by Berhakonia » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:26 am
by Bears Armed » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:05 am
by Cappedore » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:12 am
President Austin Merrill | Vice President Cleveland Durand | Chancellor Maya Murray
by Berhakonia » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:28 am
Cappedore wrote:Adding on to BA's reply ^^, This UK Parliament Bill might help but I'm no expert so take it with a pinch of salt.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/20 ... ts/enacted
by Berhakonia » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:28 am
Bears Armed wrote:Category, and Strength or Area of Effect?
I see the definitions, but where are the actual "provisions" that it "Hereby enforces"?
(If you refer to some piece of RL legislation then that makes this proposal illegal...)
by Berhakonia » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:31 am
Minskiev wrote:Would homeless shelters fall under permanent or formal housing? Also neat flag
by Tinhampton » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:55 am
Berhakonia wrote:DEFINES:
I. Homelessness as the status of any individual, family or otherwise, having not resided in permanent or formal housing for a period of 6 months or greater.
II. Housing as any privately-owned property serving the primary function of providing residence.
III. Afforable Housing as residence that can be afforded by the lowest tax bracket or bottom 10% income range of any given member of the WA.
II. Predatory Business Practice as any private or publically-sanctioned action or transaction, scalping, speculation or otherwise, through direct or indirect means, responsible for exponential inflation in value of residential properties.
by Berhakonia » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:50 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Berhakonia wrote:DEFINES:
I. Homelessness as the status of any individual, family or otherwise, having not resided in permanent or formal housing for a period of 6 months or greater.
II. Housing as any privately-owned property serving the primary function of providing residence.
III. Afforable Housing as residence that can be afforded by the lowest tax bracket or bottom 10% income range of any given member of the WA.
II. Predatory Business Practice as any private or publically-sanctioned action or transaction, scalping, speculation or otherwise, through direct or indirect means, responsible for exponential inflation in value of residential properties.
Exactly none of your definitions are referenced in any capacity outside of your definitions section. (This makes Minskiev's question completely irrelevant.)
by Bears Armed » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:36 am
by Berhakonia » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:40 am
Bears Armed wrote:OOC: Unfortunately the [shared] computer that I'm currently using has only 'WordPad' rather than a full version of 'Word', and therefore lacks the 'Character Count'facility... but just looking at the draft leaves me wondering whether it might be too long.
(For the information of anybody reading this who didn't already know, the maximum length possible for a proposal is 5'000 characters... counting not only letters and numbers but also all of the punctuation, spaces, and line-breaks.)
Maybe it would be a good idea for somebody to check this?
Some of the clauses look as though they might have been copy/pasted from RL legislation, which would -- information provided here in case the author wasn't already aware of the fact -- make the proposal illegal.
There are several places where this text refers to placing limits, restrictions, and so on, but neither sets the details of those directly nor -- which would be my preferred approach -- nominates any particular class of national &/or local agencies to set the details.
Re '1b', it would probably be helpful to explain what a "banning order" does.
Re clause 'VIII', this apparently requires the conversion of "historic" ruins -- the remains of 'slighted' medieval castles, for example -- into modern housing regardless of [for example] either the cultural importance of those sites in their current condition or the relative impracticability (compared to just building modern housing from scratch on other sites) of those projects. OPPOSED
Many on the right are going to hate this because of the powers that it gives to governments, many (probably more?) on the left are going to hate this because of the rights that it gives to private enterprise.
by Berhakonia » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:42 am
by Berhakonia » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:52 am
Bears Armed wrote:OOC: Unfortunately the [shared] computer that I'm currently using has only 'WordPad' rather than a full version of 'Word', and therefore lacks the 'Character Count'facility... but just looking at the draft leaves me wondering whether it might be too long.
(For the information of anybody reading this who didn't already know, the maximum length possible for a proposal is 5'000 characters... counting not only letters and numbers but also all of the punctuation, spaces, and line-breaks.)
Maybe it would be a good idea for somebody to check this?
Some of the clauses look as though they might have been copy/pasted from RL legislation, which would -- information provided here in case the author wasn't already aware of the fact -- make the proposal illegal.
There are several places where this text refers to placing limits, restrictions, and so on, but neither sets the details of those directly nor -- which would be my preferred approach -- nominates any particular class of national &/or local agencies to set the details.
Re '1b', it would probably be helpful to explain what a "banning order" does.
Re clause 'VIII', this apparently requires the conversion of "historic" ruins -- the remains of 'slighted' medieval castles, for example -- into modern housing regardless of [for example] either the cultural importance of those sites in their current condition or the relative impracticability (compared to just building modern housing from scratch on other sites) of those projects. OPPOSED
(In fact, with its lack of any upper limit set on the length of time since previous habitation, it would apparently apply even to caves that were inhabited only during the Paleolithic..)
Many on the right are going to hate this because of the powers that it gives to governments, many (probably more?) on the left are going to hate this because of the rights that it gives to private enterprise.
by Bears Armed » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:18 am
Berhakonia wrote:Just one quick question, does the WA have a formal definition for a cultural heritage site?
by The Great Boom » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:10 pm
by Berhakonia » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:28 pm
The Great Boom wrote:Our delegation has a laundry list of issues with this, but they mostly revolve around how infeasible and unhelpful this is. Mandating that nations establish committees to solve a problem the nation isn't solving is worse then useless, especially as you don't seem to mandate those committees to do anything. I would go further in my criticism of this but it's not concise enough to be worth the effort. Though I will add that I think you're going to run into a great deal of objection to your statement that homelessness is an epidemic in WA Nations. You haven't provided any proof and I'm not aware that any exists. Near as I can tell, Nationstates doesn't even bother to track it in anyone's nations. Any many nations, like The Great Boom, have robust guarantees to housing as a human right. So an international housing crisis and a greedy landlord cabal seem like dubious claims
by Berhakonia » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:04 pm
The Great Boom wrote:Our delegation has a laundry list of issues with this, but they mostly revolve around how infeasible and unhelpful this is. Mandating that nations establish committees to solve a problem the nation isn't solving is worse then useless, especially as you don't seem to mandate those committees to do anything. I would go further in my criticism of this but it's not concise enough to be worth the effort. Though I will add that I think you're going to run into a great deal of objection to your statement that homelessness is an epidemic in WA Nations. You haven't provided any proof and I'm not aware that any exists. Near as I can tell, Nationstates doesn't even bother to track it in anyone's nations. Any many nations, like The Great Boom, have robust guarantees to housing as a human right. So an international housing crisis and a greedy landlord cabal seem like dubious claims
by Berhakonia » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:32 am
by Bananaistan » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:01 am
by Berhakonia » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:31 pm
Bananaistan wrote:"Is there any particular reason why member states can't manage all this on their own within the broad requirements of GAR#344?"
by Bananaistan » Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:51 am
Berhakonia wrote:Bananaistan wrote:"Is there any particular reason why member states can't manage all this on their own within the broad requirements of GAR#344?"
Section 1 is too vague on definition of housing (does not include definition at all and can be interpreted any which way by state bodies, unless another past resolution defines it in bettet detail).
Section 3 is far too vague and guarentees minimum income over meaningful shelter. Does not address bad faith creditors, debt traps, rogue property agents, etc. and can be interpreted any number of ways and allows for gross loopholesto be exploited.
Section 4c is too vague and could be interpreted any number of ways, possibly excluding students, housewives and the homeless from the bill. While the homeless are not entitled to minimum income, this bill at least seeks to grant them access to shelter.
Section 5a is the complete antithesis to this bill; a large-scale unemployment crisis can be considered an economic crisis, and this bill seeks to ameliorate these crises through legislation, not allow member states to exempt themselves because of them.
Suggest any corrections to this draft if you feel that it equally fails to address the aforementioned criticisms, I hope to make this draft as bulletproof as possible.
by Araraukar » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:06 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Berhakonia » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:17 am
by Araraukar » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:19 am
Berhakonia wrote:I think I might just drop this draft entirely and write a new one tragetting bad-faith creditors and money lenders. Can someone confirm whether or not such legislation already exists?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Berhakonia » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:35 pm
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