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Postby Debussy » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:50 pm

Unfortunately, Domais is busy. They have given me their proposal to further work on and submit.

Rewrite. I would like to thank my community and people here for connecting me with historical resources. Domais said it was ok to be listed as a co-author.

The Security Council,

Recognizing the nation of Imkiville, also known as Imkihca, for their incredible leadership during an extremely turbulent time in Lazarene history, leadership that should be exemplified by those who wish to advance the mission of this Council,

Noting that in July of 2017, Civil War started to brew in Lazarus when long time native and then current Delegate, Funkadelia, alongside their cohorts, Killer Kitty and Lamb Stone, began abusing their authority to import voters and subvert laws,

Observing that the unstable situation came to a boiling point on the 24th of July when Funkadelia, aided by then Guardian, Killer Kitty, ejected several high-ranking government members, including three Guardians and the Vice-Delegate, on conspiracy charges, effectively ending the Celestial Union of Lazarus,

Remarking that on the 27th of August, with political opposition out of the way, the perpetrators of the overthrow established the Undead Dominion of Lazarus, a despotic regime that was a sharp regression from the democratic practices of the prior government,

Recording that when Funkadelia stepped down on the 12th of March 2018, the Undead Dominion was replaced by the Khanate of Lazarus, a perverse distortion of government that further denigrated the integrity of the region,

Relieved that on the 23rd of April 2018, with Lazarus 10 months into its Civil War, Imkiville successfully overthrew the then leader of the Khanate, Killer Kitty, and established a period of Anarchy, which was widely supported by the international community,

Applauding that during the aforementioned period, Imkiville allowed natives that were previously banished to return to Lazarus while simultaneously allowing those supportive of the previous government to remain, going as far as appointing Killer Kitty to the Council of Lazarene Security once the new government was established,

Admiring the intentions of the Peace Keeping Agreement, a document signed by Imkiville and the governments of Osiris, The Rejected Realms, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, The South Pacific, and The Pacific, that outlined a new Constitutional Convention for Lazarus to be run by a group of former Lazarene Delegates,

Believing that while the Constitutional Convention had been build on good intentions, it did not result in an environment conducive to reconciliation, and that when Imkiville dissolved the convention and installed Mandate XII, it was the best move to start repairing burnt bridges,

Celebrating that the government of Lazarus set up by Imkiville is still stable, resulting in the region’s longest serving Delegate, Treadwellia, and an environment for the residents of Lazarus to work cooperatively,

Appreciating the contributions Imkiville has made to The South Pacific, most notably their work as Minister of Military Affairs, where they are credited with reviving the South Pacific Special Forces and creating the foundations that have made it a successful force to this day,

Marveling at the many beautiful and influential artworks produced by Imkiville, such as the flag of Lazarus, the crest of the South Pacific Special Forces, and countless other voluntary and commissioned works,

Asserting that the contributions of Imkiville should not be overlooked and merit recognition from this Council, and that awesome is the best description of the nation,

Hereby Commends Imkiville.

Co-Authored by Domais.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:52 pm

Support in principle but this is a bit skinny as it stands. Will this be submitted by Domais?
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Postby Debussy » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:53 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Support in principle but this is a bit skinny as it stands. Will this be submitted by Domais?

No, I will be submitting it.

I agree. I've posted the thread on some discord channels in an attempt to hunt down more information.

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Postby The Python » Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:56 pm

Commendable nominee! But:
Debussy wrote:Praising the government of Imkiville for producing countless national and regional artworks that have influenced cultures throughout the multiverse, including:

"national and regional artwork" sounds like cards work "international artwork" :P can you clarify that?
Debussy wrote:Admiring Imkiville's contributions to the South Pacific, serving as Vice-Delegate, Local Councilor, and Minister of Military Affairs, and that during its tenure as Minister of Military Affairs, they are credited with the revival of the South Pacific Special Forces, allowing it to reach its potential as a powerful force,

What do these positions do? I know, but someone who isn't familiar with TSP or NS might not know, especially the Local Councillor part.
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Postby Debussy » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:03 pm

The Python wrote:Commendable nominee! But:
Debussy wrote:Praising the government of Imkiville for producing countless national and regional artworks that have influenced cultures throughout the multiverse, including:

"national and regional artwork" sounds like cards work "international artwork" :P can you clarify that?
Debussy wrote:Admiring Imkiville's contributions to the South Pacific, serving as Vice-Delegate, Local Councilor, and Minister of Military Affairs, and that during its tenure as Minister of Military Affairs, they are credited with the revival of the South Pacific Special Forces, allowing it to reach its potential as a powerful force,

What do these positions do? I know, but someone who isn't familiar with TSP or NS might not know, especially the Local Councillor part.

The clause is pretty clear. A nation can't produce cards.

I don't think SC proposals need to cater to people who aren't familiar with NS.

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Postby Jedinsto » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:27 pm

Make sure to provide proof to the mods that you have permission to use this person’s work.
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Postby Debussy » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:30 pm

Jedinsto wrote:Make sure to provide proof to the mods that you have permission to use this person’s work.

Thanks. I'll ask Dom to post here when they get the chance.
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Postby The Python » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:41 pm

Debussy wrote:
The Python wrote:Commendable nominee! But:

"national and regional artwork" sounds like cards work "international artwork" :P can you clarify that?

What do these positions do? I know, but someone who isn't familiar with TSP or NS might not know, especially the Local Councillor part.

The clause is pretty clear. A nation can't produce cards.

I still think you should replace "countless national and regional artworks" "countless national and regional graphics designs" or smth. Up to you though :p
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:03 am

Sorry but the list of graphics at the start is just not Commendable and should be removed. The rest of the draft needs a lot of filling out in my opinion.

It’s a reasonable start.
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Postby Debussy » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:53 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Sorry but the list of graphics at the start is just not Commendable and should be removed. The rest of the draft needs a lot of filling out in my opinion.

It’s a reasonable start.

I removed the list.

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Postby Religious Lennox » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:11 am

Support this. Seems like a pretty decent proposal.

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Postby Zukchiva » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:42 am

Much support for the nominee.

I'll give some feedback later but in general I agree with what others have said: needs more stuff but it is a good start.
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Postby Aenglaland » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:43 am

Now here's something I'd gladly support
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Postby Zukchiva » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:19 pm

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The Security Council,
 
Praising the government of Imkiville, also known as Imkihca, for their incredible leadership during a turbulent time in history, leadership that exemplifies the mission of this Council,

Marvelling at the beautiful artworks produced by Imkiville that have influenced cultures throughout the multiverse,
Since you seem to be going into Lazarus from the first clause, I'd recommend shoving this graphics clause to the bottom or right above the TSP clause.  

Recognizing Imkiville’s long lasting, positive impact on Lazarus, a region that was raked with Civil War, by successfully overthrowing the then Delegate of Lazarus, Killer Kitty, which paved the way for a new government that would heal many of the wounds from the previous conflict,
Context is needed here. Not everyone knows what happened in Lazarus prior to Imki's coup. Why was Killer Kitty so "bad" that it was good that Imki couped? I would put like a sentence explaining that, or at least part of one, before delving into the rest of this.

I feel like you could explore this a little bit more. I'm not extremely well-versed in what Imki did in Lazarus, but from what I did know Imki did some pretty amazing things.

One thing you could try is narrating the steps Imki took to setting Lazarus up, each with its own clause (or maybe just merge them all into one mega-list). Mainly thinking about the Anarchy period, the Peacekeeping Agreement, the Constitution Convention (which I've heard was a slagfire but still could deserve a mention for an attempt to create a new government for Laz with native input), and the institution of Mandate 12.
 
Applauding that Imkiville allowed natives that were previously banished to return to Lazarus while simultaneously allowing those supportive of the previous government to remain, going as far as to appoint Killer Kitty an auditor, a position responsible for regional security,
This is good, but the latter part about KK doesn't really work unless you explain why Imki was the good person here like I mentioned earlier.
 
Observing that even after Imkiville resigned as Delegate of Lazarus, the nation remained as a Security Auditor of Lazarus, and its government continued to produce and aid in the production of many national and regional artworks,
I would make a separate clause about what Imki did as Delegate- surely they did somethings noteworthy as they were the first Delegate right after a coup.

Also, not sure that Imki staying around after their Delegacy is necessarily commendable- many Delegates do that. I don't really mind this clause that much as I can tell it's more of a "Imki stayed to make sure Laz continued to function" kinda thing, but I feel you may catch some opposition to this.

Noting that the government of Lazarus, which was set up by Imkiville, is still stable, resulting in the region’s longest serving Delegate, Treadwellia, and an environment for residents of Lazarus to work cooperatively,
Would be more specific here. Exactly how did Imki set up the government? What parts of the government set up have directly contributed to this environment of cooperation? I'd also mention somewhere specifically how Treadwellia and their Delegacy's stability is a direct result of Imki- you imply it but it isnt explicit.   
 
Admiring Imkiville's contributions to the South Pacific, serving as Vice-Delegate, Local Councilor, and Minister of Military Affairs, and that during its tenure as Minister of Military Affairs, they are credited with the revival of the South Pacific Special Forces, allowing it to reach its potential as a powerful force,
Every position mentioned here should be explained thoroughly instead of just listed, as Python said.

I'd also make the SPSF part its own clause and go into detail. What exactly did Imki do to revive it? Did SPSF substantially contribute to any major operations during Imki's time as MoMA? If so, I'd also list those operations.
 
Believing that the contributions Imkiville has made to the international community should not be overlooked, and that the nation can easily be described as awesome,
 
Hereby Commends Imkiville.
Maybe "awe-inspiring" instead of awesome for less casual language? <- nitpick
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Postby Minskiev » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:29 pm

Debussy wrote:I don't think SC proposals need to cater to people who aren't familiar with NS.


I disagree. Listing a bunch of positions does nothing. What did they do in those positions, and why is it commendable?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:47 pm

Minskiev wrote:
Debussy wrote:I don't think SC proposals need to cater to people who aren't familiar with NS.


I disagree. Listing a bunch of positions does nothing. What did they do in those positions, and why is it commendable?

Yeah, basically this. Also, by not catering to people who are unfamiliar, you are basically hurting the chances of the proposal passing, which is not ideal
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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:13 pm

Let me put a different spin on the comments to this quote.

Debussy wrote:I don't think SC proposals need to cater to people who aren't familiar with NS.

They do not. They do, however, need to make an argument for their targets. I could absolutely not care less what any target has had as a title. I care about what type, quality, and volume of work they accomplished under their tenure. How were they transformative? What improvements did they make? How did the region they were in at the time come out better because of their work?

These are the questions that determine commendability, and it is up to the author to make that case.
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Postby Sandaoguo » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:10 pm

There is no reason at all, except to invite controversy, to include The South Pacific in this. Imki hasn't been involved in TSP for many, many years and her "contributions" to our community were a net negative. She literally couped and tried to ban longtime and honored members of TSP, people (including myself) who went on to serve many terms in the Cabinet, as Prime Minister, and in our Court.

She's not celebrated in the region, whatever her contributions were pre-coup and in the aftermath. Let her involvement elsewhere, where she was welcome and contributed positively, be enough reason to commend her. Invoking the region she tried to coup, when so many of the people she and her friends specifically targeted hold significant positions politically and culturally, does nothing but give TSP and other regions an excuse to vote against this.
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Postby The Python » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:15 pm

Yeah... going to have to agree with Glen on this. Not speaking as a member of TSP, but regardless of Imki's contributions she also helped Hileville coup :V she was not banned for it but still..... Regardless, I still think Imki is deserving.
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Postby Minskiev » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:16 pm

and that the nation can easily be described as awesome,


This is kind of weird to put in a proposal.
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Postby Debussy » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:57 pm

Minskiev wrote:
and that the nation can easily be described as awesome,


This is kind of weird to put in a proposal.


It is legal and I plan to leave it in. My community would like it kept in.

Sandaoguo wrote:There is no reason at all, except to invite controversy, to include The South Pacific in this. Imki hasn't been involved in TSP for many, many years and her "contributions" to our community were a net negative. She literally couped and tried to ban longtime and honored members of TSP, people (including myself) who went on to serve many terms in the Cabinet, as Prime Minister, and in our Court.

She's not celebrated in the region, whatever her contributions were pre-coup and in the aftermath. Let her involvement elsewhere, where she was welcome and contributed positively, be enough reason to commend her. Invoking the region she tried to coup, when so many of the people she and her friends specifically targeted hold significant positions politically and culturally, does nothing but give TSP and other regions an excuse to vote against this.


I was given a little history lessons. I'll remove the clause in the re-write.
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Postby Debussy » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:00 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
Minskiev wrote:
I disagree. Listing a bunch of positions does nothing. What did they do in those positions, and why is it commendable?

Yeah, basically this. Also, by not catering to people who are unfamiliar, you are basically hurting the chances of the proposal passing, which is not ideal

I did say unfamiliar with NS. Unless you can now vote from Facebook, I don't see what the problem is. The TSP position clause is being removed for the reasons provided by Sandaoguo.
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Postby Evil Wolf » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:38 pm

Sandaoguo wrote:There is no reason at all, except to invite controversy, to include The South Pacific in this. Imki hasn't been involved in TSP for many, many years and her "contributions" to our community were a net negative. She literally couped and tried to ban longtime and honored members of TSP, people (including myself) who went on to serve many terms in the Cabinet, as Prime Minister, and in our Court.


To put a less slanted perspective on the Hileville coup, pretty much the entire government, to include the Cabinet, the Delegate and Vice Delegate, and most of the Assembly were trying to ban Sandaoguo (Glen), or at least remove him as Forum Admin.

Imki's move was not unpopular at the time with anyone who wasn't Glen or Kringalia, the other site admin TSP was trying to remove. It should be noted that none of those that participated in the Hileville coup where banned from TSP, as people realized that banning approximately 90% of your region's citizens tends to be a bad look.
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Postby Imkihca » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:30 am

Sandaoguo wrote:... Imki hasn't been involved in TSP for many, many years and her "contributions" to our community were a net negative. ...

I'm sure the SPSF would love to know you think they're a "net negative". :P
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:30 am

Sandaoguo wrote:Imki hasn't been involved in TSP for many, many years and her "contributions" to our community were a net negative.

She hasn't been involved there because you and your ilk chase people out whom you don't like. Full stop.

Full support in principle for commending Imki. The draft needs some work, but what it doesn't need is Imki's contributions to TSP omitted because Glen would like it to be so. I don't even think some of Glen's political allies in TSP would agree with his take on this as some of them have worked closely with Imki in the past.
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