[DRAFT] Repeal "Condemn Blackhelm Confederacy"

[Kylia Quilor]

Okay, I think you're misunderstanding the entire point of the exercise here. At least in terms of what is motivating me.

Taking the old resolution off the books is the entire point for me. The only reason I am contemplating writing a replacement condemnation based on decade old evidence in the first place is to accede to the arguments made by roleplayers here that, irrespective of the text of the resolution itself, for historical and OOC reasons, Blackhelm Confederacy deserves a condemnation.

Further, unless the SC changed the rules while I wasn't looking, which is possible, you can't condemn a nation for the same thing twice (at least if the original condemnation is still active), and since all I'll be doing is endeavoring to write a resolution that does the job of original, but (in theory) better, I would run afoul of that rule

So, what I am aiming to do here is
1. Write a better condemnation so that people can see I have it in hand to present once the original is repealed
2. Write an updated and improved version of the repeal I've already drafted (Admittedly, significantly altered, as there are several obvious areas for improvement)
3. Repeal the old resolution
4. Replace it with the new, better one.

No, I'm not misunderstanding anything. I entirely get your motivation because I've been following this thread since you posted it. Your motivation behind this is to repeal the original one because it is aesthetically displeasing to you and you alone. Not to the RP community, not to the nominee, but to you. And this is perfectly okay. However, I am trying to give you advice.

Your interpretation of the rules is correct in one way, but off in another. Since the old condemnations are filled with giant holes and not as detailed as current ones it is entirely possible to pass a new condemnation containing some of the same content. As long as the new resolution holds more detail, and goes more in-depth, it will pass the mod check and can be voted upon.

This has been the case in the new condemnation of both Macedon and Durkadurkiranistan II, where both new proposals were passed while the old ones were still in place. In fact, Durkadurkiranistan II still has both the original and the new resolution in place which is what I personally think should be done for Blackhelm Confederacy.

...Giving me advice on what? You were giving advice on how to achieve something other than what I was setting out to achieve.

That would have been like giving... I don't know, Edison advice on how to buy cheap candles, or something. Completely unrelated, and indeed, in the opposite direction that intended.

The only reason I am contemplating writing a replacement condemnation based on decade old evidence in the first place is to accede to the arguments made by roleplayers here that, irrespective of the text of the resolution itself, for historical and OOC reasons, Blackhelm Confederacy deserves a condemnation.
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4. Replace it with the new, better one.

You cannot C&C an ex-nation.

The odds are fairly decent that by the time I had a replacement written, Blackhelm would come back, again.

[Lenlyvit]

No, I'm not misunderstanding anything. I entirely get your motivation because I've been following this thread since you posted it. Your motivation behind this is to repeal the original one because it is aesthetically displeasing to you and you alone. Not to the RP community, not to the nominee, but to you. And this is perfectly okay. However, I am trying to give you advice.

Your interpretation of the rules is correct in one way, but off in another. Since the old condemnations are filled with giant holes and not as detailed as current ones it is entirely possible to pass a new condemnation containing some of the same content. As long as the new resolution holds more detail, and goes more in-depth, it will pass the mod check and can be voted upon.

This has been the case in the new condemnation of both Macedon and Durkadurkiranistan II, where both new proposals were passed while the old ones were still in place. In fact, Durkadurkiranistan II still has both the original and the new resolution in place which is what I personally think should be done for Blackhelm Confederacy.

...Giving me advice on what? You were giving advice on how to achieve something other than what I was setting out to achieve.

That would have been like giving... I don't know, Edison advice on how to buy cheap candles, or something. Completely unrelated, and indeed, in the opposite direction that intended.

You cannot C&C an ex-nation.

The odds are fairly decent that by the time I had a replacement written, Blackhelm would come back, again.

My advice has been that your repeal faces a low likelihood of passing in the current atmosphere of the SC, and you should do a complimentary condemnation if you truly want to do anything. Sometimes I like to think that i have a pretty good read on the SC atmosphere, and I don't think I'm wrong here. In TNP you have an incoming delegate that is, at least sometimes, focused on role playing. I can't say I know Robespierre's mind, because I don't, but he may not be in favor of repealing a historical role play condemnation.

That, coupled with the fact that role players currently have quite a bit of sway in TNP, means a possible TNP against vote. In TEP the WA area is dominated by role play focused people (or at least semi-focused people) such as Wallenburg and last I knew Refuge. That makes a likely vote against in TEP since Wallenburg has already come in as kind of opposing I think? Over in TWP BBD holds some sway on giving advice to Dilbur on how to vote, so that's also a possible against.

Due to the new Partnership for Sovereignty TSP, XKI, and TRR (just to name a few) might have similar opinions. One influential member has already previously spoken about being against repealing old resolutions, so those are all possible no votes as well not counting the small regions that also joined the new org. Your repeal may very well be dead in the water no matter what.

[Nova Vandalia]

I do think Lenly is correct, Kylia, as unfortunate as the truth is it seems quite a few of the people who can make this happen or keep it from happening oppose it. I think that's unfortunate considering I've seen more deserving candidates have their awards repealed for less, without a blink from the folks who are opposing. Which strikes me personally as a little hypocritical of some of them, but I've never understood the whims of the SC.

[Wallenburg]

You cannot C&C an ex-nation.

The odds are fairly decent that by the time I had a replacement written, Blackhelm would come back, again.

Does Blackhelm Confederacy refound according to a probability curve?