I am proud of German history

[Dakini]

Modern Germans shouldn't let something that happened nearly 100 years ago affect them today. That already happened and they can't fix the past so instead they should look towards the more important things in the future. Hating Germans because of the Nazis is technically prejudice and maybe even racist.

Nobody proposed hating the Germans because some of the ones that are still alive were Nazis on a time.

[Saiwania]

I don't know what parts of Germany you've been to, but they absolutely depict that period. They don't exclude it at all, quite the opposite they examine it closely so as to not repeat the mistakes of the past and make sure that Germans understand their history, warts and all.

I suspect your issue isn't that they 'ignore it' but rather think it was a bad thing.

In the national anthem video, there is nothing from the Third Reich represented like there is for other portions of their history.

[Cannot think of a name]

I don't know what parts of Germany you've been to, but they absolutely depict that period. They don't exclude it at all, quite the opposite they examine it closely so as to not repeat the mistakes of the past and make sure that Germans understand their history, warts and all.

I suspect your issue isn't that they 'ignore it' but rather think it was a bad thing.

In the national anthem video, there is nothing from the Third Reich represented like there is for other portions of their history.

Well, yeah.

edit: Montages of the American anthem don't often include slave ships being unloaded or natives being slaughtered and driven off their land or Japanese internment camps or the bombing of Tulsa.

You tend to show only the good bits when you're raraing a nation. It doesn't mean they're hiding from that part of their history, quite the opposite.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I don't know what parts of Germany you've been to, but they absolutely depict that period. They don't exclude it at all, quite the opposite they examine it closely so as to not repeat the mistakes of the past and make sure that Germans understand their history, warts and all.

I suspect your issue isn't that they 'ignore it' but rather think it was a bad thing.

In the national anthem video, there is nothing from the Third Reich represented like there is for other portions of their history.

Wow thats mad, i wonder why.

[Hagenhamm]

Germany has a lot to be proud of, like having the best economy in Europe. It has room to become better though, such as repealing all of their hate speech laws. This is the best national anthem video I've found for Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6eXyYJ4h5o

The only flaw it has is that it doesn't depict the Third Reich period of their history as if it never happened. This is like excluding Henry VIII's reign for the UK's history just because he killed all those wives. I believe it'd of been better for the video to have included all of Germany's history.

Depicting the Third Reich

This is really horrible [color=#grey]firearm safety[/color]

[Saiwania]

You tend to show only the good bits when you're raraing a nation. It doesn't mean they're hiding from that part of their history, quite the opposite.

It isn't anything to be ashamed of in my view. Japan under Abe for example, isn't afraid to embrace the positive aspects of their colonialist period and accepts the Pacific theater of World War II as being a great effort on their part that just happened to not pay off because they lost against the US.

[Heloin]

You tend to show only the good bits when you're raraing a nation. It doesn't mean they're hiding from that part of their history, quite the opposite.

It isn't anything to be ashamed of in my view.

Turns out everyone who isn't you generally agree the Nazis are irredeemably bad.

Japan under Abe for example, isn't afraid to embrace the positive aspects of their colonialist period and accepts the Pacific theater of World War II as being a great effort on their part that just happened to not pay off because they lost against the US.

"We slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people and committed untold atrocities for a horrible empire then got war crimed by the Americans." Yeah, sounds like a time period to embrace with pride...

[Washington Resistance Army]

You tend to show only the good bits when you're raraing a nation. It doesn't mean they're hiding from that part of their history, quite the opposite.

It isn't anything to be ashamed of in my view. Japan under Abe for example, isn't afraid to embrace the positive aspects of their colonialist period and accepts the Pacific theater of World War II as being a great effort on their part that just happened to not pay off because they lost against the US.

Even from a Nazi point of view there's nothing but shame in the Third Reich. It was cast down and destroyed, by its own ideological premises it had no right to exist and should be forgotten.

[Cannot think of a name]

You tend to show only the good bits when you're raraing a nation. It doesn't mean they're hiding from that part of their history, quite the opposite.

It isn't anything to be ashamed of in my view.

The self avowed white supremacist doesn't see anything wrong with the Third Reich shocker.

And the accomplishments during that time are mentioned even though they're not in your precious video. Audi just aquirred one of the Auto Union Type Ds from Russia, a car that broke the land speed record as part of an effort to demonstrate German industry and the newly constructed Autobahn. They display the other two. While obviously context is important Reifenstahl's movies are still studied.

Saying that they don't because they don't show it in some random video is...pretty fucking ridiculous. You kind of don't know anything about modern Germany, do you?

[Saiwania]

I know enough about modern Germany to conclude that I broadly speaking, just don't approve of its political scene and how it is being run. Germany has many laws or policies I'd like to see repealed or rolled back, such as their laws on hate speech and any that stifle political parties that aren't centrist/status quo enough, plus their immigration needs to be more limited. At minimum, I'd move to dismantle the Soviet war memorials that currently exist within German territory.

[Cannot think of a name]

"What I don't like about this house is that it's not on fire..."

[Gorgashia]

Hm. I think I have to go with the usual fourth option a lot of people have said, history is something I definitely take interest in but not exactly pride or shame. I find history to be a fascinating, inspiring, harrowing, beautiful, ugly, and complex thing to study, but I do not think I feel pride or shame in it. I can certainly say parts of it can make me feel intense joy, and other parts can make me feel intense sadness; I certainly feel something, lots of things even. I think, closest to pride and/or shame, I feel responsibility towards my history. I am responsible to learn as much as I can from it, to help others learn from it, and to act accordingly in the present based on what has happened in the past when problems steeped in history crop up.

So, I'd probably give the dude lauding my country a polite "thanks" (it feels rude to dump a paragraph of historiographical philosophy on someone giving a compliment that harmless to me) and let the conversation go wherever it goes from there.

[Dakini]

I know enough about modern Germany to conclude that I broadly speaking, just don't approve of its political scene and how it is being run. Germany has many laws or policies I'd like to see repealed or rolled back, such as their laws on hate speech and any that stifle political parties that aren't centrist/status quo enough, plus their immigration needs to be more limited. At minimum, I'd move to dismantle the Soviet war memorials that currently exist within German territory.

So basically, you want the Nazis back because you think that they were doing good. Shocker.

[Saiwania]

So basically, you want the Nazis back because you think that they were doing good. Shocker.

I'd settle for a return of Imperial era Germany if I had to chose one period in terms of aesthetics. Only perhaps bringing back the Kaiser can be left out. Fact is, Russia did Germany no favors when it was the Soviet Union. The Soviet war monuments should go because East Germany is no more. The slate has been wiped clean between the two I'd say. The score is even. Some Soviet influences can be kept for history purposes, but ideally it'll be reduced in influence if not removed.

The true future of Germany is leading NATO/EU and not being in Russia's camp.

[Heloin]

So basically, you want the Nazis back because you think that they were doing good. Shocker.

I'd settle for a return of Imperial era Germany if I had to chose one period in terms of aesthetics.

Ah yes, everyone's favourite white supremacist aesthetic for pretending they aren't just Nazis.

[Ethel mermania]

I'd settle for a return of Imperial era Germany if I had to chose one period in terms of aesthetics.

Ah yes, everyone's favourite white supremacist aesthetic for pretending they aren't just Nazis.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/221977519616?c ... gKFG_D_BwE

[Rio Cana]

So basically, you want the Nazis back because you think that they were doing good. Shocker.

I'd settle for a return of Imperial era Germany if I had to chose one period in terms of aesthetics. Only perhaps bringing back the Kaiser can be left out. Fact is, Russia did Germany no favors when it was the Soviet Union. The Soviet war monuments should go because East Germany is no more. The slate has been wiped clean between the two I'd say. The score is even. Some Soviet influences can be kept for history purposes, but ideally it'll be reduced in influence if not removed.

The true future of Germany is leading NATO/EU and not being in Russia's camp.

Not if Poland and some of the other Eastern/Central European nations have there way.

[Infected Mushroom]

I am very happy to see that this thread has generated such productive discussion and so much critical thinking.

I was inspired to make the thread because I have great respect for the history and achievements of Germany. I was also very impressed when I visited years ago; it is a perfect mix of tradition and modernity.

[Greater-Bharat]

2nd one easily.While Germany is rich in great culture and history,the holocaust and other atrocities in both wars (Rape of Belgium,massacres of Polish citizens and Soviet soldiers,burning of Soviet villages) should not ever be forgotten.The holocaust is the genocide and is the idea of a genocide.I have been to both Auschwitz and Dachau.The scratch marks at Dachau are horiffic and make you sick.That is the exact reason I support Israel but let's not change the subject.Overall,the autrocities should not be forgotten and you should be proud of all but that


Also,us Brits wouldn't reply "yeah I guess".If we are english at least,we are called "racist" and "imperialist"
Jesus,lemme be proud my ancestors saved the world from the Nazis,started the industrial revolution or conquered 1/4 the world and ruled the waves without being called a "racist" or whatever

No, you guys were no better than the nazis.

[Ethel mermania]

2nd one easily.While Germany is rich in great culture and history,the holocaust and other atrocities in both wars (Rape of Belgium,massacres of Polish citizens and Soviet soldiers,burning of Soviet villages) should not ever be forgotten.The holocaust is the genocide and is the idea of a genocide.I have been to both Auschwitz and Dachau.The scratch marks at Dachau are horiffic and make you sick.That is the exact reason I support Israel but let's not change the subject.Overall,the autrocities should not be forgotten and you should be proud of all but that


Also,us Brits wouldn't reply "yeah I guess".If we are english at least,we are called "racist" and "imperialist"
Jesus,lemme be proud my ancestors saved the world from the Nazis,started the industrial revolution or conquered 1/4 the world and ruled the waves without being called a "racist" or whatever

No, you guys were no better than the nazis.

Churchill was a better dancer than Hitler, a better painter, he told funnier jokes.

[HISPIDA]

No, you guys were no better than the nazis.

Churchill was a better dancer than Hitler, a better painter, he told funnier jokes.

He also had an unpublished manuscript on aliens which I really wanna read.

[Christian Confederation]

I'd settle for a return of Imperial era Germany if I had to chose one period in terms of aesthetics. Only perhaps bringing back the Kaiser can be left out. Fact is, Russia did Germany no favors when it was the Soviet Union. The Soviet war monuments should go because East Germany is no more. The slate has been wiped clean between the two I'd say. The score is even. Some Soviet influences can be kept for history purposes, but ideally it'll be reduced in influence if not removed.

The true future of Germany is leading NATO/EU and not being in Russia's camp.

Not if Poland and some of the other Eastern/Central European nations have there way.

The Only reason Poland and Hungary are still in the EU is it helps there economy

[The Blaatschapen]

So basically, you want the Nazis back because you think that they were doing good. Shocker.

I'd settle for a return of Imperial era Germany if I had to chose one period in terms of aesthetics. Only perhaps bringing back the Kaiser can be left out. Fact is, Russia did Germany no favors when it was the Soviet Union. The Soviet war monuments should go because East Germany is no more. The slate has been wiped clean between the two I'd say. The score is even. Some Soviet influences can be kept for history purposes, but ideally it'll be reduced in influence if not removed.

The true future of Germany is leading NATO/EU and not being in Russia's camp.

Germany is not in Russia's camp. And is doing quite a bit of leading in the EU, so yay

The soviet war monuments have to be kept since they're part of the deal of reunification.

[Christian Confederation]

I'd settle for a return of Imperial era Germany if I had to chose one period in terms of aesthetics. Only perhaps bringing back the Kaiser can be left out. Fact is, Russia did Germany no favors when it was the Soviet Union. The Soviet war monuments should go because East Germany is no more. The slate has been wiped clean between the two I'd say. The score is even. Some Soviet influences can be kept for history purposes, but ideally it'll be reduced in influence if not removed.

The true future of Germany is leading NATO/EU and not being in Russia's camp.

Germany is not in Russia's camp. And is doing quite a bit of leading in the EU, so yay

The soviet war monuments have to be kept since they're part of the deal of reunification.

So was keeping NATO West of Germany. There's a reason the German People call the Soviet War memorials the tomb of the unknown rapest

[The Blaatschapen]

Germany is not in Russia's camp. And is doing quite a bit of leading in the EU, so yay

The soviet war monuments have to be kept since they're part of the deal of reunification.

So was keeping NATO West of Germany. There's a reason the German People call the Soviet War memorials the tomb of the unknown rapest

Expanding NATO is not solely Germany's domain. So blame the US as well.

The two are not comparable items.