A STATEMENT ON MAY 29TH

[Krovx]

A STATEMENT ON MAY 29TH

On Saturday, May 29th, the Founder of The Socialist Syndicalist Union, referred to as TSSU from here on, passworded and banned every nation from the region then left. Thus we, the remainder of the government, began immediately planning to refound. Unbeknownst to us, the Prime Minister of Force, who happens to be the Chancellor of Justice in TSSU, began to plan to intercept the refound while knowing about the native plan to refound.

Around 30 minutes before the operation was set to occur, the Founder of Force, Renegalle, was informed of the operation. It was planned by the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister of Force, and was to be conducted as a Union Armed Forces, the military of Force, Operation. As far as I know, nobody outside of the PM, DPM, and Founder of Force knew of the operation before it occurred. As soon as TSSU Ceased to Exist, both sides hit the button to refound the region, and Force was the one who got it. The Deputy Prime Minister of Force had been the one to refound the region and once they did so they handed the Founder Nation to Renegalle. TSSU noticed this immediately and founded a region to reside for the time being.

Force's Prime Minister then had the idea to offer a referendum to TSSU on if they wanted to join Force, but they had Renegalle pass the idea off as their own. TSSU, having their home in the hands of Force, didn't really have a choice on if they wanted to have a referendum or not, for Force had all the cards. Thus we agreed to it, but I unintentionally brought up what had occurred in NationStates Leaders, referred to as NSL from here on. NSL having learned of what happened began to discuss what had occurred. Several leaders came to the conclusion that Force was in the wrong, and I was even messaged by The North Pacific's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Madjack, who asked for information on the matter.

All of this eventually led to the URA-TWP-TNP-TP Joint Statement on Force. Force then had to rapidly form a narrative that made them seem better in the situation then they were in reality. This is the reason that Force's replies to the Joint Statement give multiple, and at times, conflicting reason for their actions. Force tried to play their operation off as a joke that was communicated poorly in an attempt to salvage their reputation. The Joint Statement and pressure from others, lead to the Founder Nation of TSSU being handed over to the native government of the region. Renegalle has since offered to help TSSU if it needs any help, say that it is the least that he could do considering what has happened.

That is the truth about what happened on Saturday, May 29th. But, I implore all to not cut ties or to think of Force or it's members negatively. They don't deserve all of that. Additionally, don't cut ties with Force's territories over this either, they didn't do anything, they don't deserve to be punished for the actions of a few of the members of the Capital. I know that asking for mercy to be given to Force after saying all the things they did on that day doesn't make much sense, but they've been through enough. I know several members of their Federal Government and of some of their Territorially Governments quite well, and they are good people that don't deserve to be treated this way.

I know that what I say isn't guaranteed to change your mind on this debacle, but I can try at least, and that is all that matters to me. There is a possibility that I can change your mind, and I'm betting all on black that I can.

Sincerely

Krovx

[Cormactopia Prime]

That is the truth about what happened on Saturday, May 29th. But, I implore all to not cut ties or to think of Force or it's members negatively. They don't deserve all of that. Additionally, don't cut ties with Force's territories over this either, they didn't do anything, they don't deserve to be punished for the actions of a few of the members of the Capital. I know that asking for mercy to be given to Force after saying all the things they did on that day doesn't make much sense, but they've been through enough. I know several members of their Federal Government and of some of their Territorially Governments quite well, and they are good people that don't deserve to be treated this way.

This is very kind of you, but quite independent of what Force did in regard to TSSU is what Force's Founder did in the aftermath, particularly the appalling conduct on the NSL server. My guess is most regions will continue to look at that conduct as the deciding factor in whether to open or maintain relations with Force and its member regions, as well as combining that conduct with the totality of issues related to Force, such as past conduct and their unsavory associations.

Barring meaningful reform, Entropy will certainly not be opening any kind of relations with Force in the future and should they continue with this pattern I expect we'll join other regions in condemning it and taking action if necessary. Hopefully they'll take this situation as an indication of their need to reform.

Regardless, I think this was a very kind statement for you to put out and more benevolent than Force deserved. I've seen the logs and the pressure they put on TSSU's community in regard to the referendum was unduly coercive and went beyond mere suggestion, in my view. I nonetheless respect you trying to put the matter behind you and I think it speaks well of TSSU. Unfortunately, at this point, I think there is very little that could speak well of Force.

[Xoriet]

That is the truth about what happened on Saturday, May 29th. But, I implore all to not cut ties or to think of Force or it's members negatively. They don't deserve all of that. Additionally, don't cut ties with Force's territories over this either, they didn't do anything, they don't deserve to be punished for the actions of a few of the members of the Capital. I know that asking for mercy to be given to Force after saying all the things they did on that day doesn't make much sense, but they've been through enough. I know several members of their Federal Government and of some of their Territorially Governments quite well, and they are good people that don't deserve to be treated this way.

Sorry, Krovx, but that's not how that works. If Force had kept their conduct professional in handling the situation instead of vastly exacerbating it by going into all sorts of areas they should never have touched, they wouldn't be in this position. A region having plenty of nice people amidst some bad eggs has never stopped a region from being condemned internationally before. When leadership does something that will incur consequences, the member base will suffer from it whether or not they deserve to be lumped in with that leadership. Leadership making poor choices simply impacts their members and that's just how things have always worked. The issue has moved well past TSSU at this point thanks to that aforementioned conduct. TSSU making a plea for clemency would have applied in an impactful sense had the issue remained TSSU and not moved well past that because of Force leadership's poor decisionmaking.

[Aynia Moreaux]

I think it's important to remember that leadership, and especially founders and upper leadership, represent the region as a whole. So in a lot of ways, it doesn't really matter if the region has quite a few of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. What matters is how that region represents itself, treats others, and just generally interacts with the greater gameplay world. From what I've seen, the leaders of Force really have no remorse and have went to lengths to attack players and be hostile. That's not going to reflect a good light on the region as a whole.

I understand where you are coming from, don't punish everyone for the mistakes of a few, but it's different when those who are doing the egregious acts are the leaders of the region, because they are setting the example of the regions outlook and diplomacy, and that reflects on the region and the perception of the region as a whole. I feel like at this point it's less 'don't punish innocent people' and more 'those innocent people probably need to look for a better place to call home'.

I feel like this entire post is trying to put a bandaid over what happened and just rewrite events and shrug off bad behaviour. It was a crappy move that they did, and their handling it in the aftermath was atrocious, just call it for what it is.

[Krovx]

I feel like this entire post is trying to put a bandaid over what happened and just rewrite events and shrug off bad behaviour. It was a crappy move that they did, and their handling it in the aftermath was atrocious, just call it for what it is.

Oh absolutely not. What Force did was stupid, there's no other way to put it. They then proceeded to handle the situation terribly.

[Krovx]

This is very kind of you, but quite independent of what Force did in regard to TSSU is what Force's Founder did in the aftermath, particularly the appalling conduct on the NSL server. My guess is most regions will continue to look at that conduct as the deciding factor in whether to open or maintain relations with Force and its member regions, as well as combining that conduct with the totality of issues related to Force, such as past conduct and their unsavory associations.

This entire statement is independent of all governments, and what happened in the aftermath of the 29th isn't of concern to me as an individual. What happened afterword was entirely Renegalle's fault for saying what he did.

Regardless, I think this was a very kind statement for you to put out and more benevolent than Force deserved. I've seen the logs and the pressure they put on TSSU's community in regard to the referendum was unduly coercive and went beyond mere suggestion, in my view. I nonetheless respect you trying to put the matter behind you and I think it speaks well of TSSU.

Yeah, I could have worded a couple things a bit better. The referendum wasn't really a suggestion at all, it was forced.

Unfortunately, at this point, I think there is very little that could speak well of Force.

That's because 99% of Force has the diplomatic tact of a fish, which is to say none.

[Krovx]

The issue has moved well past TSSU at this point thanks to that aforementioned conduct. TSSU making a plea for clemency would have applied in an impactful sense had the issue remained TSSU and not moved well past that because of Force leadership's poor decisionmaking.

Oh I know that Renegalle said several things that should not have been said, but that's not what this statement is about. Judge them all you want for that, I'm not gonna defend that at all. I simply feel that the vast majority of Force, and especially it's territories, shouldn't be punished due to the stupidity of the capital leaders on the 29th of May.

[Noble Titans]

The issue has moved well past TSSU at this point thanks to that aforementioned conduct. TSSU making a plea for clemency would have applied in an impactful sense had the issue remained TSSU and not moved well past that because of Force leadership's poor decisionmaking.

Oh I know that Renegalle said several things that should not have been said, but that's not what this statement is about. Judge them all you want for that, I'm not gonna defend that at all. I simply feel that the vast majority of Force, and especially it's territories, shouldn't be punished due to the stupidity of the capital leaders on the 29th of May.

Sadly it’s why I was saying to you to focus on how to best separate yourself and TSSU from it. Vast majority of Force’s population had nothing to do with this situation at all. My biggest lesson I learned about being founder or a WA delegate is what you do reflects on your region to. Rene who is the founder of Force sadly put their region last. Rene at this point knows what they need to do. Will they do the right thing? Well I can’t answer that for them. I hope you learn from this, and be the founder that will rebuild TSSU.