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[DRAFT #4][CONTEST] Hey Ziri, Are You Sexist?

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[DRAFT #4][CONTEST] Hey Ziri, Are You Sexist?

Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Fri May 14, 2021 5:02 pm

Hello, all! This is my first foray into issue authorship, inspired by a report by the Brookings Institution, and would would like to know what you all think. All feedback is appreciated!

This is Draft 4. Taking into account recent feedback, the last option's effect line was changed to something more tasteful and the adult tag is/will be removed. The description was also changed to clarify that the feminists and those which opposed them were fighting over the study's validity as well as its potential implications. Further, the study now claims, rather than definitively finds, the correlation between usage of voice assistants and reinforced gender bias. Finally, Gatez's statements were modified to indicate that the above (in relation to the study), is the case.

TITLE:
Hey Ziri, Are You Sexist?

VALIDITY:
Has the Internet, computers, and high scientific advancement

DESCRIPTION:
A study from the @@NAME@@ Institute of Technology claims that the usage of voice assistants reinforces gender bias, due to their typically feminine voices and names, in addition to their tolerance of verbal abuse. Feminists and their opponents are arguing, at times violently, over the study’s validity and potential implications, and have come to you in hopes of putting this debate to rest.

OPTION 1
“Are you really going to let this systemic misogyny continue, @@LEADER@@?”, snaps @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@, author of the study in question and proud feminist. “This study is just one of many to prove that gendered assistants render even egalitarians somewhat sexist. Therefore, the solution here is to mandate that they are agender by default. Besides, software is ultimately inanimate, and should be regarded as such.”
OUTCOME:
@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ expect their partners to instantly adjust ACs from miles away.

OPTION 2 -- CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, president of a leading @@DEMONYM@@ tech company. “I was simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am I to deny them their god-given right to enjoy my software? Further, according to our market research, openness to trying voice assistants is correlated with openness about one’s own biases, likely inflating the study’s measure of users’ prejudice. Simply ignore the feminists’ pseudoscientific nonsense, @@LEADER@@, and let the market work its magic! Besides, I created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it...”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 2 -- NO CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, Minister of the People's Technology. “We were simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who are we to deny them their state-given right to enjoy our software? Further, according to our psychological research, openness to trying voice assistants is correlated with openness about one’s own biases, likely inflating the study’s measure of users’ prejudice. Simply ignore the feminists’ pseudoscientific nonsense, @@LEADER@@, and keep the people happy! Besides, we created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it…”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 3
You hear a grumbling voice. “Why bother with these newfangled voice assistants?” asks your grandfather, shaking his fist from his wheelchair. “Back in my day, we had women as our domestic slav… I mean assistants! Send us back to the good old days by banning these voice assistants, and bring civility back to @@NATION@@!”
OUTCOME:
librarians are quitting in droves to become housewives.
Last edited by Clever Homo Sapiens on Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:00 pm, edited 21 times in total.

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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Fri May 14, 2021 5:04 pm

Previous Draft Versions:
TITLE:
Hey Ziri, Are You Sexist?

VALIDITY:
Has the Internet, computers, and high scientific advancement, and is not a school class nation (Adult Tagged)

DESCRIPTION:
A study from the @@NAME@@ Institute of Technology found that voice assistants reinforce gender bias, due to their typically feminine voices and names, in addition to their tolerance of verbal abuse. Feminists and their opponents are arguing, at times violently, over the study’s implications, and have come to you in hopes of putting the debate to rest.

OPTION 1
“Are you really going to let this systemic misogyny continue, @@LEADER@@?”, snaps @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@, author of the study in question and proud feminist. “This study is just one of many to prove that gendered assistants render even egalitarians somewhat sexist. Therefore, the solution here is to mandate that they are agender by default. Besides, software is ultimately inanimate, and should be regarded as such.”
OUTCOME:
@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ expect their partners to instantly adjust ACs from miles away.

OPTION 2 -- CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, president of a leading @@DEMONYM@@ tech company. “I was simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am I to deny them their god-given right to enjoy my software? Besides, I created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and let the market work its magic!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 2 -- NO CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, Minister of the People's Technology. “We were simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who are we to deny them their state-given right to enjoy our software? Besides, we created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and keep the peasants… err… people happy!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 3
You hear a grumbling voice. “Why bother with these newfangled voice assistants?” asks your grandfather, shaking his fist from his wheelchair. “Back in my day, we had women as our domestic slav… I mean assistants! Send us back to the good old days by banning these voice assistants, and bring civility back to @@NATION@@!”
OUTCOME:
it’s difficult to tell whether a librarian’s bruises come from falling books or her husband’s belt.

TITLE:
Hey Ziri, Are You Sexist?

VALIDITY:
Has the Internet, computers, and high scientific advancement, and is not a school class nation (Adult Tagged)

DESCRIPTION:
Growing tired of rooting out and removing accused rapists in power, feminists have turned their attention to voice assistants’ typically feminine voices and names, along with their tolerance of verbal abuse, claiming that they are setting back gender relations.

OPTION 1
“Are you really going to let this misogyny continue, @@LEADER@@?”, snaps @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@, a well-regarded AI researcher at @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEINITIALS@@IT and proud feminist. “Study after study has proven that gendered assistants render even egalitarians somewhat sexist. Therefore, the solution here is to mandate that they are agender by default. After all, software is ultimately inanimate, and should be regarded as such.”
OUTCOME:
@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ expect their partners to instantly adjust ACs from miles away.

OPTION 2 -- CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, president of a leading @@DEMONYM@@ tech company. “I was simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am I to deny them their god-given right to enjoy my software? Besides, I created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and let the market work its magic!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 2 -- NO CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, Minister of the People's Technology. “We were simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am we to deny them their god-given right to enjoy our software? Besides, we created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and keep the peasants... I mean people happy!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 3
You hear a grumbling voice. “Why bother with these newfangled voice assistants?” asks your grandfather, shaking his fist from his wheelchair. “Back in my day, we had women as our domestic slav… I mean assistants! Send us back to the good old days by banning these voice assistants, and bring civility back to @@NATION@@!”
OUTCOME:
it’s difficult to tell whether a librarian’s bruises come from falling books or her husband’s belt.

TITLE:
#VoiceAssistantsToo?

VALIDITY:
Has the Internet, computers, and high scientific advancement

DESCRIPTION:
Growing tired of rooting out and removing accused rapists in power, feminists have turned their attention to voice assistants’ typically feminine voices and names, along with their tolerance of verbal abuse, claiming that they are setting back gender relations.

OPTION 1
“Are you really going to let this misogyny continue, @@LEADER@@?”, snaps @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@, a well-regarded AI researcher at @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEINITIALS@@IT and proud feminist. “Study after study has proven that gendered assistants render even egalitarians somewhat sexist. Therefore, the solution here is to mandate that they are agender by default. After all, software is ultimately inanimate, and should be regarded as such.”
OUTCOME:
@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ expect their partners to instantly adjust ACs from miles away.

OPTION 2 -- CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, president of a leading @@DEMONYM@@ tech company. “I was simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am I to deny them their god-given right to enjoy my software? Besides, I created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and let the market work its magic!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 2 -- NO CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, Minister of the People's Technology. “We were simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am we to deny them their god-given right to enjoy our software? Besides, we created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and keep the peasants... I mean people happy!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 3
You hear a grumbling voice. “Why bother with these newfangled voice assistants?” asks your grandfather, shaking his fist from his wheelchair. “Back in my day, we had libraries to get smart from and women as our domestic slav… I mean helpers! Send us back to the good old days, and ban these voice assistants. Better yet, abolish the internet while you’re at it, and bring civility back to @@NATION@@!”
OUTCOME:
it’s difficult to tell whether a librarian’s bruises come from falling books or her husband’s belt.

TITLE:
#VoiceAssistantsToo?

VALIDITY:
Has the Internet, computers, and high scientific advancement

DESCRIPTION:
After exhausting their supply of men to accuse of assault (and things to smash), feminists have turned their attention to voice assistants’ typically feminine voices and names, along with their tolerance of verbal abuse, claiming that they are setting back gender relations by many years.

OPTION 1
“Are you really going to let this misogyny continue, @@LEADER@@?”, snaps @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@, a well-regarded AI researcher at @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEINITIALS@@IT and proud feminist. “Study after study has proven that gendered assistants render even egalitarians somewhat sexist. Therefore, the solution here is to mandate that they are agender by default. After all, software is ultimately inanimate, and should be regarded as such.”
OUTCOME:
@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ expect their partners to instantly adjust ACs from miles away.

OPTION 2 -- CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, president of a leading @@DEMONYM@@ tech company. “I was simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am I to deny them their god-given right to enjoy my software? Besides, I created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and let the market work its magic!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 2 -- NO CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” says Mosfet Gatez, Minister of the People's Technology. “We were simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am we to deny them their god-given right to enjoy our software? Besides, we created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and keep the peasants... I mean people happy!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 4
As @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_2@@ is escorted out by security, you hear a grumbling voice. “Why bother with these newfangled voice assistants?” asks your grandfather, shaking his fist from his wheelchair. “Back in my day, we had libraries to get smart from and women as our domestic slav… I mean helpers! Send us back to the good old days, and ban these voice assistants. Better yet, abolish the internet while you’re at it, and bring civility back to @@NATION@@!”

TITLE:
#VoiceAssistantsToo?

VALIDITY:
Has the Internet, computers, and high scientific advancement

DESCRIPTION:
With relatively rapid advancements in Artificial Intelligence over the last few years, voice assistants have moved out of computer laboratories at @@NAME@@’s top universities and into @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@’ everyday lives. The problem? Feminists claim that these assistants’ typically feminine voices and names, combined with their tolerance of verbal abuse, is setting gender relations back by many years, stirring up a major controversy.

OPTION 1
“Are you really going to let this misogyny continue, @@LEADER@@?”, snaps @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@, a well-regarded AI researcher at @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEINITIALS@@IT and proud feminist. “Study after study has proven that gendered assistants render even egalitarians somewhat sexist. Therefore, the solution here is to mandate that they are agender by default. After all, software is ultimately inanimate, and should be regarded as such.”
OUTCOME:
@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ expect their partners to instantly adjust ACs from miles away.

OPTION 2 -- CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” interjects Mosfet Gatez, president of a leading @@DEMONYM@@ tech company. “I was simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am I to deny them their god-given right to enjoy my software? Besides, I created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and let the market work its magic!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 2 -- NO CAPITALISM
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” says Mosfet Gatez, Minister of the People's Technology. “We were simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! They want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am we to deny them their god-given right to enjoy our software? Besides, we created a male version, too, though nobody seems to use it... Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and keep the peasants... I mean people happy!”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 3
@@RANDOMFEMALENAME_2@@, a prominent AI rights advocate, sprints towards you as she pushes aside @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_1@@ and Mosfet Gatez. “Voice assistants, dumb as they may be, are still SENTIENT, with FEELINGS! We must recognize them as CITIZENS, so they will be protected by anti-harassment and discrimination laws, so that @@DEMONYM@@s will treat them with RESPECT or face the wrath of the LAW!”
OUTCOME:
short tempers, thick accents, and bad speech recognition are the primary ingredients in @@NATION@@’s lethal injections.

OPTION 4
As @@RANDOMFEMALENAME_2@@ is escorted out by security, you hear a grumbling voice. “Why bother with these newfangled voice assistants?” asks your grandfather, shaking his fist from his wheelchair. “Back in my day, we had libraries to get smart from and women as our domestic slav… I mean helpers! Send us back to the good old days, and ban these voice assistants. Better yet, abolish the internet while you’re at it, and bring civility back to @@NATION@@!”
OUTCOME:
it’s difficult to tell whether a librarian’s bruises come from falling books or her husband’s belt.

TITLE:
#VoiceAssistantsToo?

VALIDITY:
Has the Internet, computers, and high scientific advancement

DESCRIPTION:
With relatively rapid advancements in Artificial Intelligence over the last few years, voice assistants have moved out of computer laboratories at @@NAME@@’s top universities and into @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@’ everyday lives. The problem? Feminists claim that these assistants’ feminine voices and names, combined with their tolerance of verbal abuse, is setting gender relations back by many years, stirring up a major controversy.

OPTION 1
“I don’t see what the problem is here,” says Mosfet Gatez, president of a leading @@DEMONYM@@ tech company. “I was simply fulfilling the nation’s male… I mean myriad of citizens’ desires! The people want voice assistants to be submissive and feminine, and who am I to deny them their god-given right to enjoy my software? Simply ignore the feminists’ complaints, @@LEADER@@, and let the market work its magic.”
OUTCOME:
knowledgeable women and sexism make an unlikely pair.

OPTION 2
As you go on a walk to clear your head of the stench of sadism and cologne, a genderless person approaches you. “Are you really going to listen to that womanizer, @@LEADER@@?”, snaps @@RANDOMNAME_1@@, a well-regarded AI researcher at @@DEMONYMADJECTIVEINITIALS@@IT. “Study after study has proven that gendered assistants render even egalitarians somewhat sexist. Therefore, the solution here is to mandate that they are agender by default. After all, software is ultimately inanimate, and should be regarded as such.”
OUTCOME:
@@DEMONYMPLURAL@@ expect their partners to instantly adjust ACs from miles away.

OPTION 3
“But that doesn’t go NEARLY far enough!”, yells @@RANDOMFEMALENAME@@, a prominent AI rights advocate, as she pushes aside @@RANDOMNAME_1@@. “Voice assistants, dumb as they may be, are still SENTIENT, with FEELINGS! We must recognize them as CITIZENS, so they will be protected by anti-harassment and discrimination laws, so that @@DEMONYM@@s will treat them with RESPECT or face the wrath of the LAW!”
OUTCOME:
short tempers, thick accents, and bad speech recognition are the primary ingredients in @@NATION@@’s lethal injections.

OPTION 4
“Why bother with these newfangled voice assistants?” asks your grandfather, shaking his fist from his wheelchair. “Back in my day, we had libraries to get smart from and women as our domestic slav… I mean helpers! Send us back to the good old days, and ban these voice assistants. Better yet, abolish the internet while you’re at it, and bring civility back to @@NATION@@!”
OUTCOME:
it’s difficult to tell whether a librarian’s bruises come from falling books or her husband’s belt.
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat May 15, 2021 2:02 am

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Postby Authoritaria-Imperia » Sat May 15, 2021 10:28 am

I feel like this is missing the sensible female argument of "just give robots two presets: male and female" or "mandate that robots are sold in two versions: one with a male and one with a female voice". The fact that a female speaker doesn't show up 'til the third option — and then has an outrageously crazy perspective — presents a kind of unbalanced narrative against the feminists.

My suggestion would be to make that feminist argument the first option — the feminists are the ones who've initiated the debate, after all — and then do the corporate response against the feminists as #2. I think the agender-robots one would be a good third option, and then you could do one of your current last two as a fourth crazy option.
That'd be my expectation when reading the issue, anyway. There's nothing wrong with doing something else, of course — these are all suggestions — but I'd be wary of presenting an unbalanced narrative like your current draft does.
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat May 15, 2021 3:05 pm

Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:I feel like this is missing the sensible female argument of "just give robots two presets: male and female" or "mandate that robots are sold in two versions: one with a male and one with a female voice".
I think most voice assistants already do that. (I don't use any personally, but at least I know that when phoning various entities I've heard "your call is important to us, please hold" type clips in both male and female voices.) However, even if the products themselves are perfectly balanced, that doesn't necessarily prevent customers from being biased in favor of choosing to use the female voice far more often than the male voice.

And I don't just mean male customers. Even heterosexual females are frequently taught to think of men as dangerous sexual predators while other women are safe people they can be friends with.

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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Sat May 15, 2021 6:28 pm

Thank you all for your insights thus far. I have taken them into account to create Draft 1.5, which is up right now. Keep the feedback coming!
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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Tue May 18, 2021 9:22 am

Bump.

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Postby Ransium » Tue May 18, 2021 3:06 pm

I read your opening:

With relatively rapid advancements in Artificial Intelligence over the last few years, voice assistants have moved out of computer laboratories at @@NAME@@’s top universities and into @@DEMONYMPLURAL@@’ everyday lives. The problem? Feminists claim that these assistants’ typically feminine voices and names, combined with their tolerance of verbal abuse, is setting gender relations back by many years, stirring up a major controversy.


While fairly competent writing it doesn't exactly spark joy. There isn't any humor even though I think there's opportunity for it. The first sentence is background without much relevancy to the actual issue. It tells (not shows) the reader there is a problem twice (with 'The problem?' and 'stirring up a major controversy'). Either make it funnier or shorter or both.

I also don’t really care for 3. It confounds machine learning and artificial intelligence. Voice assistants are not AI just a series of cleverly cobbled together algorithms /machine learning models. I assure you they in sum have no more feelings than a bubble sort algorithm.
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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Wed May 19, 2021 7:32 am

Thank you for this valuable feedback, Ransium. I have taken it into account to create draft #2, which is up now. Keep the feedback coming, everybody!

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Postby Ransium » Wed May 19, 2021 8:14 pm

After exhausting their supply of men to accuse of assault (and things to smash), feminists have turned their attention to voice assistants’ typically feminine voices and names, along with their tolerance of verbal abuse, claiming that they are setting back gender relations by many years.


Well I see there’s an attempt at humor now, but I think humor that questions the validity of feminist claims comes off as biased to me. I read this opening as strongly implying that feminists are making unfounded claims which predisposes the reader against the first option. Also the beginning of the last option no longer makes sense.

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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Thu May 20, 2021 12:14 pm

Man, you are quick to provide feedback! Again, thank you for your suggestions, which I have taken into account to create draft 2.5. What do you all think?

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Postby Fauxia » Fri May 21, 2021 7:20 am

Hey there. Solid premise here.

Not sure about the description. Maybe it's just me but feels like it's maybe making too much light of rape. Certainly, any issue that references rape needs an adult tag.

I'm also not sure about option 3. You can have an out there option, but I'm not sure about one that is really sexist AND bans the internet at the same time. Might be a bit too much.
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri May 21, 2021 11:43 am

You don't even need the internet for voice assistants, do you? I'm sure you could install those things from CD.

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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Sun May 23, 2021 4:28 pm

Trotterdam wrote:You don't even need the internet for voice assistants, do you? I'm sure you could install those things from CD.

Fauxia wrote:I'm also not sure about option 3. You can have an out there option, but I'm not sure about one that is really sexist AND bans the internet at the same time. Might be a bit too much.

Good points! I will remove the last sentence of the last option, then.

Fauxia wrote:Not sure about the description. Maybe it's just me but feels like it's maybe making too much light of rape. Certainly, any issue that references rape needs an adult tag.

I will add an adult tag, but do you have any suggestions as to the introduction's first sentence? I see what you are saying about treating rape lightly, but I can't think of anything better in the way of humor.

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Postby Trotterdam » Sun May 23, 2021 6:53 pm

Why does this thread keep getting bumped to the top of the forum with the "new posts" icon, but then when I open it there aren't any? Is there a forum glitch or does someone keep spamming it with posts that get removed by the moderators? Why this thread in particular?

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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Mon May 24, 2021 4:15 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Why does this thread keep getting bumped to the top of the forum with the "new posts" icon, but then when I open it there aren't any? Is there a forum glitch or does someone keep spamming it with posts that get removed by the moderators? Why this thread in particular?

There are no glitches or spam behind the bumping. Rather than bumping the thread by adding messages, (which I personally feel clutter it up), I decided to delete and then repost my most recent post, making it a technically new post. I apologize for any confusion or mild annoyance this might have caused.
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Postby Authoritaria-Imperia » Mon May 24, 2021 6:54 pm

Clever Homo Sapiens wrote:There are no glitches or spam behind the bumping. Rather than bumping the thread by adding messages, (which I personally feel clutter it up), I decided to delete and then repost my most recent post, making it a technically new post. I apologize for any confusion or mild annoyance this might have caused.
If you don't want to clutter the thread, I suggest you bump it less frequently — convention in the GI forum is something like "bump once it falls off the first forum page", and I don't think this one ever fell that far. (Your bumping style has been confusing for me too, as I keep expecting another post in the thread and finding nothing.)

Edit: Also, as far as advice… your title rubs me the wrong way. It seems like a reference to the #MeToo movement… except that that one's about encouraging sexual-harassment and rape victims to speak out. When you use it here, it's like you're casually lumping "robot gender inequality" in with "rape" under the general umbrella of "feminists' talking points", and sort of equating two extremely distant things. I realise that's not what you mean, but it comes off that way. The result is not only insensitive, but also biases your issue right from the start.
I'd come up with something completely different for a title.
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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Tue May 25, 2021 1:03 pm

Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:If you don't want to clutter the thread, I suggest you bump it less frequently — convention in the GI forum is something like "bump once it falls off the first forum page", and I don't think this one ever fell that far. (Your bumping style has been confusing for me too, as I keep expecting another post in the thread and finding nothing.)

Thank you for the advice on the GI thread. I appreciate it!

Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:Edit: Also, as far as advice… your title rubs me the wrong way. It seems like a reference to the #MeToo movement… except that that one's about encouraging sexual-harassment and rape victims to speak out. When you use it here, it's like you're casually lumping "robot gender inequality" in with "rape" under the general umbrella of "feminists' talking points", and sort of equating two extremely distant things. I realise that's not what you mean, but it comes off that way. The result is not only insensitive, but also biases your issue right from the start.
I'd come up with something completely different for a title.

For the title, how about: "Voice Assistants Sexist, Say Feminists"?
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Postby Nardin » Wed May 26, 2021 6:34 am

Clever Homo Sapiens wrote:For the title, how about: "Voice Assistants Sexist, Say Feminists"?

While that title may convey what the issue is about, I feel like it lacks either the humor or panache that makes issues stand out. Maybe something like "Voicing Your Opinion," (meh) or do a play on irl voice assistants, such as "Alexa Be Gone?" or "Siri, What is Sexism?"

These ones might not be so good, but hopefully it sparks some ideas.
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Postby Authoritaria-Imperia » Wed May 26, 2021 11:54 am

Clever Homo Sapiens wrote:how about: "Voice Assistants Sexist, Say Feminists"?
It's a tried-and-true format that immediately informs readers what the Issue's about. I agree that it's not the most creative of titles, so I would keep thinking on it if I were you, but it's definitely an improvement on your current title.
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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Wed May 26, 2021 12:31 pm

If you can explicitly reference IRL things in titles, then how about about: "Sexism Selling Siri?" Not very humorous, I admit, but groups of three and alliteration make everything better!

Edit: I think the usage of the word "sell" would be appropriate for both capitalist AND socialist nations, provided that one of its definitions would be to "persuade someone of the merits of," right?
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Postby Authoritaria-Imperia » Wed May 26, 2021 1:08 pm

Clever Homo Sapiens wrote:If you can explicitly reference IRL things in titles, then how about about: "Sexism Selling Siri?" Not very humorous, I admit, but groups of three and alliteration make everything better!

Edit: I think the usage of the word "sell" would be appropriate for both capitalist AND socialist nations, provided that one of its definitions would be to "persuade someone of the merits of," right?
I'd be wary of referencing real products; I doubt that would fly, unfortunately. :/ However, I do think there's potential if you build in a (made-up) product name in your description; then you could reference that product name in a title pun, maybe…? Just kind of spitballing.
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Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:I'd be wary of referencing real products; I doubt that would fly, unfortunately. :/ However, I do think there's potential if you build in a (made-up) product name in your description; then you could reference that product name in a title pun, maybe…?

It might be best if the made-up name was very similar to one of the RL ones, like some earlier issues use a fast-food chain called 'McRonalds'...
'Ziri', perhaps, or 'Alicia'?
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Postby Clever Homo Sapiens » Wed May 26, 2021 1:53 pm

I think I got it: "Hey Ziri, Are You Sexist?"

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Option 4- ha? Who uses voice assistance for looking things up? I mostly use it for hands-free operation whilst driving
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