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[DRAFT #1c] Firearm Permit Reciprocity

Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:39 am

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OOC 1: I am aware that GA#399.5 "assures member nations of the exclusive right to determine purely internal arms trading and firearm policy." Article c is not apparently "purely internal," given that it only involves procedures for member states granting firearm permits when other member states to do.
OOC 2: Vaguely inspired by Richard Hudson's now-perennial Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act.
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Firearm Permit Reciprocity
A resolution to improve worldwide human sapient and civil rights.
Category: Civil Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Tinhampton

Recognising that many individuals in member states may choose to own firearms or carry firearms in public for many reasons, such as to defend themselves or participate in sport shooting, and

Believing that the ability of these individuals to own or carry firearms should not be restricted in any member state simply because they were issued a permit to do so in another member state...

The General Assembly hereby:
  1. defines, for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. an "ownership permit" as a document issued by a member state granting its holder the right to own a particular firearm,
    2. an "open carry permit" as a document issued by a member state granting its holder the right to carry a particular firearm in public without a requirement to conceal it from public view, and
    3. a "concealed carry permit" as a document issued by a member state granting its holder the right to carry a particular firearm in public, provided that said firearm is concealed from public view,
  2. reiterates that whether or not to implement a system of ownership, open carry or concealed carry permits, and (if they choose to do so) what criteria individuals need to fulfil before being granted such permits, is a matter for each individual member state to decide,
  3. requires that each member state which chooses to grant ownership permits, open carry permits, or concealed carry permits for a particular firearm recognise as valid permits of the same nature for that firearm granted to any person in any other member state, where that person obtained that permit from the latter state for that firearm by fulfilling criteria at least as stringent as those required by the former state for its own permits of the same nature for that firearm,
  4. further requires that member states which allow their residents to own and carry firearms without a permit refrain from requiring their non-residents from acquiring a permit before they can own or carry firearms as appropriate, and
  5. clarifies that nothing in this resolution prevents member states from restricting the ability of those of their inhabitants who have committed a violent crime (or are likely to commit a violent crime in the near future) to own or carry firearms, regardless of whether those inhabitants are allowed by other member states to do so.


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Firearm Permit Reciprocity
A resolution to improve worldwide human sapient and civil rights.
Category: Civil Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Tinhampton

Recognising that many individuals in member states may choose to own firearms or carry firearms in public for many reasons, such as to defend themselves or participate in sport shooting, and

Believing that the ability of these individuals to own or carry firearms should not be restricted in any member state simply because they were issued a permit to do so in another member state...

The General Assembly hereby:
  1. defines, for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. an "ownership permit" as a document issued by a member state granting its holder the right to own a particular firearm,
    2. an "open carry permit" as a document issued by a member state granting its holder the right to carry a particular firearm in public without a requirement to conceal it from public view, and
    3. a "concealed carry permit" as a document issued by a member state granting its holder the right to carry a particular firearm in public, provided that said firearm is concealed from public view,
  2. reiterates that whether or not to implement a system of ownership, open carry or concealed carry permits, and (if they choose to do so) what criteria individuals need to fulfil before being granted such permits, is a matter for each individual member state to decide, and
  3. requires that:
    1. each member state which chooses to grant ownership permits for a particular firearm recognise as valid those ownership permits for that firearm granted to any person in any other member state, where that person obtained their ownership permit from the latter state for that firearm by fulfilling criteria at least as stringent as those required by the former state for its own ownership permits for that firearm,
    2. each member state which chooses to grant open carry permits for a particular firearm recognise as valid those open carry permits for that firearm granted to any person in any other member state, where that person obtained their open carry permit from the latter state for that firearm by fulfilling criteria at least as stringent as those required by the former state for its own open carry permits for that firearm, and that
    3. each member state which chooses to grant concealed carry permits for a particular firearm recognise as valid those concealed carry permits for that firearm granted to any person in any other member state, where that person obtained their concealed carry permit from the latter state for that firearm by fulfilling criteria at least as stringent as those required by the former state for its own concealed carry permits for that firearm.
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Postby Trellania » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:37 am

"Tentative support. Trellania has concerns about this, but concerns we do not believe are enough to warrant either opposing this or a rewrite of any provisions at this time. This will be examined more closely for potential issues, so our stance may change."

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:40 am

“It seems that clause c could be condensed, but that isn’t an error. I also tentatively support this.”
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:45 am

Anderson: Which concerns, Dame Allania? And as for all of you - just how tentative, on a scale from "I'll give this a proper read-through later" to "I'll vote against this if you change anything?"

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:08 am

"Wallenburg will not relinquish its permit authority to the most lax member state. The state has rather strict requirements in order to acquire a permit for a machine gun or autocannon, and for good reason. These are weapons of war, which in the wrong hands could be used to devastating effect against Wallenburgian society. It is unacceptable to allow another member state to hand out permits for the same weapons like they are movie tickets, and then require us to recognize them in the same way we recognize domestic permits."
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:17 am

Anderson: Have you read the text of the proposal, Ambassador Ogenbond? Wallenburg is not required to recognise permits to own or carry machine guns issued in other member states where those members have less strict requirements for acquiring such permits than Wallenburg does.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:19 am

"Opposed. Domestic firearm policy is domestic firearm policy. That is, not a concern for international communities. Nations have an interest in being the sole regulatory entity for firearms in their territory."

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:23 am

Tinhampton wrote:Anderson: Have you read the text of the proposal, Ambassador Ogenbond? Wallenburg is not required to recognise permits to own or carry machine guns issued in other member states where those members have less strict requirements for acquiring such permits than Wallenburg does.

"Ah, I didn't catch the entire last bit of the terms of section C. There's a lot to read there, far more than you actually need. You'd do better to rephrase section C in a manner more like this."

Ogenbond grabs his pen and scrawls out some language on a fresh sheet of paper. He passes it to an aide, who takes it to Ms. Anderson.

requires that each member state which chooses to grant ownership permits, open carry permits, or concealed carry permits for a particular firearm recognise as valid permits of the same nature for that firearm granted to any person in any other member state, where that person obtained that permit from the latter state for that firearm by fulfilling criteria at least as stringent as those required by the former state for its own permits of the same nature for that firearm.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:30 am

Anderson: Thanks, Ambassador - consider it done.
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Postby Trellania » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:49 am

"I must ask two questions, related to enforcement in our own nation. We've run across a conundrum.

"One, how does this apply to nations that don't issue permits at all? We have a de facto standard of a training program being sufficient, but no law currently enforced that requires any issuing of permits. The only enforced law we have is related to wielding of weapons, and even then training is sufficient.

"Two, how does this relate to interactions of different nations as far as law enforcement? Can one nation ban someone from having a firearm due to crimes committed even if that person received a permit in another nation?"

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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:38 pm

Tinhampton, I supported the resolution until it said at the end,"where that person obtained that permit from the latter state for that firearm by fulfilling criteria at least as stringent as those required by the former state for its own permits of the same nature for that firearm." ,Which means a citizen of the Constitutional monarchy of Illu-chi would not be able to carry in most wa member nations as we have very lax gun laws where our only requirement for the ownership and usage of a firearm is a 20 question test(no multiple choice) with 5 more questions if you wish to use a chemical weapon. This dismays me and the citizens of illu-chi.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:19 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. Domestic firearm policy is domestic firearm policy. That is, not a concern for international communities. Nations have an interest in being the sole regulatory entity for firearms in their territory."

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:23 pm

Anderson: Dame Allania's concerns have been addressed... or at least I hope they have.
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Postby Trellania » Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:28 pm

Dame Allania looks over the new draft and nods.

"It is not the answer I was expecting, but it answers the questions fully and in such a way there is no lack of clarity."

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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:31 pm

Tinhampton, you should define firearm since it can depend on the country.

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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:44 pm

“Yet more minutiae…… I can already foresee, at this rate we will soon be voting on the EXACT meanings of half empty and half full.”

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Postby Trellania » Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:59 pm

Wayneactia wrote:“Yet more minutiae…… I can already foresee, at this rate we will soon be voting on the EXACT meanings of half empty and half full.”

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:02 pm

Illu-chi wrote:Tinhampton, you should define firearm since it can depend on the country.

Five GA resolutions and one Historical resolution makes reference to "firearm" or "firearms." Not one of them defines the term.
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Postby Illu-chi » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:08 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Illu-chi wrote:Tinhampton, you should define firearm since it can depend on the country.

Five GA resolutions and one Historical resolution makes reference to "firearm" or "firearms." Not one of them defines the term.

Oh.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:12 pm

Wayneactia wrote:“Yet more minutiae…… I can already foresee, at this rate we will soon be voting on the EXACT meanings of half empty and half full.”

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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:02 pm

OOC: Blah blah text.

Araraukar has a total ban on all firearms outside of certain police units and border control officers. Does the proposal try to make it have to let foreigners possess firearms within Araraukarian jurisdiction, yes/no?
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Postby Wayneactia » Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:04 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Blah blah text.

Araraukar has a total ban on all firearms outside of certain police units and border control officers. Does the proposal try to make it have to let foreigners possess firearms within Araraukarian jurisdiction, yes/no?

reiterates that whether or not to implement a system of ownership, open carry or concealed carry permits, and (if they choose to do so) what criteria individuals need to fulfil before being granted such permits, is a matter for each individual member state to decide

It appears not.

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