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Christian Discussion Thread XII: Soter? I hardly know her!

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What is your denomination?

Roman Catholic
55
39%
Eastern Orthodox
16
11%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
2
1%
Anglican/Episcopalian
9
6%
Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
16
11%
Methodist
0
No votes
Baptist
10
7%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
8
6%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
6
4%
Other Christian
18
13%
 
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Christian Discussion Thread XII: Soter? I hardly know her!

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This is the Twelfth version of the Christian discussion thread, where participants can discuss Christianity in general, the differences between the denominations, general comparative theology (both within and without Christianity), Church history, and many other topics.

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Out of curiosity, can a Priest reject communion simply because they wish to receive communion in the hand? I understand the trad argument about the default being on the tongue but communion in the hand is also explicitly permitted by Rome, and how can a local Priest reject someone that insists on it?
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North Washington Republic wrote:Out of curiosity, can a Priest reject communion simply because they wish to receive communion in the hand? I understand the trad argument about the default being on the tongue but communion in the hand is also explicitly permitted by Rome, and how can a local Priest reject someone that insists on it?


I've heard of that happening before, but it's wrong.
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Salus Maior wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:Out of curiosity, can a Priest reject communion simply because they wish to receive communion in the hand? I understand the trad argument about the default being on the tongue but communion in the hand is also explicitly permitted by Rome, and how can a local Priest reject someone that insists on it?


I've heard of that happening before, but it's wrong.


This happened to me in 2012. It was the first mass I attended in many years. It was at the parish that is Notorious for being conservative and more traditional. When it was time for communion, I went up, and kneeled since they had altar rails. When it was my turn, I held my hands the correct way to receive, and the Priest and the alter boy holding the Communion-plate was taken aback by it. I just ended up receiving on the tongue. This is before I became a rad trad and ended up hating communion in the hand.

If I went to Mass now or since the pandemic, I would insist receiving communion in the hand….
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Tarsonis wrote:When people don't listen to your polite request to fill out the full 500 of the past thread first...



Sorry…and well it’s locked now.
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North Washington Republic wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:When people don't listen to your polite request to fill out the full 500 of the past thread first...



Sorry…and well it’s locked now.


Oh well
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Salus Maior wrote:Apparently, the Vatican may have plans to place restrictions on the practice of the TLM.

I don't know anything about this news provider, and it would be welcome if this isn't actually something in the works. But this is just very concerning to me, of course, and it's frustrating that the Vatican really just doesn't know what young people want in religion. Traditional parishes are growing, every traditional parish I've been to has had lots of young people in it. If the Vatican restricts the growth of traditional liturgy it'll be a mistake, and it'll nip a lot of peoples' spiritual growth in the bud.

Carrying this over from the last thread. Is there any reason this is even being considered? Like, I understand it if someone doesn't like the Extraordinary Form, but imposing restrictions on it is downright petty and insulting to the members of the faithful and the clergy who wish to participate in the TLM over the Novus Ordo
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Dylar wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Apparently, the Vatican may have plans to place restrictions on the practice of the TLM.

I don't know anything about this news provider, and it would be welcome if this isn't actually something in the works. But this is just very concerning to me, of course, and it's frustrating that the Vatican really just doesn't know what young people want in religion. Traditional parishes are growing, every traditional parish I've been to has had lots of young people in it. If the Vatican restricts the growth of traditional liturgy it'll be a mistake, and it'll nip a lot of peoples' spiritual growth in the bud.

Carrying this over from the last thread. Is there any reason this is even being considered? Like, I understand it if someone doesn't like the Extraordinary Form, but imposing restrictions on it is downright petty and insulting to the members of the faithful and the clergy who wish to participate in the TLM over the Novus Ordo


Considering that this is coming from the Remnant, I’m skeptical of this report.
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Dylar wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Apparently, the Vatican may have plans to place restrictions on the practice of the TLM.

I don't know anything about this news provider, and it would be welcome if this isn't actually something in the works. But this is just very concerning to me, of course, and it's frustrating that the Vatican really just doesn't know what young people want in religion. Traditional parishes are growing, every traditional parish I've been to has had lots of young people in it. If the Vatican restricts the growth of traditional liturgy it'll be a mistake, and it'll nip a lot of peoples' spiritual growth in the bud.

Carrying this over from the last thread. Is there any reason this is even being considered? Like, I understand it if someone doesn't like the Extraordinary Form, but imposing restrictions on it is downright petty and insulting to the members of the faithful and the clergy who wish to participate in the TLM over the Novus Ordo


There is a perception that the TLM is where all the reactionaries and right-wing schismatics go. Which is true to an extent (to the same degree that Orthodox aesthetics and liturgy attracts reactionaries, I'd say), most people I've met in person are Catholics who simply find the TLM to be a more spiritually satisfying form of the mass.
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North Washington Republic wrote:
Dylar wrote:Carrying this over from the last thread. Is there any reason this is even being considered? Like, I understand it if someone doesn't like the Extraordinary Form, but imposing restrictions on it is downright petty and insulting to the members of the faithful and the clergy who wish to participate in the TLM over the Novus Ordo


Considering that this is coming from the Remnant, I’m skeptical of this report.

indeed
i've found stories about him restricting it within St. Peter’s Basilica itself, but the Remnant is the only one I could find that had picked up the story about the church at large
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Kowani wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Considering that this is coming from the Remnant, I’m skeptical of this report.

indeed
i've found stories about him restricting it within St. Peter’s Basilica itself, but the Remnant is the only one I could find that had picked up the story about the church at large


Which I also think is petty. But I digress.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:26 pm

Ooh, first page.

In the spirit of the convo, is anyone willing to explain the TLM to me - I suppose I could look it up on Wikipedia, but that’d be boring :p

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Lord Dominator wrote:Ooh, first page.

In the spirit of the convo, is anyone willing to explain the TLM to me - I suppose I could look it up on Wikipedia, but that’d be boring :p


Well, in short, it's the traditional form of the mass that has been practiced for a good few hundred years, and it's liturgical language is latin.
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Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:indeed
i've found stories about him restricting it within St. Peter’s Basilica itself, but the Remnant is the only one I could find that had picked up the story about the church at large


Which I also think is petty. But I digress.

I'm trying to find the primary source
but the paper The Remnant cited, Messa in Latino (Mass in Latin), doesn't actually cite it either (also, it's a blog...?)

so the MIL claimed the Pope proclaimed this change at the CEI (Italian Episcopal Conference)
but while he did talk about a Motu proprio while he was there...it seems to have been different ones
the tradcaths are up in arms about an alleged reform to Benedict's Summorum Pontificum.
but the Pope is doing something about his own work, the Mitis Iudex Dominus Iesus, plus the Spiritus Domini and the Antiquum Ministerium

but there's one other major problem
this meeting never happened
MIL proclaimed it to be (translated) "yesterday (24.5.2021)"
but there was no conference during this time (and there is no annual meeting at all, they're seasonal)
it was a whole month ahead the Spring Session of the Permanent Episcopal Council took place in 22 to 24 of March
and as a typo, it doesn't work either
MIL claimed this happened "at the opening of the work of the annual assembly of the EIC"
but the 24th was the last day of the Spring Conference

so i'm gonna say...with relative certainty...this never happened, and someone's playing the propaganda game for political purposes
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Kowani wrote:so i'm gonna say...with relative certainty...this never happened, and someone's playing the propaganda game for political purposes


Thou shalt not bear false witness (unless you can use it to stoke partisan outrage at your political opponents).
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Australian rePublic wrote:If I wanted to comission the construction of a church (the physical building), how would I go about doing so?


By having a lot of money.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:27 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:If I wanted to comission the construction of a church (the physical building), how would I go about doing so?


By having a lot of money.

Having a congregation to go with it is also useful

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Lord Dominator wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
By having a lot of money.

Having a congregation to go with it is also useful


That's easy, just stop by the local dispensary
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Postby North Washington Republic » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:51 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:
Kowani wrote:so i'm gonna say...with relative certainty...this never happened, and someone's playing the propaganda game for political purposes


Thou shalt not bear false witness (unless you can use it to stoke partisan outrage at your political opponents).


And that is what exactly what the Remnant newspaper is known for. They’re not the type of trad Catholics that “just prefer the TLM”, they are indeed the reactionaries that hate Vatican II and the Novus Ordo, no matter how reverent and “by the book” it is. They’re as close as to being sedes without act being sede.
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Lord Dominator wrote:
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By having a lot of money.

Having a congregation to go with it is also useful

Exactly, a church is nothing but a building without the people

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