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[Passed] Repeal: "Identity Theft Prevention Act"

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[Passed] Repeal: "Identity Theft Prevention Act"

Postby Morover » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:12 pm

General Assembly Resolution #110 “Identity Theft Prevention Act” (Category: International Security; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

Recognizing the crime of identity theft as a reprehensible action, which can ruin the lives of victims and cause issues on a grand scale, and the passage of Resolution 110, “Identity Theft Prevention Act” to help address this issue,

Concerned by several flaws present within Resolution 110, which distract from the good intended to come from the act, most notably the flaws that the International Identity Database has, such as:
  1. The database only being accessible by law enforcement within member-states, meaning that in the cases of privatized law enforcement, the governments of member-states have no way to reliably access the database without going through a third party that does have access,
  2. Allowing any law enforcement officer to access the database, regardless of need, prior history, or other basic security precursors that such an international system should have in place inherently allows abuse of the information therein, especially when coupled with the lack of mechanism to protect the identities of those entered within the database, meaning that malicious law enforcement officers can potentially sell the data of victims of identity theft for profit or other personal or organizational gain,
  3. The lack of mechanism to input discovered stolen identities into the database if there was no report made, ultimately hindering the efforts of the database by potentially large amounts,
  4. Similarly, the lack of any defined method for removing an individual from the database, meaning that even in cases where identities were mistakenly reported as stolen or where stolen identity cases were solved, there is a significant chance where law enforcement will continue to be notified when the rightful owner of an identity uses their identity in a perfectly lawful fashion,

Worried by other minor flaws within the resolution outside those found within the bounds of the above, such as:
  1. Identity thieves being forced to pay monetary compensation even when monetary compensation is not appropriate due to no money being lost, or where the victim is deceased or otherwise incapacitated and there is no way for the money to reach them, or where the identity theft does not have any money to pay,
  2. The lack of specification on how the World Identity Theft Database operates, how it disseminates information, and how it protects tourists specifically,
  3. Generally poor writing, which potentially allows nations to abuse and bypass the resolution, especially regarding the exceptions given to the ban of identity theft, and with the definition of identity theft already being referred to as a “crime”,

Believing that these flaws ultimately undermine the resolution as a whole, and make a case for striking it from the records,

And hoping that a future resolution will be able to address the problem of identity theft without leaving the flaws that the target did,

Hereby repeals Resolution 110, “Identity Theft Prevention Act”.


Thanks to Cretox for glancing over my first draft of it and giving some points. I'll get a replacement up at some point in the next couple of days - I've been doing a lot of private drafting and want to avoid spamming the forums so I'm keeping some in my back pocket.

But yeah, this resolution is pretty atrocious. Feedback is appreciated, as always :)

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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:48 am

Morover wrote:The database only being accessible by law enforcement within member-states, meaning that in the cases of privatized law enforcement, the governments of member-states have no way to reliably access the database without going through a third party that does have access,

The target makes no mention of privatised law enforcement nor any distinction between privatised law enforcement or not-privatised law enforcement so I've no idea how it's at all possible to conclude that privatised law enforcement are excluded.

Morover wrote:The lack of mechanism to input discovered stolen identities into the database if there was no report made ultimately hindering the efforts of the database by potentially large amounts,

Is this an unknown unknown or something? In the absence of a report, how exactly can anything of any subject matter be known and put into any database?

Morover wrote:Similarly, the lack of any defined method for removing an individual from the database, meaning that even in cases where identities were mistakenly reported as stolen or where stolen identity cases were solved, there is a significant chance where law enforcement will continue to be notified when the rightful owner of an identity uses their identity in a perfectly lawful fashion,

This also makes no sense. Once someone is the victim of identity theft, they are always the victim of identity theft.

Morover wrote:Generally poor writing, which potentially allows nations to abuse and bypass the resolution, especially regarding the exceptions given to the ban of identity theft, and with the definition of identity theft already being referred to as a “crime”,

How is identity theft being defined as a crime a problem?
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Postby Morover » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:42 am

Bananaistan wrote:
Morover wrote:The database only being accessible by law enforcement within member-states, meaning that in the cases of privatized law enforcement, the governments of member-states have no way to reliably access the database without going through a third party that does have access,

The target makes no mention of privatised law enforcement nor any distinction between privatised law enforcement or not-privatised law enforcement so I've no idea how it's at all possible to conclude that privatised law enforcement are excluded.

That's not what this clause is saying - it's saying that because only law enforcement can access it, if a nation has privatized law enforcement, the member-nation would have to go through the law enforcement agency (e.g. a private business who may readily deny them) if they want to access the database for any reason.

Morover wrote:The lack of mechanism to input discovered stolen identities into the database if there was no report made ultimately hindering the efforts of the database by potentially large amounts,

Is this an unknown unknown or something? In the absence of a report, how exactly can anything of any subject matter be known and put into any database?

Police never stumble upon things accidentally? It's a minor issue but it's an issue nonetheless; law enforcement should have flexibility when it comes to this.

Morover wrote:Similarly, the lack of any defined method for removing an individual from the database, meaning that even in cases where identities were mistakenly reported as stolen or where stolen identity cases were solved, there is a significant chance where law enforcement will continue to be notified when the rightful owner of an identity uses their identity in a perfectly lawful fashion,

This also makes no sense. Once someone is the victim of identity theft, they are always the victim of identity theft.

Sure, but there are also false reports - which are required to be uploaded to the database given the wording of the target. There are also situations where an individual with a stolen identity has the effect of having their identity stolen minimized to such a great extent so as to be negligible, and the target requires local law enforcement to be notified everytime they use their own identity.

Morover wrote:Generally poor writing, which potentially allows nations to abuse and bypass the resolution, especially regarding the exceptions given to the ban of identity theft, and with the definition of identity theft already being referred to as a “crime”,

How is identity theft being defined as a crime a problem?

The target: "Declares that [a crime] shall be outlawed..." It wouldn't be enough on its own but you can't deny that it's nonsensical to define something about to be outlawed in this fashion - in some sense, it almost makes it so that only in nations where identity theft is locally outlawed will the World Assembly law against it go into effect.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:41 pm

Morover wrote:That's not what this clause is saying - it's saying that because only law enforcement can access it, if a nation has privatized law enforcement, the member-nation would have to go through the law enforcement agency (e.g. a private business who may readily deny them) if they want to access the database for any reason.


Why would they need to access the database for non-law enforcement reasons? And if they do, couldn't member nations simply make laws requiring these private businesses to allow access to this stuff?
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Postby Morover » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:18 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
Morover wrote:That's not what this clause is saying - it's saying that because only law enforcement can access it, if a nation has privatized law enforcement, the member-nation would have to go through the law enforcement agency (e.g. a private business who may readily deny them) if they want to access the database for any reason.


Why would they need to access the database for non-law enforcement reasons? And if they do, couldn't member nations simply make laws requiring these private businesses to allow access to this stuff?

Potentially compensation/non-law enforcement help in remedying the situation. Knowledge of potentially stolen identities accessing government services, quicker than the database committee can inform the government. Regardless of reason, member-states have a vested interest in this kind of stuff. Yes, they could create laws for them to access them via a proxy of the privatized law enforcement, but that shouldn't be necessary in the first place, and may go against some government tenants of leaving private businesses to their own affairs. There are ways for member-nations to work around this issue, but these work-arounds are more convoluted than they should be, especially when the way the resolution is written doesn't really have any positive purpose behind this.
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Postby Morover » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:24 pm

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Postby Morover » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:05 am

I'm currently planning to submit this around Aug25, unless anyone brings up anything significant. My time to spend on NS is severely limited right now so any major concerns with this or the replacement may take a hot second for me to fix, so apologies in advance.
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Postby URA World Assembly Affairs » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:40 pm

The United Regions Alliance recommends voting for this resolution. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1589187
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Postby Texkentuck » Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:41 pm

In walks in the President of Texkentuck with his security and many government officials. The president is surprisingly sober and doesn't have a drink but his smell of his cigar which smells of that of sweet real cigar smoke. The President looks very serious....The flag bearer of our nations flags of all in the new renaissance are set in stands along with other WA flags


Our nation is back in the WA. We have work to do in this WA....Thankful the Majority is for this repeal in order to hopefully establish what is more in line with the Union of Capitalist Conservative Republic views.

The President states our nation is enforcing many laws of this WA but the few that go against what we see to be human right violations we publicly don't enforce nor do we enact change in our nation for the institutions to make such a change.....Inspectors may come to our nation anytime our nation is open to the World Order and now your nations is open to our world order as well.....
Anything to do with the civil rights of doctors or unborn babies we continue to protect. The other proposals are much more trivial and we are in accord until repeal. We once again congratulate this WA in voting for the repeal at hand....We offer this WA an open borders policy to the citizens of your nations but they must abide in our laws at hand to be vaccinated before entry. We accept all creeds and nationality but we do have a national religion. Our TFS agents insure the safety of those who protest in our nation from your nations....May God bless this World Assembly and all who want to make the world assembly truly a place of respect for our nations laws and constitutions through proper proposal. Our nation sends blessing upon the world assembly for proposal to do it's purpose.

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Postby Vylixan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:44 am

or where the identity theft does not have any money to pay


Shouldn't it read thief instead of theft? Unless thefts can pay fines :unsure: .
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Postby Roblox12 » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:42 pm

I support this and see the flaws in this legislation. Due to the fact that any law enforcement can access this seems very unsafe and not good.

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Postby Roblox12 » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:42 pm

I support this and see the flaws in this legislation. Due to the fact that any law enforcement can access this seems very unsafe and not good.

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Postby Texkentuck » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:06 pm

Roblox12 wrote:I support this and see the flaws in this legislation. Due to the fact that any law enforcement can access this seems very unsafe and not good.



President Schirkophf listens intently as he takes a puff of his cigar....

We absolutely agree. We are voting for this proposal as well for the removal of the current proposal. Identity should be safeguarded and only under just reasoning a database should be accessed based on evidence of the party. We read the reasoning for the removal of the current proposal and makes sense. In the replacement I hope that their are safe-guards in place for identity but under just reason an investigator may have access. Not an entire police forces i.d. data base open to anyone from the traffic cop to the investigator. But we are for databases of investigations open to the public if they want to look into a case.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:01 pm

Repeal "Identity Theft Prevention Act" was passed 12,799 votes to 921. (93.29% support)

For: 12,799: Francois Isidore (939), Amerion (722), The Atlae Isles (566), Dilber (483), East Durthang (439), Wischland (347), North East Somerset (244), Primorye Oblast (212), Agalaesia (204), Luna State (189), Duby (179), Brototh (122), Ruinenlust (118), Lesser Velutaria (115), TESDAI (114), SigmaChad (108), Bearded Dragones (88), Life During Wartime (76), Student Loan Debt (62), Enlais (61), Sylh Alanor (60), The Glorious Hypetrain (59), Vancouvia (55), Brys questions (54), Nulkia (51), Octal (48), South Boston Irishmen (47), Mikeswill (43), Frilless Islands (43), Noble Titans (39), Quinceria (39), Roma Sparta (33), Candensia (32), Boris Cult (32), Yodle (30), Paleocacher (29), Karteria (28), Sanctaria (28), Benderk (27), Tostandia (26), Lamerdon (25), Tinhampton (25), Orioni 2 (25), New Legland (24), Swiftlandian Peoples Republic (23), New Scottsville (23), NewTexas (23), Alentejo and Algarve (21), Suter (21), Castle Federation (21), Ecolaria (21), Cruciland (20), Sirian (19), One Small Island (19), Oi Barbaroi (18), Calnodia (17), Zuzek (17), Niveusium (16), Zamastan (15), Fachumonn (14), Lunar Martian Alliance (14), Zergadnkastan (14), United States of Kuwait (14), German Federal Reich (13), Whallhall (13), Gatchina (12), Baloo Kingdom (12), The Free Northern Isles (12), Thee Imperium 0f Man (12), Somersetonia (12), Hajirah (11), Ko-oren (11), Vegaga (11), Orca and Narwhal (11), Fighting Everyone (11), Hydroponic Nation (11), Azgoghk (11), Xanarchea (11), Yafetistan (10), Dune-Aemiliana (10), Candanadium (10), The Voltarum (10), Echidona (10), The Hard Part (10), Seludong (10), Of The Glorious Soviet Onion (10), Ktchenia (9), Romanian Sultanate (9), Draganisia (9), Grand Empire of Prussia (9), Aftenheim (9), Axorian (9), The Independent States of Allied Forces (9), Martinilinian (9), Halcyon Nova (9), Dalek-Empire (9), Brocklandia (8), Nord Itallia (8), Olde Towne (8), Chodean Kal (8), Lurusitania (8), Federal republic of Socialsts (8), Orennica (7), Lithuanian Ireland (7), GoodKingWenceslas (7), Russia Major (7), OmegaShenron (7), Krovx Luxembourg (7), Yermaney (7), Catrabania (7), The Scottish Republic (7), Miseria (6), San Lumen (6), Birb Bois United Front (6), Lost Village Mayohiga (6), Wobbegong (6), Omniabstracta (6), The Northwest Corridor (6), Killzone35 (6), Creui (6), Communo-Slavocia (6), Ly lirium (6), Tuandle (6), Black Spears (6), The Candy Of Bottles (6), The Soviet state of Svalbard (6), Hetairaea (5), Lushie (5), YoMomaSoFat (5), The Regalian Underland (5), ColdHeartedBastards (5), Voxija (5), Kard Eureallytopia (5), Creative Branding (5), Lamoni (5), Golanchia (5), Premier Kon (5), Koxor (5), Krovnik (5), Zhong-guo (5), Greater Monstratte (5), Barak Khalad (4), Atcquatica (4), Novum Orientis (4), North West Aqusomia (4), Conservativealia (4), Davelands (4), Republic of Dixie (4), Willtechia (4), Chap Ven (4), Zarbik (4), Auxorii (4), Frontier Isles (4), Tianjastan (4), Halexandria (4), Eastern Carpathian Free States (4), Pasaistan (4), San Teodoro de Haro (4), Milkination (4), Wabacha (4), Swideri (4), Karnitia (4), East overworld (4), Alistia (4), Taki Calxur (4), Wagastan (4), The Flyin (4), Sartell Koltis (4), FORKTASTICSTAN (4), Denathor (4), Reultan (4), Socruell (3), Auruna (3), Terminum (3), Demokratische Volksrepublik Ozeanien (3), Suvmia (3), North-West Commland (3), Somalwilandia (3), Beazlend (3), Libertatia 2 (3), The State of Communism (3), Snowy Town Island (3), Extorant (3), Pastries (3), South Anistania (3), Kinkerland (3), Tsaivao (3), Sietsk (3), The Neolithic German Empire (3), Friendton (3), United Lammunist Republic (3), Herby (3), Jacobopolus (3), Agife (3), Madrocea (3), South Lacerta (3), The Soviet Union Republics (3), AEthelgard (3), Dragons of Power (3), United Countries of North America (3), 11 Templar Knights (3), Republic of Washinton (3), North Mack (3), Flor-Fina (3), Gumeus (3), The Palentine (3), Issime (2), Shnrubton (2), Whitemore (2), NinjitsUtopia (2), The Isles of Bermuda (2), Nisasia (2), Azandeland (2), United Corporate States (2), Erloane (2), Great Nania (2), East Thule (2), Hometania (2), Scakulever (2), Saganye (2), Clutching at straws (2), Arcerar (2), Hongli (2), The Horsemasters (2), Fooger Booger (2), The Republic of Abe (2), Greater Eireann (2), Sodiua (2), Estamonia (2), Evaropi (2), The Arkam Asylum (2), Feujia (2), West Vesteria (2), Duhhhmurica (2), Voneisen (2), Union of Noovistian (2), Heromerland (2), Stabiae (2), Rexcaeli (2), Rivgalia (2), GraySoap (2), The Eurasian SFSR (2), Ibarkla (2), Teschnaia (2), Rosmana (2), The Pop Punk Union (2), Valkovia (2), Vennos (2), Consigahria (2), Brooklynn Selvage (2), Fsdh E (2), Necropole Of Savoie (2), Some People on Planet Arcadia (2), Zombiedolphins (2), Chundukeratopia (2), Basslands (2), Il Osoris (2), Kinben-ism (2), Frusaly (2), KPJ (2), New Deathland (2), Calcaterra (2), Serene Peninsular Workers Republic (2), Merulla (2), Caylood Hype (2), Fifth Caliphate (2), Zachtia (2), Ze Faderland (2), Lehqhbraot (2), New Bismuthium (2), Hakuri (2), The Hazar Amisnery (2), South Olpen (2), Draconae (2), Thineshist (2), Sedgistan (2), Neim (2), Imperial Felchah (2), Islands Of Ventro (2), Imperioa (2), Molson Iceland (2), For The worlds of the midrim (2), Republic of Blank (2), Melanocytes (2), Gohlistan (2), Wisea (2), Einsame (2), Peoples Republic of Lower Saxony (2), The Ancient World (2), Sidramye (2), Vetoland (2), Greater Zhanland (2), Ethwelistan (2), Desertiania (2), Romulus III (2), Your Cars Extended Warranty (2), Adeiatic (2), Greenkeep (2), Lochside (2), His Excellency (2), and (5,126) individual member nations.

Against: 921: Nagistan (19), Ecclestia (15), Greater Cuba (15), El Varctica (10), Otaku Stratus (8), Santa Thereza (8), Norvew (6), Libertarian Communist Planets (6), Dellettia (6), Minlask (5), Kustonia (5), Aelythium (5), Wadelhelpia (5), The Giantik (4), Socialist Amogus (4), Smiley Bob (4), Blatter Land (4), Tysoania (3), Tomisburg (3), The Fire Born (3), UltimateCommunism (3), Qastari (3), Rei I (3), Chairman Cities (3), Easway (3), South Abrada (3), Unified Democratic Europe (2), Rabinia (2), Westpac (2), Ravenstan (2), Waskonte (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Zarnicovia nova (2), Northern Race Empire (2), Lower Slobbovia (2), President Pro Tempore (2), Lys Arva (2), Adinesi (2), and (741) individual member nations.
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