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Swedish Government on Verge of Losing No-Confidence Vote

Postby Shrillland » Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:29 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedens-government-teeters-ahead-no-183235528.html

Here's what's basically going on. Swedish PM Stefan Löfven's government introduced legislation that would lessen Sweden's strict rent control laws on new multi-family residential complexes and allow "free" or unregulated rents, so their landlords could charge higher monthly rates than most current complexes. Most of the government's C&S partners are in favour of the bill, but V, the Left Party, is walking away from providing confidence and voting against it. Löfven's pulling the bill from the Riksdag, but it's too little too late as V is joining the other opposition parties. The no-confidence vote will be held sometime on Monday, and the government's poised to be the first in Swedish history to lose such a vote and likely trigger elections.

So, what's your view, NSG? Personally, I understand why people don't like rent controls, but Sweden's had them for a long time, and the last thing the country needs is to join the rest of the West in a race-to-the-bottom housing crisis.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:03 pm

Normally it's the right-wing who oppose rent controls and the left-wing who support them. My biggest question about this whole shenanigans is just how did this situation get reversed in Sweden? :P
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:10 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Normally it's the right-wing who oppose rent controls and the left-wing who support them. My biggest question about this whole shenanigans is just how did this situation get reversed in Sweden? :P


My mistake...they weren't opposed to the bill for the most part, they're just going to support the no-confidence motion.
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That's what they get for siding with the landlords.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:24 pm

Ohhh interesting. Swedish elections lets go
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:26 pm

Although I’m all but supportive of landlords, it warms my heart to see the modern left fail in Sweden. Sweden Yes.

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When center-left neoliberalism gets so out of hand that a leftist bloc forgets its duty to the working class. :roll:
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:29 pm

Ultima Antivictoria wrote:When center-left neoliberalism gets so out of hand that a leftist bloc forgets its duty to the working class. :roll:


It was a plank made to get the Liberals and Centre Party to provide C&S. Dadgostar just didn't think they'd actually go through with it.
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:56 pm

Refresh my memory Shrilll it's been a while, what was the makeup of Parliament and which parties were in confidence of the government and those in opposition?
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:03 pm

Dresderstan wrote:Refresh my memory Shrilll it's been a while, what was the makeup of Parliament and which parties were in confidence of the government and those in opposition?

At the moment, the Riksdag of 349 members and government stand at:

Social Democrats(S): 100
Greens(MP): 16

C&S Partners
Centre(C): 31
Liberals(L): 19

Opposition:
Moderates(M): 70
Sweden Democrats(SD): 62
Left(V): 27
Christian Democrats(KD): 22
Independents: 2

Government: 166
Opposition: 183

In short, with V defecting to the opposition over the rent controls bill, the government will collapse on Monday. Once that happens, Löfven has seven days to call an election. If he doesn't, then the Speaker will act as informatuer and try to form a new government, which could happen but isn't likely.
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:05 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Refresh my memory Shrilll it's been a while, what was the makeup of Parliament and which parties were in confidence of the government and those in opposition?

At the moment, the Riksdag of 349 members and government stand at:

Social Democrats(S): 100
Greens(MP): 16

C&S Partners
Centre(C): 31
Liberals(L): 19

Opposition:
Moderates(M): 70
Sweden Democrats(SD): 62
Left(V): 27
Christian Democrats(KD): 22
Independents: 2

Government: 166
Opposition: 183

In short, with V defecting to the opposition over the rent controls bill, the government will collapse on Monday. Once that happens, Löfven has seven days to call an election. If he doesn't, then the Speaker will act as informatuer and try to form a new government, which could happen but isn't likely.

And even if an election is called... I still think the SocDems will win unless things start to go poorly come the campaign. Weird how the Left will call for no confidence over rent price control... when it seems neither the Moderates or Sweden Democrats can form a governing coalition.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:17 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:At the moment, the Riksdag of 349 members and government stand at:

Social Democrats(S): 100
Greens(MP): 16

C&S Partners
Centre(C): 31
Liberals(L): 19

Opposition:
Moderates(M): 70
Sweden Democrats(SD): 62
Left(V): 27
Christian Democrats(KD): 22
Independents: 2

Government: 166
Opposition: 183

In short, with V defecting to the opposition over the rent controls bill, the government will collapse on Monday. Once that happens, Löfven has seven days to call an election. If he doesn't, then the Speaker will act as informatuer and try to form a new government, which could happen but isn't likely.

And even if an election is called... I still think the SocDems will win unless things start to go poorly come the campaign. Weird how the Left will call for no confidence over rent price control... when it seems neither the Moderates or Sweden Democrats can form a governing coalition.


Win, yes, but it'll be a lot harder to form a government without the Left back on side, which is what they're hoping for. Right now, the current government+C&S partners are polling around 42%, which means a drop of about 10-13 seats from where they are now, with V gaining most of that balance and going up to about 40 seats.
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Ultima Antivictoria wrote:When center-left neoliberalism gets so out of hand that a leftist bloc forgets its duty to the working class. :roll:

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How does it help "the working class" to make renting out property too unprofitable for many people to feel like maintaining it for this purpose, instead of adapting the buildings to more profitable roles or simply letting them gradually fall apart, and thus to reduce the level of housing stock that is available to its members? And why assume automatically that none of the people renting out property aren't also "workers" and simply relying on those rents for parts of their income?
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:43 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Ultima Antivictoria wrote:When center-left neoliberalism gets so out of hand that a leftist bloc forgets its duty to the working class. :roll:

:blink:
How does it help "the working class" to make renting out property too unprofitable for many people to feel like maintaining it for this purpose, instead of adapting the buildings to more profitable roles or simply letting them gradually fall apart, and thus to reduce the level of housing stock that is available to its members? And why assume automatically that none of the people renting out property aren't also "workers" and simply relying on those rents for parts of their income?


It's not as bad as that, there isn't a fixed limit set by the government. Every year, landlords in a certain meet with the tenants' associations and wrestle out a rent agreement via collective bargaining. What the bill was going to do was eliminate the requirement that landlords had to negotiate with them.
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https://www.thelocal.se/20210621/sweden ... ce-motion/

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The Holy Therns wrote:https://www.thelocal.se/20210621/sweden-stefan-lofven-loses-no-confidence-motion/

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Since the elections are going to start, i wonder who would come out on top..

It would be nice if it was a Party that could copy the Japanese in terms of Society and Economy..
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Svenska-Britannia wrote:Since the elections are going to start, i wonder who would come out on top..

It would be nice if it was a Party that could copy the Japanese in terms of Society and Economy..


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Svenska-Britannia wrote:Since the elections are going to start, i wonder who would come out on top..

It would be nice if it was a Party that could copy the Japanese in terms of Society and Economy..

Considering that Japan's society and economy have been slowly imploding since the 90s, I'm not sure such a thing would be the best move for Sweden.

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Union of Socialist Council-Republics wrote:
Svenska-Britannia wrote:Since the elections are going to start, i wonder who would come out on top..

It would be nice if it was a Party that could copy the Japanese in terms of Society and Economy..

Considering that Japan's society and economy have been slowly imploding since the 90s, I'm not sure such a thing would be the best move for Sweden.



Well let me re-correct myself: It would be nice if it was a party that could copy the Japanese in their equivalent of a 'Golden Age' in Modern Times.
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Svenska-Britannia wrote:
Union of Socialist Council-Republics wrote:Considering that Japan's society and economy have been slowly imploding since the 90s, I'm not sure such a thing would be the best move for Sweden.



Well let me re-correct myself: It would be nice if it was a party that could copy the Japanese in their equivalent of a 'Golden Age' in Modern Times.

Presuming that you're referring to the 1980s, it is important to note that it was this 'golden age' society that imploded in the first place.

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Union of Socialist Council-Republics wrote:
Svenska-Britannia wrote:

Well let me re-correct myself: It would be nice if it was a party that could copy the Japanese in their equivalent of a 'Golden Age' in Modern Times.

Presuming that you're referring to the 1980s, it is important to note that it was this 'golden age' society that imploded in the first place.



So...its Bad to have a Golden Age then? Just basically let every country be in a struggling position?
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Svenska-Britannia wrote:
Union of Socialist Council-Republics wrote:Presuming that you're referring to the 1980s, it is important to note that it was this 'golden age' society that imploded in the first place.



So...its Bad to have a Golden Age then? Just basically let every country be in a struggling position?

Well, I was more gesturing to the fact that the economic and social model used by the Japanese in the 1980s was inherently unstable and brought about its own collapse, and that initiating that model would most likely produce similar results. It produced short-term gains, but inflicted long-term costs. Personally, I think it's much better to pursue long-term gains if it reduces short-term results.

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Union of Socialist Council-Republics wrote:
Svenska-Britannia wrote:

So...its Bad to have a Golden Age then? Just basically let every country be in a struggling position?

Well, I was more gesturing to the fact that the economic and social model used by the Japanese in the 1980s was inherently unstable and brought about its own collapse, and that initiating that model would most likely produce similar results. It produced short-term gains, but inflicted long-term costs. Personally, I think it's much better to pursue long-term gains if it reduces short-term results.



You have any ideas that would fit a Society and Economy that has a good long-term results?
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