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How do nations get rarities on trading cards?

Postby Kors » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:04 pm

I had this question for a long time. I couldn't find any other posts on this. What requirement do I need to reach to become an legendary, epic, ultra rare, rare, uncommon, common card?
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Postby The Python » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:09 pm

Kors wrote:I had this question for a long time. I couldn't find any other posts on this. What requirement do I need to reach to become an legendary, epic, ultra rare, rare, uncommon, common card?

Depends on your badges.

If you have very few badges on your nation, then you are common. Nations with dozens of gold badges usually get legendaries. Other things that can boost rarity are:
  • Being an administrator/Moderator/issues editor
  • Getting commended or condemned
  • Being delegate of a large region (such as a GCR)
  • Having high influence in your region
  • Authoring WA resolutions or issues
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Postby Refuge Isle » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:21 pm

Any badge on your nation page appears to contributed to a card rarity. The bulk of these rarities are determined by the volume and quality of your census stat badges. The actual thresholds of each rarity are not static; they're assigned as a ratio of all nations. 0.1% of nations will be legendary, 1% of nations will be epic, 3% of nations will be ultra-rare, 7% will be rare and so on. So the combined value of all the things on your page need to be higher than X% of other nations if you want to hit a certain rank. The weights of each badge aren't confirmed by admin, so it's largely guesswork based on what's ended up where in the past, and whether or not admin has changed those weights since the last time we saw a demonstration of them.

Some observations from S2's mechanics:
Somewhere around 32-35 1% badges for a nation to hit legendary without any other contributors (as far as I remember, it's been a minute)
It's possible in very very rare cases to reach "rare" with no gold badges of any kind, just loaded up with 5%s instead.
It's possible to reach ultra-rare on a founder-delegate combination alone if your ID is low enough. (all other things being equal, ties appear to resolve by ID, just like everywhere else).
It's not possible to be commended or condemned at get a rarity lower than ultra-rare.
In-game authorships (WA resolutions and Issues especially) have substantial weight. Founder has less, but still multiple 1% badges' worth. Delegate seems slightly less than that.
One gold badge, alone, is not enough to rank out of common. Two should be enough, however, and any founder badge will be worth at least uncommon.

How useful or relevant are these observations in July 2021? Hardly at all! An actual S3 is unknowable. There were 169,000 nations when the last season was created, there are 219,000 today, so a whole swath of players would see higher rarities on their nations than they would have last time. Perhaps admin has changed how things are weighted since then! There was some confirmation by [violet] directly in the card server that deck value at certain rank tiers would have a factor in S3's rarity. By how much, it is a mystery. There's just no way of knowing how things will look or how much will be changed from before.

Best advice for long-term gains on your card rarity, however, would be to just answer issues consistently the same way over a long period of time and grow your stats to impressive numbers.

The Python wrote:[*]Being delegate of a large region (such as a GCR)

There does not seem to be any indication that being a delegate of a GCR has more rarity weight than being a delegate of any other region. Bran Astor, for example, was weighted approximately how I expect a nation of any region to be rated with a delegate badge, two 1% badges, and a collection of lesser ones.

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Postby Big Boyz » Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:20 pm

I found this: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1301086#RARITY,

which should shed some light on the situation.
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Postby Kors » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:11 am

The Python wrote:
Kors wrote:I had this question for a long time. I couldn't find any other posts on this. What requirement do I need to reach to become an legendary, epic, ultra rare, rare, uncommon, common card?

Depends on your badges.

If you have very few badges on your nation, then you are common. Nations with dozens of gold badges usually get legendaries. Other things that can boost rarity are:
  • Being an administrator/Moderator/issues editor
  • Getting commended or condemned
  • Being delegate of a large region (such as a GCR)
  • Having high influence in your region
  • Authoring WA resolutions or issues

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Postby Big Boyz » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:16 am

Kors wrote:
The Python wrote:Depends on your badges.

If you have very few badges on your nation, then you are common. Nations with dozens of gold badges usually get legendaries. Other things that can boost rarity are:
  • Being an administrator/Moderator/issues editor
  • Getting commended or condemned
  • Being delegate of a large region (such as a GCR)
  • Having high influence in your region
  • Authoring WA resolutions or issues

There was a forum moderator who acheived only rare status

Who? Everything I found indicated that mods were guaranteed legendary.
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:37 am

Big Boyz wrote:
Kors wrote:There was a forum moderator who acheived only rare status

Who? Everything I found indicated that mods were guaranteed legendary.

Maybe they got the job only after their card's rarity for the 'edition' concerned had been set?
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Postby Refuge Isle » Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:15 am

Bears is right.

If you are referring to a card in Season 1, do note that the rarities for that series were set in April 2018, but the badges were re-set during the second snapshot that December. This means that anything that happened between April and December of that year was not factored into the rarity. We can see discrepancies with Jakker (who is likely being referred to) as well as Xoriet who placed as rare because her commendation came in that April-December gap. It would be more reliable to use wayback machine snapshots of the nation in question to see how they actually looked in April 2018, or finding other records of what was going on at the time.

Season 2 only had a five day window where a card's front-facing badges could be altered. Those rarity values are much more reliable.
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Postby Big Boyz » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:59 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:Bears is right.

If you are referring to a card in Season 1, do note that the rarities for that series were set in April 2018, but the badges were re-set during the second snapshot that December. This means that anything that happened between April and December of that year was not factored into the rarity. We can see discrepancies with Jakker (who is likely being referred to) as well as Xoriet who placed as rare because her commendation came in that April-December gap. It would be more reliable to use wayback machine snapshots of the nation in question to see how they actually looked in April 2018, or finding other records of what was going on at the time.

Season 2 only had a five day window where a card's front-facing badges could be altered. Those rarity values are much more reliable.

That would make sense. It also explains why there are "ex-nation" cards.
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Postby Kors » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:42 pm

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Postby Kors » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:30 pm

Big Boyz wrote:
Kors wrote:There was a forum moderator who acheived only rare status

Who? Everything I found indicated that mods were guaranteed legendary.

It was S1 so it might have been enscribed
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