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[DRAFT] Against Quorum Raiding

Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:28 am

The World Assembly,

Defining quorum raiding as the act of unseating delegates approving a World Assembly proposal in order to prevent the approved proposal from reaching quorum and going to vote,

Understanding that historically, quorum raiding was used as an anti-fascist tactic and was used exclusively in order to prevent any subscriber of this particularly vile ideology from promoting themselves or spreading propaganda to the eyes of thousands of world leaders, and billions of people,

Concerned, however, that the practice has evolved beyond that of merely preventing the spread of fascism and similar ideologies, turning into an alternative for counter-campaigning any telegram getting to vote, allowing the opinion of a few to be much more forcefully shot down without any actual consent from the approving delegates,

Believing that quorum raiding undermines the democratic right of the collective delegates of the World Assembly and subjects them to be momentarily dethroned,

Observing that past use of quorum raiding and similar tactics have proven to be harmful to the establishment of the World Assembly and its participants, discouraging many delegates with smaller endorsement counts to abstain altogether from approving proposals out of fear of retaliation, making it significantly harder for proposals to reach vote following instances of quorum raiding,

Noting that using non-combative means of preventing a proposal from going to vote, including but not limited to informative counter-campaigns and outreach, serve to prevent conflict and alleviate tension regarding World Assembly proposals,

Hereby;

  1. Proclaims its unwavering opposition to quorum raiding as an expression of opinion on any individual proposal or author,
  2. Urges militaries to immediately cease quorum raiding operations except in cases where the concerned proposal will serve as a tool for propaganda for any particularly hateful ideology or any region or nation which legitimately adheres to said ideology, and the only regions targeted by the operation are supporters of such an ideology,
  3. Further urges militaries wishing to quorum raid a proposal excepted from clause two to only do so after extensive forethought and as a last resort,
  4. Praises the use of alternative means in achieving one’s own personal goals within the World Assembly, especially through use of non-militaristic diplomacy and personal discourse with delegates where concerned,
  5. Reminds nations, regardless of actual militaristic ideology, to remember that the World Assembly as an organization should not suffer due to personal political ambitions of any one individual, nation, region, or other organization, regardless of the adherence to this resolution, and asks them to act with good intentions towards the World Assembly, its inhabitants, and the world at large.

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:28 am

Well I did it, have fun yelling at me. /reserved
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:30 am

Category ain't even announced for one day (let alone implemented) and we already churning out mundane, boring cookie cutter proposals. Sigh.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:30 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Category ain't even announced for one day (let alone implemented) and we already churning out mundane, boring cookie cutter proposals. Sigh.

Did you expect anything better from my clown ass?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:31 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Category ain't even announced for one day (let alone implemented) and we already churning out mundane, boring cookie cutter proposals. Sigh.

Did you expect anything better from my clown ass?

No. 8)

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Postby Trellania » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:32 am

Jedinsto wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Category ain't even announced for one day (let alone implemented) and we already churning out mundane, boring cookie cutter proposals. Sigh.

Did you expect anything better from my clown ass?


Yes. I expect at least something dealing with balloon animals.

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:33 am

There's very little to discuss here beyond to note that there are legitimate circumstances where quorum raiding can and should be undertaken, and that I am against this declaration.
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Postby Astrobolt » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:33 am

Full support for the idea in principle.

I might have some substantive suggestions at a later date.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:35 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:There's very little to discuss here beyond to note that there are legitimate circumstances where quorum raiding can and should be undertaken, and that I am against this declaration.

What are the legitimate circumstances?

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:37 am

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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:41 am

Opposed (as an almost-victim of quorum raiding but TWPAF jumped about thirty seconds too late). There is no reason why quorum-raiding should be treated any differently to a standard counter-campaign when both have the same effects on the WA queue and toppled delegates are usually restored at the next update anyway.
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:46 am

Full support in principle.

1. You could cite some events involving in queue raiding.

2. ‘Strongly suggests’ clause is a little too passive aggressive for the WA.

3. The resolution could call on member-states to take action to counteract and oppose queue raiding.

4. I think the resolution should emphasize that queue raiding isn’t just an affront to WA proposals but an affront to the World Assembly itself in interfering with its democratic process. You’re trying to take someone’s vote away from them, effectively.

This is what distinguishes queue raiding from normal counter-campaigning.

5. Maybe a fancier title like “Convention against queue raiding” ? would be nice if it fits under the title length restriction.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:46 am

Tinhampton wrote:Opposed (as an almost-victim of quorum raiding but TWPAF jumped about thirty seconds too late). There is no reason why quorum-raiding should be treated any differently to a standard counter-campaign when both have the same effects on the WA queue and toppled delegates are usually restored at the next update anyway.

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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:59 am

I look forward to quorum raiding this should it be submitted.

I am not exactly invested in this passing or failing, personally; after all, raiding in general is disliked by the majority of NS users, or at least a vocal minority. It does nothing in effect to stop quorum raiding, and it will bind no one.

However, it is important to note that this proposal is silly in addition to being pointless. You are outright calling an action "evil" without considering that nuance might be found in the context. If a fascist region were to push a proposal to gain themselves attention, it would be an entirely different matter than if a group of raiders overtook several delegacies in order to block an SC proposal because they wished to stop it from reaching a vote. Both are entirely valid, as far as I am concerned, but the context does alter things for most. The latter is far more easily categorised as "evil", whereas the former is in the spirit of a goal the majority of regions agree with. Therefore, to simply call something "bad" as an action while ignoring any and all context that might give a different perspective on things is not a sentiment I believe many should support. But we will see how it goes.
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:03 am

For fascism and stuff I personally still do not support quorum raiding their proposals but I will add some form of exception for stuff like that so quorum raiding fascists isn't actively discouraged as a compromise.

Edit: Btw the entire category does nothing and is a lil pointless. Opposing a declaration for declaring things instead of mandating things is not good.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:04 am

How about:

Believing that the practice of quorum raiding undermines the democratic will of the collective nations of the world and subjects them to the momentary military domination of a faction,

Calling upon member nations, regions, and organisations composed thereof to oppose that practice, by force if necessary, ...

Provide some exceptions for proposals made by those who themselves are quorum raiding or support ideologies that want to visit violence on others, that would be set. It also would test whether we're willing to make this kind of resolution into a call for action rather than just a "sense of the Assembly" sort of proposal.

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:05 am

This will be included in a re-draft after I eat. Would you like co-author credit IA?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:07 am

Jedinsto wrote:This will be included in a re-draft after I eat. Would you like co-author credit IA?

Probably not, I'm not really an SC'er.

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Postby Unibot III » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:14 am

Jedinsto wrote:For fascism and stuff I personally still do not support quorum raiding their proposals but I will add some form of exception for stuff like that so quorum raiding fascists isn't actively discouraged as a compromise.

Edit: Btw the entire category does nothing and is a lil pointless. Opposing a declaration for declaring things instead of mandating things is not good.


I think this compromise would severely weaken the resolution. Victims of queue raiding aren’t related to the nominee or target of the raid.
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Postby Herby » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:44 am

Can someone explain to me what the hell is going on? I don’t see any announcement about any new categories.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:50 am

Herby wrote:Can someone explain to me what the hell is going on? I don’t see any announcement about any new categories.

See: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=506661 - also worth reading: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=506452

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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:05 pm

Unibot III wrote:Victims of queue raiding aren’t related to the nominee or target of the raid.

I know. I agree with you here. There has been enough dissent towards actively discouraging quorum raiding that I will exempt it. Next draft now in progress.
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Postby Varanius » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:28 pm

So who wants to quorum raid this
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Postby Jedinsto » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:33 pm

Varanius wrote:So who wants to quorum raid this

: Pikathink:
Anyways, draft done.
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Postby Overthinkers » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:59 pm

Varanius wrote:So who wants to quorum raid this

Anyone who is interested, y'all know where to find me.
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