[PASSED] End Conversion Therapy

[Tsaivao]

"So, to summarize, banning conversion therapy is not the same thing as banning booze. One is fun, the other is torture. I hope that you would know which is which."

"If it were torture, this resolution would be illegal for duplication," mutters Ogenbond under his own breath.

"Slight hyperbolization on my part, I will retract "torture" and replace it with "really really bad" to correct myself for that slight blunder."

Barwald: "I'm flattered by the honorific of 'ambassador', but I'm just the Press Secretary these days. Nonetheless, I'll answer your question. By allowing one individual to go through with this absolute farce of a 'procedure', the image might be created that it might be helpful. After all, if a government doesn't ban it, surely it's not harmful? In other words, it will create a false sense of security that will trick others into wanting to try out something that is, in its entirety, exclusively harmful and never helpful. As you can see, it won't cause harm to only one individual, but to multiple. By banning this, it sends a signal to individuals that conversion therapy is indeed harmful, and it shows that bogus theories on different sexual orientations or gender dysphoria being 'curable' will not be tolerated in modern, civilized societies.

And that is all we're going to say to your delegation on this topic, Ambassador. We have tried to show your nation and leadership a different, more tolerant and accepting way of life and perspective on the universe. You rejected it. So be it, but you will have to similarly accept that our patience to interact with delegations espousing such viewpoints and ideologies as your nation does is limited."

"There are many things governments do not ban that are harmful. Alcohol, tobacco, unprotected sex with strangers. It is not a governments job to go around protecting citizens from themselves, but rather from the militaries of other states and other citizens who may wish to do them harm."

"And would you not argue that conversion therapy is 'other citizens who may wish to do [your citizens] harm'? Who protects your citizens from conversion therapy when their mental health is compromised? At what point are you going to actually claim responsibility for the harm done to your citizens? See my point above about why banning alcohol isn't the same."

[Southern Xenick]

Full support, intrusive sexuality altering is cringe

[Laka Strolistandiler]

"(…) This I feel is more of a substantive argument, and I appreciate that we're (mostly) going back to good-faith debate. The discussion of whether nations should ban materials which could harm the populace often depends on the nature of the material being banned, and for what reason. It is not simple to compare the issues of harmful homophobia/transphobia to issues of alcoholism or drug addiction; not because one is worse than the other, but because both are bad things in different ways."

"The difference is that it is possible to consume alcohol responsibly," Manhu says, taking a swig of Damsung, to his aides' concern, "and not be at harm to an individual's physical or mental health. Light drugs and extreme sports can similarly be performed with some manner of safety which is often regulated by governments even when they are allowed (and there's a very good chance that even you have regulations on what kinds of alcohols and in what quantities may be legally sold, since I don't think people would take too kind to accidentally drinking wood alcohol and falling over dead). Conversion therapy, meanwhile, is not something that one does for responsible recreation, but for one to change aspects of their own personality (or worse, for someone else to force a change upon someone else). It isn't light-hearted drinking around the campfire turned into a crippling alcohol addiction, from the get-go the issue being put forth is under the notion that therapy is capable of quite literally brainwashing someone into thinking they're something that they aren't (and for the record, CRISPR can still be done against someone's will). It is dangerous for a similar reason that arsenic poisoning is dangerous; no one wants arsenic poisoning because it is a cruel and disturbing affliction. Yet, no one argues for the legalization of arsenic beverages, because no amount of prior information on the behalf of the adult population will guarantee that someone doesn't still try to drink it and end up killing themselves…

Ambassador, but I wonder would it be illegal for someone to make an arsenic drink for themselves, fully and willingly? I highly doubt that, mainly because of that suicide legalization resolution. Moreover than that, it is my sincere belief that people can indeed be forced into alcoholism. In my own family (OOC note, this is about a family of my friend my family is ruined too but not THAT bad so don’t worry), an abusive husband forced his wife to drink with himself, until both of them were lying on the floor. Moreover than that, don’t even get me started on people drinking extremely heavy amounts of alcohol simply because of a bet, or “Truth or Dare” or something. Finally, we did provide you with an example of conversion therapy working as intended. Indeed it is a developing field of science, which with some level of funds, human test subj… I mean, patients and experience will indeed result in a far higher level of success.

(and, I hope you sincerely agree, most governments have an incentive to make sure their people don't die. Ethically, death is bad; pragmatically, losing tax-kons is bad)."

Yeah, I wouldn’t be so sure. Our government indeed doesn’t want it’s people to die, in peace that is. During wartime and especially if the War Plan B is implemented, the replaced military government will commit to, not disclosing secret information, massive human wave attacks in order to overpower the advancing enemy as well as to allow for regular troops to push through. I know tha5 this is a stupid plan, but it ain’t me who writes the book… Moreover than that, there are plenty of cultures where death is not something this bad, with Laka being a good example. In our culture, a worthy death is perhaps as good as a worthy life. I could further elaborate in meaning of “a worthy death”, but I won’t waste mine and your time.

[quote"So, to summarize, banning conversion therapy is not the same thing as banning booze. One is fun, the other is torture. I hope that you would know which is which."[/quote]
Well, I hope that you agree that what’s fun for one person is a torture to another. Due to my… Well, complicated past, including a very well-placed flechette shot, a severe brain trauma and messed-up metabolism, for me booze is torture. While I am a sober person, I once mistook a glass of red wine for a cherry juice. The pain, the apparitions that I’ve witnessed afterwards- this was horrific.

…
"Trust me, Ambassador. The more you blame the world for your reasoning to be unable to change, the worse off you will be. Here on Tsaivao we've had to recognize that our faults have seeped into our traditions, our world is bad because we made it bad. Only you have the power to fix it, and often that requires going outside your comfort zone. If that's a 'suicide' for you to demand equal rights of your people, then I would gladly take death over tyranny."

May I wonder than what kind of faults are you talking about. Did your nation lost up to 30% of it’s adult populace during the last 50 years of essentially barely stopping massive conflicts? Did your citizens fought in the trenches of death where an average life expectancy for any personnel, including officers is barely above a week? And, finally, does your nation live under a constant threat of invasion by forces greatly outnumbering and outgunning (if you can call a devil horde “outgunning” anyone)? The perils and the horrors we’ve faced and are going to face leaves little to no choice, ambassador. And about taking death for tyranny… Everyone who have had the same mindset as you have had already left our state. Those that remained voluntarily are ready. Moreover, our people are indeed equal. We have some of the lowest income disparity rates in the WA, after all.

Manhu tried another swig of Damsung, before looking at his cup and realizing it's empty.

Upon noticing this, Obraztsova reaches for a metallic flask,- offering it to Manhu,- may I interest you in some green tea?

OOC: Why do I have to leave the WA the moment it became interesting… Are things like observer status or non-member WA missions allowed here?

[Daarwyrth]

OOC: Why do I have to leave the WA the moment it became interesting…

OOC: No one's forcing you to leave the WA, other than yourself.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Why do I have to leave the WA the moment it became interesting…

OOC: No one's forcing you to leave the WA, other than yourself.

OOC: I’ve said that I’m going to leave which means that I have to leave. The only question here is wether or not I’m allowed to keep a WA mission, somewhat like an observation status or something. Simply for discussion.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Why do I have to leave the WA the moment it became interesting… Are things like observer status or non-member WA missions allowed here?

Yes, but I don't see how you would be an observer state if you don't comply with WA law. The whole point of observer status is that you obey a body's rules but don't enjoy the rights of membership.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Yes, but I don't see how you would be an observer state if you don't comply with WA law. The whole point of observer status is that you obey a body's rules but don't enjoy the rights of membership.

So there is no way to partake in discussions while not complying with WA law?

[Tsaivao]

Ambassador, but I wonder would it be illegal for someone to make an arsenic drink for themselves, fully and willingly? I highly doubt that, mainly because of that suicide legalization resolution.

"The resolution in question that you are referring to is GAR #180, correct? If this is the case, I believe you are misinterpreting the legislation. You are correct, if individuals were to make poisonous beverages for they themselves to consume, then the act of attempted suicide itself is not illegal. However, possession of arsenic can still be criminalized. Clause 2 of GAR#180 states:"

Requests that member-states and their respective legal systems take care in distinguishing between activities of a potentially careless and/or life-threatening nature (e.g., recreational substance use, failure to use safety equipment) and specific acts that are intended by one to end one's own life;

"And Clause 5 states:"

Clarifies that nothing in this act shall impact whether member-nations can criminalize the forcing, assistance, aid or abetment of suicide.

"What this legislation does is it prevents individuals from being prosecuted for attempting to commit suicide. It does not mean that governments cannot take efforts to prevent suicide in the population. What you are suggesting is that 'because it is not strictly illegal to attempt suicide, that means it's okay to just let it happen,' even though I think that the vast majority of people (especially those who have struggled with suicidal tendencies in the past) would vehemently disagree with you. This is why we have safety measures and regulations put in place to make sure people don't needlessly die by totally preventable causes."

Moreover than that, it is my sincere belief that people can indeed be forced into alcoholism.

"People are forced into conversion therapy too. So you admit that conversion therapy is bad?"

Finally, we did provide you with an example of conversion therapy working as intended. Indeed it is a developing field of science, which with some level of funds, human test subj… I mean, patients and experience will indeed result in a far higher level of success.

"Or we could avoid the funding of fringe sciences and instead focus on doing what should just be done: not caring and letting people live their lives as whatever gender they identify as. Pragmatically, this is the much cheaper option, no?"

Yeah, I wouldn’t be so sure. Our government indeed doesn’t want it’s people to die, in peace that is. During wartime and especially if the War Plan B is implemented, the replaced military government will commit to, not disclosing secret information, massive human wave attacks in order to overpower the advancing enemy as well as to allow for regular troops to push through. I know tha5 this is a stupid plan, but it ain’t me who writes the book… Moreover than that, there are plenty of cultures where death is not something this bad, with Laka being a good example. In our culture, a worthy death is perhaps as good as a worthy life. I could further elaborate in meaning of “a worthy death”, but I won’t waste mine and your time.

"And once more, your nationality does not hold precedence over World Assembly legislation (or for that matter, basic logistics). If you think your human wave tactics are going to work, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but a society which supposedly has advanced gene-replacement surgery should also know that autocannons exist. But I digress, military strategy is definitely not something I'm willing to get into at the moment."

Well, I hope that you agree that what’s fun for one person is a torture to another. Due to my… Well, complicated past, including a very well-placed flechette shot, a severe brain trauma and messed-up metabolism, for me booze is torture. While I am a sober person, I once mistook a glass of red wine for a cherry juice. The pain, the apparitions that I’ve witnessed afterwards- this was horrific.

"Once again, this is your personal reason for avoiding alcohol. I am terribly sorry for what happened to you, but most other people are not harmed to that degree which you speak of when drinking. On the contrary, most people are harmed by conversion therapy. Conversion therapy is not meant to be fun, it's meant to quite literally brainwash someone into thinking they're something which they aren't. Why do you keep equating alcohol to this like they're even in the same ballpark?"

May I wonder than what kind of faults are you talking about. Did your nation lost up to 30% of it’s adult populace during the last 50 years of essentially barely stopping massive conflicts? Did your citizens fought in the trenches of death where an average life expectancy for any personnel, including officers is barely above a week? And, finally, does your nation live under a constant threat of invasion by forces greatly outnumbering and outgunning (if you can call a devil horde “outgunning” anyone)? The perils and the horrors we’ve faced and are going to face leaves little to no choice, ambassador. And about taking death for tyranny… Everyone who have had the same mindset as you have had already left our state. Those that remained voluntarily are ready. Moreover, our people are indeed equal. We have some of the lowest income disparity rates in the WA, after all.

"Listen, I am not going to go into incredible depth about our history. But when you sit here trying to sing-song about how much you've suffered and how our people have no room to complain, all it confirms to me is your self-centered ideology has firmly rotted your ability to have a legitimate argument. Yes, Ambassador, Tsaivao has been victim to a comet impact, several massive wars of conquest and imperialism, continued strife and rebellion across the world, massive humanitarian crises, food and water being difficult to come by, environmental destruction, lagging industrialization, corrupt and narcissistic leadership, threat of extraterrestrial invasion by powers we've only barely begun to understand, and uncountable bodies over the past thousand years this has been going on. And yet, we push on in our new direction because we have the gall to do so. If you want to sit inside your little radicalized bubble and pretend that nothing can change, then nothing will change for you. If you want to push outside the bubble, then you will cause change. I don't care which you choose, but don't use you and your people's suffering as a platform to raise yourself higher than others around you."

"But I will not continue down this path, for this is unrelated to what is the matter at hand, which is conversion therapy and the banning thereof. Go play the pity-points game elsewhere."

Upon noticing this, Obraztsova reaches for a metallic flask,- offering it to Manhu,- may I interest you in some green tea?

OOC: Why do I have to leave the WA the moment it became interesting… Are things like observer status or non-member WA missions allowed here?

Manhu sat back down, pushing the tea out of the way. "I'd rather drink arsenic, thank you. Not a fan of tea."

[Daarwyrth]

OOC: I’ve said that I’m going to leave which means that I have to leave.

OOC: An opinion or viewpoint is not set in stone. It can be altered, changed, broadened or abandoned at any point. Yet whether you do any of that is entirely up to you, and in your hands alone.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

"The resolution in question that you are referring to is GAR #180, correct? If this is the case, I believe you are misinterpreting the legislation. You are correct, if individuals were to make poisonous beverages for they themselves to consume, then the act of attempted suicide itself is not illegal. However, possession of arsenic can still be criminalized. Clause 2 of GAR#180 states:"

Requests that member-states and their respective legal systems take care in distinguishing between activities of a potentially careless and/or life-threatening nature (e.g., recreational substance use, failure to use safety equipment) and specific acts that are intended by one to end one's own life;

"And Clause 5 states:"

Clarifies that nothing in this act shall impact whether member-nations can criminalize the forcing, assistance, aid or abetment of suicide.

"What this legislation does is it prevents individuals from being prosecuted for attempting to commit suicide. It does not mean that governments cannot take efforts to prevent suicide in the population. What you are suggesting is that 'because it is not strictly illegal to attempt suicide, that means it's okay to just let it happen,' even though I think that the vast majority of people (especially those who have struggled with suicidal tendencies in the past) would vehemently disagree with you. This is why we have safety measures and regulations put in place to make sure people don't needlessly die by totally preventable causes."

Thanks for clarifying that, Ambassador. Still, my point stands: drinking arsenic can be qualified as a
person willingly committing suicide. Moreover, I do not remember any WA resolution prohibiting self-harm or requiring member states to do something about it. Also apparently you’ve misunderstood me, what I mean is “because it’s legal to commit suicide, voluntarily and knowingly self-inflicted wounds which can be classified as an unfinished suicide attempt should be also legal

"People are forced into conversion therapy too. So you admit that conversion therapy is bad?"

No, I’m making a point that there is no difference in voluntarily factor between alcoholism and conversion therapy. You’ve stated otherwise, correct me if I’m wrong.

"Or we could avoid the funding of fringe sciences and instead focus on doing what should just be done: not caring and letting people live their lives as whatever gender they identify as. Pragmatically, this is the much cheaper option, no?"

In our case, no. We need post-birth genetic research in order to further our development of human genetically experimentation and modification which will restart relatively soon. Moreover than that, we don’t subscribe to the “live and let live” idea, “live the way the collective needs you to live” is more appealing to us. Furthermore, allowing people to freely choose who they wish to be will eventually lead to a growth in dissidence and, in turn, defeatism which will be our demise.

"And once more, your nationality does not hold precedence over World Assembly legislation (or for that matter, basic logistics). If you think your human wave tactics are going to work, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but a society which supposedly has advanced gene-replacement surgery should also know that autocannons exist. But I digress, military strategy is definitely not something I'm willing to get into at the moment."

By “human wave attacks” I didn’t meant Enemy At Gates’-ish dreadful charges but rather middle-equipped forces attacking enemy forces on a wide front, forcing the enemy forces to display Ober a largest area which will allow for a better-trained forces to break through during a counter-attack. As simple as it gets.

"Once again, this is your personal reason for avoiding alcohol. I am terribly sorry for what happened to you, but most other people are not harmed to that degree which you speak of when drinking. On the contrary, most people are harmed by conversion therapy. Conversion therapy is not meant to be fun, it's meant to quite literally brainwash someone into thinking they're something which they aren't. Why do you keep equating alcohol to this like they're even in the same ballpark?"

I merely provided an example of alcohol being torture to someone, ambassador. Actually, alcohol causes, even in our extremely sober-ish state far more trouble than conversion therapy. After all, failed conversion therapy may lead, in the worst case scenario, to a single suicide, perhaps the family and friends of the deceased being depressed for a couple of months, while alcoholism results in DUI incidents, badly raised and treated children, crimes, committed while intoxicated, etc. What I meant to say by that is that alcohol is far more dangerous to society than conversion therapy.

"Listen, I am not going to go into incredible depth about our history. But when you sit here trying to sing-song about how much you've suffered and how our people have no room to complain, all it confirms to me is your self-centered ideology has firmly rotted your ability to have a legitimate argument. Yes, Ambassador, Tsaivao has been victim to a comet impact, several massive wars of conquest and imperialism, continued strife and rebellion across the world, massive humanitarian crises, food and water being difficult to come by, environmental destruction, lagging industrialization, corrupt and narcissistic leadership, threat of extraterrestrial invasion by powers we've only barely begun to understand, and uncountable bodies over the past thousand years this has been going on. And yet, we push on in our new direction because we have the gall to do so. If you want to sit inside your little radicalized bubble and pretend that nothing can change, then nothing will change for you. If you want to push outside the bubble, then you will cause change. I don't care which you choose, but don't use you and your people's suffering as a platform to raise yourself higher than others around you."

"But I will not continue down this path, for this is unrelated to what is the matter at hand, which is conversion therapy and the banning thereof. Go play the pity-points game elsewhere."

I could brag about the similarities between the fates of our states, something that my supreriors will do, however I’ll simply point out the main difference between us- you can confront these problems and still have the time and the power to stay alive, we don’t. Your nightmare is over, ours is just behind the horizon.

Manhu sat back down, pushing the tea out of the way. "I'd rather drink arsenic, thank you. Not a fan of tea."

Coffee then perhaps? My translator is as good in making a fine blend of coffee, as he’s bad at translating. If I were you I’d give it a try,- perhaps that’s the last time you’ll have such an opportunity…

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: I’ve said that I’m going to leave which means that I have to leave.

OOC: An opinion or viewpoint is not set in stone. It can be altered, changed, broadened or abandoned at any point. Yet whether you do any of that is entirely up to you, and in your hands alone.

OOC: I’ve talked about leaving too much- reversing this RN is way beyond me. Furthermore, I’m sorry if this sounds like me defending my position, but isn’t saying that you’ll leave and then not leaving because “reasons” considered an extremely bad thing to do?

[Wallenburg]

Yes, but I don't see how you would be an observer state if you don't comply with WA law. The whole point of observer status is that you obey a body's rules but don't enjoy the rights of membership.

So there is no way to partake in discussions while not complying with WA law?

You can try to do so, but why would any author pay mind to the opinion of someone who will ignore their resolution anyway?

OOC: I’ve talked about leaving too much- reversing this RN is way beyond me. Furthermore, I’m sorry if this sounds like me defending my position, but isn’t saying that you’ll leave and then not leaving because “reasons” considered an extremely bad thing to do?

Is it? It might be considered overly dramatic, but just as easily it's someone changing their mind for a reason compelling to them. That happens every day.

[Bears Armed]

OOC: Why do I have to leave the WA the moment it became interesting… Are things like observer status or non-member WA missions allowed here?

Yes, but I don't see how you would be an observer state if you don't comply with WA law. The whole point of observer status is that you obey a body's rules but don't enjoy the rights of membership.

OOC: Mods have said in on more than one occasions in the past, pre-GenSec, that as far as they were concerned any nation could participate in discussions here regardless of whether it is a WA member and with no requirement to be compliant with passed resolutions in the way that you describe.
If responsibility for making such decisions has now passed to GenSec then I at least would leave that situation as allowed: As somebody whose main nation operates here through a puppet rather than through holding membership directly itself, and that is not itself fully compliant with all GA resolutions (in some cases for ideological reasons, and in many cases because the Bears' national government simply doesn't possess the authority to force certain policies on its confederation's own member-Bodys...) it would be hypocritical of me to insist otherwise.
In any case, setting up a nominally independent puppet to hold WA membership (and be compliant with the resolutions) is easy enough...

[Figu]

"Now, before we get to the main event, it may surprise you to find us still here. As stated previously, despite our nation's withdrawal from the WA, this delegation will remain here for the purposes of:"

a. Diplomacy and networking with like-minded nations
b. Encouraging reform of the World Assembly
c. National Security reasons

"On a completely unrelated note, what exactly would a World Assembly expeditionary force actually look like?"

"You can try to do so, but why would any author pay mind to the opinion of someone who will ignore their resolution anyway?"

"Well, the purpose is not to talk to the author, but to potential voters both for and against the resolution at hand. Debate is a sign of a healthy democracy."

"For those wondering where we're staying, we have a trailer in the gigantic parking lot outside the building. Whilst the bed isn't nearly as cushy, I get to have an actual security detail."

- Chief Delegate Rodgers

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Thanks for advice, guys, although I’ll most likely replace Obraztsova with another character…
Obraztsova:With this, I bid my last farewell to you, dear Ambassadors, their assistants and other pleasantly people I’ve interacted here. My duty here to my nation was failed, and although it’s unlikely that I’ll be asked to honorable death, you’ll certainly never hear of me again. I suppose, I’ll be replaced by a more capable person, who will be present here only for discussion, suggestions and diplomacy. My own story here comes to an end… Whay?!- she looks at the papers,- they’re sending me off to and S-boat?! Walking out of the assembly, she continues to talk, meeting several External Security officers who escort her to a black Chaika special transportation vehicle,- And keeping this disfuntional fucker,- points at the translator,- well, tell me about bullshit!This imbecile piece of shit Ishi was sent off to CUSP and I’m sent off to a fucking S-Boat. Great, I love these morons at National Communist Party, these cruel hawkish fuckers at the Ministry of War, and most of all, our idiotic, stupidly self-reliant Queen…

Her voice can still be heard over the sound of the Chaika’s closing door and the car driving away with previously rather restrictive Obraztsova swearing and cursing at each and every single government official that made her life hard during her time in the WA.

[Bakalcalyu]

Mrs. İbelyeń Ərańa, New Chief of the Sovereign and Independent Economic Condominium of Bakalcalyu, a Bakalcalyan Citizen for eight whole hours and counting, and who may happen to be Chiloshian Nobility and former head of their WA delegation before their withdrawal, struts into the debate chamber wearing sunglasses, having instructed one of her aides to go to the music app of her phone and hit random, resulting in a comically mismatched song playing until the aide is told to stop it.


"(mutters while removing glasses: 'shuffle never works when you need it to!') *Clears throat and smiles* Guess who's back! Looks like the CT ban's happening. Awww, Drat! I guess any Bakalcalyan citizen who ends up wanting it will just have to take advantage of the easy and visa-free travel to neighboring Chiloshia. Despite the disappointing state of this place, I look forward to the many joys of working 'with' all of you as representative of the only current WA member nation in our immediate geographic vicinity. My nation's legislatures will be available to happily comply with the Compliance Commission in appropriately expanding the legal code of our city. Anyway, I'll let you get on with any remaining debates on the impending law, my aides and I are just here to move our stuff into the new office. Ta-tAaa!"

[Tinhampton]

End Conversion Therapy was passed 10,097 votes to 3,270. (75.54% support)

My apologies for being unable to deliver my usual list of delegate votes today (although it is available in full here); I was too busy admiring the sunrise from one of the windows in my house somewhere in London. Suffice to say that The North and West Pacifics were the only delegates wielding more than thirty votes to oppose the resolution.

Today, too, marks a new dawn for all LGBTQ+ people in WA member states: the day that they were guaranteed protection from all forms of conversion therapy, not only its most egregious excesses.

[The Islamic Caliphate of the Balkans]

The ICB expresses strong condemnation to this resolution, which alters the rules given by Allah in the Qur'an revealed by prophet Muhammad (pbuh), but not only that, going also against any natural laws of science and nature by reasons that, if you permit me to say so, to explicit for discussing it here. Therefore, not only have we voted against, says Sourayah Sulaimanovic, the ministry of foreign affairs, wearing a black burka, but we announce here that we abandon the World Assembly.

[Wallenburg]

The ICB expresses strong condemnation to this resolution, which alters the rules given by Allah in the Qur'an revealed by prophet Muhammad (pbuh), but not only that, going also against any natural laws of science and nature by reasons that, if you permit me to say so, to explicit for discussing it here. Therefore, not only have we voted against, says Sourayah Sulaimanovic, the ministry of foreign affairs, wearing a black burka, but we announce here that we abandon the World Assembly.

"I call the sofas!" shouts Ogenbond, already halfway out of the chamber and beelining for the now vacated office.

[Goobergunchia]

Yes, but I don't see how you would be an observer state if you don't comply with WA law. The whole point of observer status is that you obey a body's rules but don't enjoy the rights of membership.

OOC: Mods have said in on more than one occasions in the past, pre-GenSec, that as far as they were concerned any nation could participate in discussions here regardless of whether it is a WA member and with no requirement to be compliant with passed resolutions in the way that you describe.
If responsibility for making such decisions has now passed to GenSec then I at least would leave that situation as allowed: As somebody whose main nation operates here through a puppet rather than through holding membership directly itself, and that is not itself fully compliant with all GA resolutions (in some cases for ideological reasons, and in many cases because the Bears' national government simply doesn't possess the authority to force certain policies on its confederation's own member-Bodys...) it would be hypocritical of me to insist otherwise.
In any case, setting up a nominally independent puppet to hold WA membership (and be compliant with the resolutions) is easy enough...

Right, we're not going to be checking whether or not you're in the WA when you post in this forum. (I don't generally post IC on my defender puppets, for that matter.) Although ambassadors may discount a non-WA nation's opinions accordingly.

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