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NSInvestigator - Reveal the puppets

Postby IKTeam » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:09 pm

NSInvestigator - Reveal the secrets!

Hello! Today I'd want to present my new program.
It's a simple, yet quite effective utility. It allows anyone to scan a nation for suspicious trade activity. In other words, that allows you to reveal any possible puppets of a suspected country.

How does it work? It's quite simple. A program scans the deck of a suspected nation and figures out the nations that have sent the card, their regions, as well as market value vs. price the suspected nation has paid. It allows to track gifts, unusually priced cards, or just bank transfers.

Keep in mind the program doesn't guarantee success in revealing all the puppets of a nation. If used properly, it might make it a lot easier to track down puppets of a specific nation.

Either way, have fun experimenting!
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Postby Queen Yuno » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:35 pm

This is very interesting lol

Why would this info matter though?

Are people in Cards trying to low-ball their payments? "I'm a random noob that wants your card, I'm not rich", then you use this script, and check and find out they've got 1000 bank on their account and can pay double.
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Postby IKTeam » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:49 pm

Queen Yuno wrote:Why would this info matter though?

This software shows that puppets are not something you can hide. Just an easier way for ones that are looking for such information :)

Minskiev wrote:1984

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Postby Spode humbLed minions » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:56 pm

So... we can catch people using puppets as card farms?

Why use?
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Postby Hulldom » Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:58 pm

Queen Yuno wrote:This is very interesting lol

Why would this info matter though?

Are people in Cards trying to low-ball their payments? "I'm a random noob that wants your card, I'm not rich", then you use this script, and check and find out they've got 1000 bank on their account and can pay double.

This, really. I’m not seeing a point to this. Okay could very easily see it being abused by fanatics, but I don’t really see any use for it by us normies.
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Postby South Americanastan » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:01 pm

IKTeam wrote:NSInvestigator - Reveal the secrets!

Hello! Today I'd want to present my new program.
It's a simple, yet quite effective utility. It allows anyone to scan a nation for suspicious trade activity. In other words, that allows you to reveal any possible puppets of a suspected country.

How does it work? It's quite simple. A program scans the deck of a suspected nation and figures out the nations that have sent the card, their regions, as well as market value vs. price the suspected nation has paid. It allows to track gifts, unusually priced cards, or just bank transfers.

Keep in mind the program doesn't guarantee success in revealing all the puppets of a nation. If used properly, it might make it a lot easier to track down puppets of a specific nation.

Either way, have fun experimenting!
(Image)
https://github.com/kolya5544/NSInvestigator/releases/

While this is intended for cards, I could see this help track down both raider and defender puppets, specifically those of Raiders or Defenders who are into trading cards.
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Postby Nova Vandalia » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:06 pm

I think it's a neat concept, and shows that you can develop programs to track certain movements in this case card and things to give you a reliable indication that they maybe be up to no good. So I do think that it's pretty cool, but most people trying to be sneaky don't card farm with the puppets they use to be sneaky, I think for that the most reliable way is more than likely still off site IP scrapes on Regional Forums. I do think this concept shows that there might be other metrics that can be examined via the API and a program to give us some indication though.
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Postby Fatimida » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:08 pm

This is actually 1984
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Postby Durm » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:45 pm

There is already a script that shows the main nation's name next to the puppet's name.

Also, card farmers often trade cards by gifting them to each other.

And why would anyone gift cards from a secret puppet to their main nation?
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Postby Comfed » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:08 pm

If you could make a tool to somehow catch sleepers, it would be interesting, not so sure about card farms.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:14 pm

Hulldom wrote:
Queen Yuno wrote:This is very interesting lol

Why would this info matter though?

Are people in Cards trying to low-ball their payments? "I'm a random noob that wants your card, I'm not rich", then you use this script, and check and find out they've got 1000 bank on their account and can pay double.

This, really. I’m not seeing a point to this. Okay could very easily see it being abused by fanatics, but I don’t really see any use for it by us normies.

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Postby Kylia Quilor » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:52 pm

Solution: Don't do cards with puppets you're trying to keep secret. Boom, done.
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Postby Hanovereich » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:57 am

Sometimes you might want to get more cards, but your main account doesn't give you that much. More puppets = more chance of getting better cards.
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:04 pm

Yes, but if you want to keep a puppet secret, you're not going to do use cards on it. Or at least not trade them back to your main.
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Postby Parxland » Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:02 am

I can see this being against the rules
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:13 am

Parxland wrote:I can see this being against the rules


What rule is being broken?

If so, report it :)
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Postby Neo Kervoskia » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:20 pm

Damn. Now everyone will know I'm actually just a Unibot puppet.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:56 pm

Kylia Quilor wrote:Solution: Don't do cards with puppets you're trying to keep secret. Boom, done.

Better solution: Don't do cards.

But actually though, a substantive comment: OP, have you verified that this script is legal?

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Postby The Python » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:59 pm

Neo Kervoskia wrote:Damn. Now everyone will know I'm actually just a Unibot puppet.

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Kylia Quilor wrote:Solution: Don't do cards with puppets you're trying to keep secret. Boom, done.

Better solution: Don't do cards.

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Postby South Americanastan » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:30 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:Solution: Don't do cards with puppets you're trying to keep secret. Boom, done.

Better solution: Don't do cards.

But actually though, a substantive comment: OP, have you verified that this script is legal?

Remember kids, if someone offers you free cards, just say no.
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Postby IKTeam » Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:06 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:But actually though, a substantive comment: OP, have you verified that this script is legal?


This script uses API, just like any program should, when interacting with NationStates.

All the information the program has access to is open for anyone to see, the program just processes and filters it. There is nothing rulebreaking in using API.
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Postby Parxland » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:24 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Parxland wrote:I can see this being against the rules


What rule is being broken?

If so, report it :)


That's not a bad idea.
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Postby Syberis » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:09 am

Neo Kervoskia wrote:Damn. Now everyone will know I'm actually just a Unibot puppet.


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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:06 am

There seem to be two reactions here: (1) "1984" "Big Brother" and (2) "this doesn't actually do anything". The second reaction is correct. It's as if you said "If you sign your name to this letter, you might be determined to be the author!". Well yea, that would in fact mean your activities are detectable. Just don't sign.

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