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[SUBMITTED] Accord on Mass Telegrams

Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:49 pm

Hey y'all! I think something most of us can agree on is that mass tag:wa telegrams are awful. I couldn't think of something better to discourage using our about to be newfound power to issue Declarations. As drafted this resolution would request that nations refrain from sending tag:wa recruitment or campaign telegrams. Would love thoughts!

The Security Council,

Recognizing that nations may send telegrams to other nations;

Irritated that some nations abuse this ability to send telegrams to every World Assembly Member in order to campaign for resolutions or entice nations to move regions;

Supporting the ability of nations to choose how to vote on individual resolutions and move regions free of the nuisance of unsolicited telegrams;

Hoping that nations will cease this practice;

Further recognizing that many regions rely on recruitment of new nations via telegram to maintain a steady population and that many proposal authors must send telegrams to WA Delegates to ensure their proposal reaches queue;

Clarifying that this declaration does not refer to either of these practices;

Hereby requests that mass telegrams sent in order to campaign for resolutions or entice nations to move regions not be sent to all World Assembly Members.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:51 pm

Then how do UCRs survive?

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Postby Democratized Peoples » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:54 pm

Jedinsto wrote:Then how do UCRs survive?

Most UCRs explicitly don't allow tag:wa recruitment telegrams to be sent. Some retaliate against them as well. This doesn't restrict the ability to recruit to new nations, just condemns tag:wa telegrams.

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:55 pm

Ah I see. Support, then. $20 to annoy the whole playerbase is a waste of money and just annoying.

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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:56 pm

Thanks for the support!

Sidenote: Oops! Was on the wrong account when I posted this. If reviewed favorable it will be submitted from this account.

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Postby Astrobolt » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:57 pm

I doubt this declaration would actually reduce the amount of annoying campaigns and telegrams though.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:58 pm

Well yeah remember, you should actually get some decent feedback before submission. Plus, the category hasn't officially been implemented yet :P

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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:58 pm

Astrobolt wrote:I doubt this declaration would actually reduce the amount of annoying campaigns and telegrams though.

To be honest I'm sceptical that any declaration will help solve the problem it aims to solve. However I think this is a worthwhile thing to declare if we are given the option.

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The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Sidenote: Oops! Was on the wrong account when I posted this. If reviewed favorable it will be submitted from this account.

Fixed that for you.

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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:12 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:Sidenote: Oops! Was on the wrong account when I posted this. If reviewed favorable it will be submitted from this account.

Fixed that for you.

Thanks Sedge!

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:28 pm

If you don't want to receive them, you can block them. Don't complain about your failure to click a button.
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Postby Lycos » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:31 pm

I don't get it. Do I like WA campaign TGs? No. Do I usually vote the opposite way in spite? Yes. Do I think they're a perfectly legitimate means of outreach and campaigning? Absolutely. This proposal is way too broad.

If you don't want to see campaigns or recruitment, adjust your telegram filters.
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:36 pm

Wallenburg wrote:If you don't want to receive them, you can block them. Don't complain about your failure to click a button.
Lycos wrote:I don't get it. Do I like WA campaign TGs? No. Do I usually vote the opposite way in spite? Yes. Do I think they're a perfectly legitimate means of outreach and campaigning? Absolutely. This proposal is way too broad.

If you don't want to see campaigns or recruitment, adjust your telegram filters.

Wallenburg wrote:If you don't want to receive them, you can block them. Don't complain about your failure to click a button.

This isn't a proposal to ban the use of the tag:wa telegram. It's a request by the Security Council for people to not use them.

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Postby Lycos » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:39 pm

The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:If you don't want to receive them, you can block them. Don't complain about your failure to click a button.
Lycos wrote:I don't get it. Do I like WA campaign TGs? No. Do I usually vote the opposite way in spite? Yes. Do I think they're a perfectly legitimate means of outreach and campaigning? Absolutely. This proposal is way too broad.

If you don't want to see campaigns or recruitment, adjust your telegram filters.

Wallenburg wrote:If you don't want to receive them, you can block them. Don't complain about your failure to click a button.

This isn't a proposal to ban the use of the tag:wa telegram. It's a request by the Security Council for people to not use them.

That addresses exactly nothing. There is already an airtight mechanic in place wherein you can block all campaign or recruitment telegrams, which comprise the vast majority of tag:wa TGs. If you don't like them, you can take steps to prevent your getting them.
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:41 pm

Lycos wrote:
The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:
This isn't a proposal to ban the use of the tag:wa telegram. It's a request by the Security Council for people to not use them.

That addresses exactly nothing. There is already an airtight mechanic in place wherein you can block all campaign or recruitment telegrams, which comprise the vast majority of tag:wa TGs. If you don't like them, you can take steps to prevent your getting them.

That's just not a good argument. There's already an issues mechanic, so why have the WA? Regions can recognize people, so why have commends?

It's kinda reductive to say just because someone can opt-out (which many nations might not know how to) that the WA shouldn't do anything about something you agree is annoying and causes you to change your vote.

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The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:
Lycos wrote:That addresses exactly nothing. There is already an airtight mechanic in place wherein you can block all campaign or recruitment telegrams, which comprise the vast majority of tag:wa TGs. If you don't like them, you can take steps to prevent your getting them.

That's just not a good argument. There's already an issues mechanic, so why have the WA? Regions can recognize people, so why have commends?

It's kinda reductive to say just because someone can opt-out (which many nations might not know how to) that the WA shouldn't do anything about something you agree is annoying and causes you to change your vote.

You can leave the WA at any time. If you don't like what it offers, nobody is forcing you to have it affect your stats or anything else.

Also, WA TGs aren't usually annoying. I'm damned sure you don't receive a lot, seeing as you aren't a delegate.
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Postby Varanius » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:40 pm

I’d be in favor if it only applied to the WA Compliance Commission TGs.
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:45 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Nation of the People of the Nation wrote:That's just not a good argument. There's already an issues mechanic, so why have the WA? Regions can recognize people, so why have commends?

It's kinda reductive to say just because someone can opt-out (which many nations might not know how to) that the WA shouldn't do anything about something you agree is annoying and causes you to change your vote.

You can leave the WA at any time. If you don't like what it offers, nobody is forcing you to have it affect your stats or anything else.

Also, WA TGs aren't usually annoying. I'm damned sure you don't receive a lot, seeing as you aren't a delegate.

This isn't for delegate tg's for a reason. I think those are darn near the only way proposals are sent to quorum. Once again "leave if you don't like it" isn't exactly the best policy.

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Postby Weed » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:51 pm

When you join an organization that exists to debate and vote on legislation it is not a shock someone might talk to you about your vote on a resolution.

We should not limit recruitment to only new nations.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:20 pm

If you don't like recruitment, block the category.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:26 pm

So how are authors supposed to get 6% of the approvals needed on a submitted proposal to reach quorum? Because from what I have seen not a single proposal can reach quorum these days without a campaign telegram being sent to notify the delegates that a proposal has been submitted and is awaiting approval.

If you mean telegrams sent during a vote that is another matter, but frankly, if you don't want to receive them you can simply block them in Preferences. A resolution like this isn't going to do anything about the TGs, and frankly, can the Security Council even pass such resolutions?
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Postby Overthinkers » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:19 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:A resolution like this isn't going to do anything about the TGs, and frankly, can the Security Council even pass such resolutions?

I will say that this resolution is supposed to be a statement of opinion, not intended to functionally ban them.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:41 pm

Actually, I might just cough up the 20 bucks to do a WA-wide campaign against this, if it were ever to go to Vote.
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Postby Comfed » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:46 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Actually, I might just cough up the 20 bucks to do a WA-wide campaign against this, if it were ever to go to Vote.

If you do that, it'll just make me want to vote for it :P

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Wallenburg wrote:Actually, I might just cough up the 20 bucks to do a WA-wide campaign against this, if it were ever to go to Vote.

If you do that, it'll just make me want to vote for it :P

Perhaps, but the irony of it all would be a lot of fun for me personally.
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