents) tomorrow morning, he would get almost universal scorn from the democracies of gameplay - and rightly so. What he would not get is a free DEAT.
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Postby Grea Kriopia » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:11 pm

Tinhampton wrote:If Heaveria kicked out eighty WA nations from FNR (which has ~420 residents) tomorrow morning, he would get almost universal scorn from the democracies of gameplay - and rightly so. What he would not get is a free DEAT.

Probably because the rules on region-griefing were different back then. Region griefing in 2003 resulted in a DEAT.
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Postby Goobergunchia » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:16 pm

Grea Kriopia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:If Heaveria kicked out eighty WA nations from FNR (which has ~420 residents) tomorrow morning, he would get almost universal scorn from the democracies of gameplay - and rightly so. What he would not get is a free DEAT.

Probably because the rules on region-griefing were different back then. Region griefing in 2003 resulted in a DEAT.

The rules were changed in April 2006!!
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:36 pm

Not a necessary liberation. For one, Sparrow is basically dead at this point. They don't have much history other than the griefing that happened 18 years ago and haven't made any headlines since.
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Postby Bradfordsborough » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:40 pm

Esteemed members of the Security Council,

We wish to open this statement by drawing attention to Alluhaland: a former elected officer associated with Sparrow and New Sparrow. This nation is another example of a country that cannot return to their homeland of Sparrow because of the delegate-imposed barriers that password preserve the power of three nations, at the cost of excluding the participation of all those many nations who once associated with Sparrow during its long history. We filed this proposal after seeing that Alluhaland, an ancient nation that we will always call a friend, had been denied entry into Sparrow only days ago.

Alluhaland, like us, is Sparrowivan. Our stories derive from Sparrow and New Sparrow. New Sparrow is now held by a raider and Sparrow is not free. Meanwhile, our national identity is not something that can be taken away, because it is a defining story for our nations. We once founded Sparrow, it's true, and we made mistakes in Sparrow, that's true as well. But we also grew in Sparrow, we were re-embraced by Sparrow, and we survived as a regional family together, with our ups and our downs. And to this day the native nations long to return, and something must be finally done. We submit that the just course of action for the Security Council is to liberate Sparrow. Liberating Sparrow will bring native Sparrowivan nations back to their homeland.

The long years of time have run their course. We have long apologized for our actions in 2003, and, as a nation, we have gone on to accomplish great things and build other great communities in the world, but the fact remains that we are forever Sparrowivan.

And lastly, I'll submit this. The delegate-imposed barriers in Sparrow are inherently undemocratic and exclusive. These barriers have been imposed upon the region under the guise of a greater, looming threat. This is exactly the type of convenient excuse that dictatorships use for justifying tyrannical measures, and that playbook is being followed in Sparrow. But the threat lies within. We are calling on the good will of the world to see this.

If this proposal does not enter queue, it will be a sad day. Sparrow's lockdown and state of martial law may continue forever and there will be little hope of re-connecting with any of the long lost friendly nations we once resided among. Our recent connection with Alluhaland was of pure chance, but it was a joyous day for our nation.

We write this proposal, fittingly, as the delegate from New Sparrow after a ceremonial election for WA Delegate in the raider-held region. The raider who holds New Sparrow is especially cruel, going inactive with government activity for 59 days methodically and repeatedly as a way to build hopes among native nations and then smash them at the last minute.

We file this proposal with great respect for this body. We are proud to be native Sparrowivan and to use the only powers afforded to us here as WA Delegate to file this measure. And we are most proud to carry the endorsement of Alluhaland in this endeavor. We submit that this proposal speaks for the hopes of the native Sparrowivan nations who are effectively refugees at the expense of Sparrow's delegate-imposed barriers. Please support Liberate Sparrow and thank you sincerely for your time. It is an honor to engage in this discussion with this body. Our admiration for the Security Council's Liberation Board will be unwavering, regardless of the outcome of this proposal.

With the highest regards,
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:17 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Not a necessary liberation. For one, Sparrow is basically dead at this point. They don't have much history other than the griefing that happened 18 years ago and haven't made any headlines since.

Pretty much this.

If, by some chance, this gets to the vote, I’ll recommend an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.
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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:36 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Not a necessary liberation. For one, Sparrow is basically dead at this point. They don't have much history other than the griefing that happened 18 years ago and haven't made any headlines since.

Pretty much this.

If, by some chance, this gets to the vote, I’ll recommend an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

Those chances seem to be getting better by the day unfortunately.

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Postby Doge Land » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:23 am

While it's always sad when an old region like this one gets locked up, and it does look like the current delegate has fought for their spot, there's only 3 pages on the rmb and the history page (which goes back to early-2016) shows the region peaking at 5 residents. However, if this does get to quorum- which I doubt it will- I will vote for.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:31 am

Bradfordsborough is back at it again? Well, I'm not really surprised there. Back when I started my first term as ambassador of XKI to Radiant Republic Bradfordsborough was the founder. I can't remember if they CTEd at one point or went inactive, or what caused it, but the community of The Radiant moved to a new region during my term where Odinburgh was in charge. Once that happened I petitioned the Co9 to move the embassy status to the new region.

Once Bradfordsborough came back he threw a fit, and went after the old community trying to get them to return to his region under his control. Let's just say he wasn't doing it in a nice way, either. But anyways, I won't support anything like this from this player because of their past in dealing with communities that were formerly in their region.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:49 am

Doge Land wrote:While it's always sad when an old region like this one gets locked up, and it does look like the current delegate has fought for their spot, there's only 3 pages on the rmb and the history page (which goes back to early-2016) shows the region peaking at 5 residents. However, if this does get to quorum- which I doubt it will- I will vote for.

The author just wants his region back, basically a plea from them to return. It's not even a significant region in terms of history other than the griefing (which the author has done to their own region nonetheless).
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Postby Goobergunchia » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 am

Everybody dismissing Sparrow's historical significance has forgotten about their acts of treason against the Alliance Defense Network, or their role in the Union of Sovereigns, or in the North Pacific Directorate!! There would likely be third parties interested in refounding Sparrow due to said history!!
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Postby Bradfordsborough » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:16 am

Outer Sparta wrote:Not a necessary liberation. For one, Sparrow is basically dead at this point. They don't have much history other than the griefing that happened 18 years ago and haven't made any headlines since.


You're right. This could cut into the Security Council's busy schedule of commending hippos and alligators.

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Postby Team Lennox » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:41 am

Bradfordsborough wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Not a necessary liberation. For one, Sparrow is basically dead at this point. They don't have much history other than the griefing that happened 18 years ago and haven't made any headlines since.


You're right. This could cut into the Security Council's busy schedule of commending hippos and alligators.

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Bradfordsborough wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Not a necessary liberation. For one, Sparrow is basically dead at this point. They don't have much history other than the griefing that happened 18 years ago and haven't made any headlines since.


You're right. This could cut into the Security Council's busy schedule of commending hippos and alligators.

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Not commending or haven’t you caught up with the latest SC category? Too busy griefing I suppose....
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Postby Bradfordsborough » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:53 am

I haven't "griefed" any region since I was 15 years old, almost two decades ago. But I'm glad this is happening right now. The nations throwing shade right now are just doing what they do. :)
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:05 am

Bradfordsborough wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Not a necessary liberation. For one, Sparrow is basically dead at this point. They don't have much history other than the griefing that happened 18 years ago and haven't made any headlines since.


You're right. This could cut into the Security Council's busy schedule of commending hippos and alligators.

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Yet why should we take your comments when you griefed your own region 18 years ago? Also, this seems a lot like opportunism.
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Postby Bradfordsborough » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:19 am

Maybe you don't realize that I went on to serve in elected office in New Sparrow once again, or that I went on to found numerous regions with strong democratic institutions. The legacy communities I've built carry on in many corners of the world. I'm hardly defined by a "griefing" in 2003 that would be considered perfectly legal today.
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Postby Morover » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:04 am

None of this exempts you from the drafting process. Not that it matters either way; it’ll take a miracle for this to reach quorum at this point.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:36 am

Bradfordsborough wrote:Maybe you don't realize that I went on to serve in elected office in New Sparrow once again, or that I went on to found numerous regions with strong democratic institutions. The legacy communities I've built carry on in many corners of the world. I'm hardly defined by a "griefing" in 2003 that would be considered perfectly legal today.

Didn't you have a nation DEATed for region griefing back in 2003, as somebody else pointed out, was a DEAT offense back then?
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Postby Bradfordsborough » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:51 am

Morover wrote:None of this exempts you from the drafting process. Not that it matters either way; it’ll take a miracle for this to reach quorum at this point.


This may come as a surprise to you but actually I am exempted from the drafting process. See, I'm within my rights to file a proposal without opening myself up to a dreadful dialogue with a bunch of crusty old establishment nations that have no interest in anything but giving gold stars in the form of commendations to their friends so that someday they can get one in return.

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