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Is the Greek Cypriot administration trying to take revenge on the Turkish Cypriots ?

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:38 am

Greek Cypriot Administration Leader Nikos Anastasiadis announced that he is ready for sanctions against Turkish Cypriots against the decision of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus regarding the opening of another part of Closed Varosha. Anastasiades said that Turkish Cypriots holding passports of the Republic of Cyprus are preparing to cancel their passports. Are you talking about restricting the gates between TRNC and Southern Cyprus? Answering the question negatively, Anastasiades noted that those who do not recognize the Republic of Cyprus talk about getting their travel documents back. “I am talking about getting the travel documents back,” Anastasiades said. "A person who does not recognize the Republic of Cyprus and claims to be his own state cannot have a passport of the Republic of Cyprus," he said.

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I think it's like Eoka's attacks on Turkish Cypriots before 1974. If they really want to unite the island, they need to abandon such policies of intimidation against the Turkish people. united cyprus or two state solution turkish cypriot lives are as precious as greek cypriots equal rights equal citizenship !

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Postby Dowaesk » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:02 pm

Turkish lives are as valuable as Greeks, yes. This works vise versa as well. If say, a Unified Cyprus is workable, then am all for it. Unfortunately, unlike the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Cyprus barely has any influential worldwide political movement. Its hard for me to decide here. But, am all for a Unified Cyprus. A divided Cyprus isnt going to work, if peace and friendship is what we want. I have a female Turkish Cypriot friend living in Greek Cyprus. Her boyfriend lives in Turkish Cyprus and she told me that it sucks having it that way. She also sent me a picture of a UN checkpoint or something. Idk what it was. Just a picture of a wooden wall and some UN soldiers beside a truck. She told me that it was a border. Apparently, theres a series of parallel borders. That is probably no where near as hard as living in some other neighbouring countries, but thats still very horrible. Since I havent still been able to grasp this conflict that much politically, am avoiding going deeper into it and instead hovering. But from what I understood and what I think of it so far. Turkey and Greece needs to stop interfering with Cyprus politics. They can be close allies, yeh, but to this extent? Thats shit. Cyprus should be unified. Allies with both Turkey and Greece, but with no interference from either of them inside Government. The Turkish invasion and expulsion of 180,000 Cypriots was unnecesary. The Cypriots shouldnt suffer because of the childish immature behaviours of Turkey and Greece. Get rid of the Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot titles. And instead embrace the title "Cypriot"
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:20 pm

Dowaesk wrote:Turkish lives are as valuable as Greeks, yes. This works vise versa as well. If say, a Unified Cyprus is workable, then am all for it. Unfortunately, unlike the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Cyprus barely has any influential worldwide political movement. Its hard for me to decide here. But, am all for a Unified Cyprus. A divided Cyprus isnt going to work, if peace and friendship is what we want. I have a female Turkish Cypriot friend living in Greek Cyprus. Her boyfriend lives in Turkish Cyprus and she told me that it sucks having it that way. She also sent me a picture of a UN checkpoint or something. Idk what it was. Just a picture of a wooden wall and some UN soldiers beside a truck. She told me that it was a border. Apparently, theres a series of parallel borders. That is probably no where near as hard as living in some other neighbouring countries, but thats still very horrible. Since I havent still been able to grasp this conflict that much politically, am avoiding going deeper into it and instead hovering. But from what I understood and what I think of it so far. Turkey and Greece needs to stop interfering with Cyprus politics. They can be close allies, yeh, but to this extent? Thats shit. Cyprus should be unified. Allies with both Turkey and Greece, but with no interference from either of them inside Government. The Turkish invasion and expulsion of 180,000 Cypriots was unnecesary. The Cypriots shouldnt suffer because of the childish immature behaviours of Turkey and Greece. Get rid of the Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot titles. And instead embrace the title "Cypriot"
I agree with some of the issues you wrote, but why do you support the exclusion of Greece and Turkey from this issue? Turkey and Greece can support the guarantor of a united cyprus with Helenoturkism. The only imperialist state on the island is the United Kingdom. It is the wound of the Ottoman Empire selling Turkish lands. I absolutely agree that cypriot upper identities should be created. Had the Annan Plan been accepted, it would have failed anyway. Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots !
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Postby Lady Victory » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:02 pm

I long for the end of the Turkish puppet state in North Cyprus and the end of all of Turkey's imperialist ambitions masquerading as 'good will' missions.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:48 pm

Lady Victory wrote:I long for the end of the Turkish puppet state in North Cyprus and the end of all of Turkey's imperialist ambitions masquerading as 'good will' missions.
Bloody Christmas (1963) That's why Greek and Turkish military presence is important. If there is no equal rights for Turks and Greeks, there is no united Cyprus ! We will not leave the people of Cyprus in the hands of terrorist organizations.
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Postby Tsaivao » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:55 pm

Turkey has very little right to continue their support of Northern Cyprus anyway. I believe that unity can only be achieved if Turkey gets the memo from the rest of the world and makes efforts to back off.
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Lady Victory wrote:I long for the end of the Turkish puppet state in North Cyprus and the end of all of Turkey's imperialist ambitions masquerading as 'good will' missions.
Bloody Christmas (1963) That's why Greek and Turkish military presence is important. If there is no equal rights for Turks and Greeks, there is no united Cyprus ! We will not leave the people of Cyprus in the hands of terrorist organizations.

As much of a terrible incident as it was, it also happened 60 years ago. Maybe it's time to review the policy we currently have and evaluate if North Cyprus needs to be a thing anymore. We can point fingers all we want about who started the troubles that day, but keeping the island bisected for more than half a century probably isn't doing anything to remediate these problems, and only hinders both halves more.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:21 pm

Tsaivao wrote:Turkey has very little right to continue their support of Northern Cyprus anyway. I believe that unity can only be achieved if Turkey gets the memo from the rest of the world and makes efforts to back off.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Bloody Christmas (1963) That's why Greek and Turkish military presence is important. If there is no equal rights for Turks and Greeks, there is no united Cyprus ! We will not leave the people of Cyprus in the hands of terrorist organizations.

As much of a terrible incident as it was, it also happened 60 years ago. Maybe it's time to review the policy we currently have and evaluate if North Cyprus needs to be a thing anymore. We can point fingers all we want about who started the troubles that day, but keeping the island bisected for more than half a century probably isn't doing anything to remediate these problems, and only hinders both halves more.
I totally agree, but Turkey's current political islamic government does nothing for cyprus. While providing military aid to countries that have so-called religious brothers in Libya and Afghanistan, Cyprus is forgotten. Just like the importance not given to our Azeri brothers. However, the Greek Cypriot government's policy of exclusion towards Turkish Cypriots undermines the Turkish community's hopes for a united Cyprus. If the world wants to take a step towards a united Cyprus, it should recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. then a referendum should be held for a united Cyprus. Greece and Turkey should act as guarantors of these recognized states. The people of Cyprus should not be used as a tool for the pampered fight of Turkey and Greece. A united cyprus should be established in the spirit of the Cyprus peace operation initiated by Bülent Ecevit.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:34 pm

Everyone gets Cyprus Citizenship and Equal rights, have the Constitution ban joining Greece or Turkey, unify the Island under the Southern Government since Northern Cyprus only Exists because of the Turkish invasion in the 70s and ensuing UN Intervention which went perfectly as UN Interventions always do. This is not the time or place to descuss the Failures of the UN at ending conflicts but a discussion of Cyprus Can't ignore the UN Intervention. The only Reasonable Solution is to Unify under the southern system or disband both governments and make a new United one. Seeing how north Cyprus is an illegal occupation by Turkey the necessity of involving there government in unification talks depends on the situation. If both sides agree to peacefully unite problem solved. The North would just have to Denounce the Turkish occupation and both sides would have to force the Military of their respective side out.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:48 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:Every gets Cyprus Citizenship and Equal rights, have the Constitution ban joining Greece or Turkey, unify the Island under the Southern Government since Northern Cyprus only Exists because of the Turkish invasion in the 70s and ensuing UN Intervention which went perfectly as UN Interventions always do. This is not the time or place to descuss the Failures of the UN at ending conflicts but a discussion of Cyprus Can't ignore the UN Intervention. The only Reasonable Solution is to Unify under the southern system or disband both governments and make a new United one. Seeing how north Cyprus is an illegal occupation by Turkey the necessity of involving there government in unification talks depends on the situation. If both sides agree to peacefully unite problem solved. The North would just have to Denounce the Turkish occupation and both sides would have to force the Military of their respective side out.
I do not agree with you. Do you think with certainty that there will be no coup in Greece? no, then the military guarantee of greece and turkey must be on the island.You can never expect Turkey to remain silent while the Turks are being killed, the Greek government should stop seeing the eoka as heroes.

1-It should stop the Greek Cypriot government's policy of exclusion against Turkish Cypriots.
2-United Nations countries should recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and be included in the European Union.
3-A referendum should be held for a united Cyprus.
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Postby Duvniask » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:50 pm

Leave it to the Turkish nationalist mouthpiece of nation-states to yet again make another thread to legitimize Turkish aggression. The Republic of North Cyprus is a monument to Turkish ethnic cleansing.

Also, I want to remind everyone that there is an obvious parallel to Nagorno-Karabakh here, where ethnic cleansing was also justified by the Armenians as a matter of security, whatever differences one might otherwise see between the two conflicts. Of course, our resident Turkish nationalist condemns that as an infringement on Azeri sovereignty, whereas Turkey invading the Republic of Cyprus wasn't (for some reason).
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:55 pm

Lady Victory wrote:I long for the end of the Turkish puppet state in North Cyprus and the end of all of Turkey's imperialist ambitions masquerading as 'good will' missions.


Pretty much this.

Also Cyprus should honestly just be part of Greece.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:00 pm

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Lady Victory wrote:I long for the end of the Turkish puppet state in North Cyprus and the end of all of Turkey's imperialist ambitions masquerading as 'good will' missions.


Pretty much this.

Also Cyprus should honestly just be part of Greece.

I'd rather it return to being an independent state, and put an end to this stupid territorial squabbling in the Balkans and Near East. But apparently we can't have nice things.

And, at least, by joining Greece Cyprus could benefit from EU membership and increased tourist travel.
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Postby Duvniask » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:04 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Pretty much this.

Also Cyprus should honestly just be part of Greece.

I'd rather it return to being an independent state, and put an end to this stupid territorial squabbling in the Balkans and Near East. But apparently we can't have nice things.

And, at least, by joining Greece Cyprus could benefit from EU membership and increased tourist travel.

It's actually a member of the EU already. It's yet another factor making EU-membership for Turkey unlikely.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:05 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:I'd rather it return to being an independent state, and put an end to this stupid territorial squabbling in the Balkans and Near East. But apparently we can't have nice things.

And, at least, by joining Greece Cyprus could benefit from EU membership and increased tourist travel.

It's actually a member of the EU already. It's yet another factor making EU-membership for Turkey unlikely.

Well, I mean... half of it is.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:06 pm

The Turkish nationalist is angry that the legitimate government of the country that Turkey illegally invaded and set up a puppet government within isn't kowtowing to the want and desires of said puppet government.

I'm shocked, shocked I say.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:06 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Pretty much this.

Also Cyprus should honestly just be part of Greece.

I'd rather it return to being an independent state, and put an end to this stupid territorial squabbling in the Balkans and Near East. But apparently we can't have nice things.

And, at least, by joining Greece Cyprus could benefit from EU membership and increased tourist travel.

The southern bit already is.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:14 pm

Cyprus will never be free until every last vestige of Settler-Turkishness has been removed from Cyprus.

Also, if Hak is against it, then it can only be a good thing.
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It's in threads like these where you begin to think Islamophobia is an actual thing...

Turkey invaded Cyprus after a coup by a far-right terrorist organization occurred, which they had full right to do by treaty. You can criticize them for maintaining the "occupation," but keep in mind that polls (like the Annan Plan referendum) show the Turkish Cypriots actually don't want to be independent. It's the Greeks who have blocked every attempt to unify the island, and IIRC opinion polling shows most of them want to see a "two-state" solution anyway.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:26 pm

New haven america wrote:The Turkish nationalist is angry that the legitimate government of the country that Turkey illegally invaded and set up a puppet government within isn't kowtowing to the want and desires of said puppet government.

I'm shocked, shocked I say.
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Cyprus will never be free until every last vestige of Settler-Turkishness has been removed from Cyprus.

Also, if Hak is against it, then it can only be a good thing.
Turkey will not remain silent while the Eoka terrorist organization, supported by the putschist soldiers in Greece, is killing the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Passport sanction is only valid for Turkish Cypriots. It is the product of a racist mentality that wants to destroy the Turkish Cypriots who do not respect freedom of thought. Such policies only undermine the united cyprus process. Equal rights should be given to Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots as a cypriot upper identity. Cyprus will not be left to the eoka mentality that kills women and children just because they are Turkish.Political Islamists do nothing but remain silent for this policy. The new government in Turkey (2022) will give the necessary answer. I strongly condemn the policy of threatening Turkish Cypriots with passports.

A priori wrote:It's in threads like these where you begin to think Islamophobia is an actual thing...

Turkey invaded Cyprus after a coup by a far-right terrorist organization occurred, which they had full right to do by treaty. You can criticize them for maintaining the "occupation," but keep in mind that polls (like the Annan Plan referendum) show the Turkish Cypriots actually don't want to be independent. It's the Greeks who have blocked every attempt to unify the island, and IIRC opinion polling shows most of them want to see a "two-state" solution anyway.
I strongly condemn those who turn a blind eye to Cyprus' spoiled rivalry between Turkey and Greece. If the European Union really wants to solve this problem, it can. only Turkish Cypriots want to live as Cypriots regardless of their religion or identity. Even the Annan Plan does not completely unite the two nations. required formula Hellenoturkism
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Postby Deacarsia » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:27 pm

In most any conflict, I shall support the Greeks over the Turks.
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Postby A priori » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:28 pm

Deacarsia wrote:In most any conflict, I shall support the Greeks over the Turks.

So you're an a priori Turkophobe and we shouldn't care about your opinion.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:33 pm

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
New haven america wrote:The Turkish nationalist is angry that the legitimate government of the country that Turkey illegally invaded and set up a puppet government within isn't kowtowing to the want and desires of said puppet government.

I'm shocked, shocked I say.
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Cyprus will never be free until every last vestige of Settler-Turkishness has been removed from Cyprus.

Also, if Hak is against it, then it can only be a good thing.
Turkey will not remain silent while the Eoka terrorist organization, supported by the putschist soldiers in Greece, is killing the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Passport sanction is only valid for Turkish Cypriots. It is the product of a racist mentality that wants to destroy the Turkish Cypriots who do not respect freedom of thought. Such policies only undermine the united cyprus process. Equal rights should be given to Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots as a cypriot upper identity. Cyprus will not be left to the eoka mentality that kills women and children just because they are Turkish.Political Islamists do nothing but remain silent for this policy. The new government in Turkey (2022) will give the necessary answer. I strongly condemn the policy of threatening Turkish Cypriots with passports.

Again, the Turkish nationalist is mad that the legitimate government of Cyprus isn't kowtowing to the whims of the puppet government Turkey set up in Cyprus.

You know, if you were actually a legit Turkish nationalist, you should be focusing on Russia and China instead, whose governments are destroying the history and culture of several Turkic groups. (And outright committing genocide against groups like the Uyghurs in China) But you're not, interesting...
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:35 pm

Deacarsia wrote:In most any conflict, I shall support the Greeks over the Turks.
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New haven america wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote: Turkey will not remain silent while the Eoka terrorist organization, supported by the putschist soldiers in Greece, is killing the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Passport sanction is only valid for Turkish Cypriots. It is the product of a racist mentality that wants to destroy the Turkish Cypriots who do not respect freedom of thought. Such policies only undermine the united cyprus process. Equal rights should be given to Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots as a cypriot upper identity. Cyprus will not be left to the eoka mentality that kills women and children just because they are Turkish.Political Islamists do nothing but remain silent for this policy. The new government in Turkey (2022) will give the necessary answer. I strongly condemn the policy of threatening Turkish Cypriots with passports.

Again, the Turkish nationalist is mad that the legitimate government of Cyprus isn't kowtowing to the whims of the puppet government Turkey set up in Cyprus.

You know, if you were actually a legit Turkish nationalist, you should be focusing on Russia and China instead, whose governments are destroying the history and culture of several Turkic groups. (And outright committing genocide against groups like the Uyghurs in China) But you're not, interesting...
I am not a Turkish nationalist. Passport sanction just because they are Turkish is racist all over the world. Wherever racism comes from, I will react to all of them.
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Postby Duvniask » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:35 pm

Hakinda's literally lying about the EOKA, which hasn't existed since the 1970s (in the form of the EOKA B).
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Postby A priori » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:39 pm

New haven america wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote: Turkey will not remain silent while the Eoka terrorist organization, supported by the putschist soldiers in Greece, is killing the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. Passport sanction is only valid for Turkish Cypriots. It is the product of a racist mentality that wants to destroy the Turkish Cypriots who do not respect freedom of thought. Such policies only undermine the united cyprus process. Equal rights should be given to Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots as a cypriot upper identity. Cyprus will not be left to the eoka mentality that kills women and children just because they are Turkish.Political Islamists do nothing but remain silent for this policy. The new government in Turkey (2022) will give the necessary answer. I strongly condemn the policy of threatening Turkish Cypriots with passports.

Again, the Turkish nationalist is mad that the legitimate government of Cyprus isn't kowtowing to the whims of the puppet government Turkey set up in Cyprus.

You know, if you were actually a legit Turkish nationalist, you should be focusing on Russia and China instead, whose governments are destroying the history and culture of several Turkic groups. (And outright committing genocide against groups like the Uyghurs in China) But you're not, interesting...

Lol

It's not a puppet government. They often elect parties and politicians who the Turkish government has/had problems with and/or dislikes.
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