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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 1:36 pm

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Saksadeschi admits to making an account( this case being Pydrania) to mock and flame other users before switching over to another account
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Postby Prydania » Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=502066&start=4925'

Saksadeschi admits to making an account( this case being Pydrania) to mock and flame other users before switching over to another account

People post as puppets all the time. And I never singled anyone out with Saksadeschi- just that it was a parody of neo-Nazis and white supremacists in general. That your posts- including one where you accused me of being racist against whites when all I was doing was voicing opposition to white supremacy- fit into a parody I made almost two years before I even knew who you were just amused me.
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Postby Santheres » Thu May 13, 2021 6:56 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=502066&start=4925'

Saksadeschi admits to making an account( this case being Pydrania) to mock and flame other users before switching over to another account


"I made this nation as a parody of a certain outlook and you fit the bill of what I had in mind" isn't the same as "I made this account to flame users" so, not actionable.

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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 7:46 pm

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Herzpunkt wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=502066&start=4925'

Saksadeschi admits to making an account( this case being Pydrania) to mock and flame other users before switching over to another account


"I made this nation as a parody of a certain outlook and you fit the bill of what I had in mind" isn't the same as "I made this account to flame users" so, not actionable.

Thanks!


So making puppet accounts to mock your perceived ideologal opponents is in the rules?
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Postby Santheres » Thu May 13, 2021 7:53 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Santheres wrote:
"I made this nation as a parody of a certain outlook and you fit the bill of what I had in mind" isn't the same as "I made this account to flame users" so, not actionable.

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So making puppet accounts to mock your perceived ideologal opponents is in the rules?
Just so were clear on this


Making a puppet that is a parody of a ideology is allowed, and is done constantly. That does not, however, protect you when you post things that are otherwise against the rules. Based on your question, I suspect one might consider making a puppet, trolling with it, and then trying to rules-lawyer one's way out of that by referencing this ruling and saying "but Santh said it was okay here" - and that is not what I am saying. The puppet currently in question is not doing any trolling, it merely exists as a parody. Any attempt at trolling with it, however, will be judged individually and this lack-of-action does not indicate that future posts will be likewise unactionable.

Thank you!
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 7:56 pm

Santheres wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
So making puppet accounts to mock your perceived ideologal opponents is in the rules?
Just so were clear on this


Making a puppet that is a parody of a ideology is allowed, and is done constantly. That does not, however, protect you when you post things that are otherwise against the rules. Based on your question, I suspect one might consider making a puppet, trolling with it, and then trying to rules-lawyer one's way out of that by referencing this ruling and saying "but Santh said it was okay here" - and that is not what I am saying. The puppet currently in question is not doing any trolling, it merely exists as a parody. Any attempt at trolling with it, however, will be judged individually and this lack-of-action does not indicate that future posts will be likewise unactionable.

Thank you!



What have i posted that was against the rules...

I would respectfully like a second moderators opinion, because im fairly certain making an account for the express purpose of MOCKING others is against site rules.
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Postby Santheres » Thu May 13, 2021 7:59 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
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Making a puppet that is a parody of a ideology is allowed, and is done constantly. That does not, however, protect you when you post things that are otherwise against the rules. Based on your question, I suspect one might consider making a puppet, trolling with it, and then trying to rules-lawyer one's way out of that by referencing this ruling and saying "but Santh said it was okay here" - and that is not what I am saying. The puppet currently in question is not doing any trolling, it merely exists as a parody. Any attempt at trolling with it, however, will be judged individually and this lack-of-action does not indicate that future posts will be likewise unactionable.

Thank you!



What have i posted that was against the rules...

I would respectfully like a second moderators opinion


The above post contains no ruling for which a second opinion is needed. At no point did I say that you have posted anything against the rules. Had I done so, you would have seen warning text and a direct reference to what broke the rules.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 8:01 pm

Santheres wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:

What have i posted that was against the rules...

I would respectfully like a second moderators opinion


The above post contains no ruling for which a second opinion is needed. At no point did I say that you have posted anything against the rules. Had I done so, you would have seen warning text and a direct reference to what broke the rules.


Your saying that an account made for the express purpose of mocking is good to go.

That is literally what your saying
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Postby Picairn » Thu May 13, 2021 8:05 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:Your saying that account made for the express purpose of mocking is good to go

That is literally what your saying

Yes, there are puppets that are literal parodies of an ideology. The nation Menta Lee-il for example, is an exaggerated version of North Korea.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 8:06 pm

Picairn wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:Your saying that account made for the express purpose of mocking is good to go

That is literally what your saying

Yes, there are puppets that are literal parodies of an ideology. The nation Menta Lee-il for example, is an exaggerated version of North Korea.


This wasnt a roleplay or anything of the sort it was in general
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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu May 13, 2021 8:07 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:So making puppet accounts to mock your perceived ideologal opponents is in the rules?
Just so were clear on this

This entire game was made to promote a political satire novel. Political satire has been baked into the game's foundation from day one. Parody/satire can be a dangerous site rules minefield to navigate, as it is a very fine line between "satire" and "trolling"; but mere parody itself is not against the rules. There have been many who have attempted it and still run afoul of the rules. The reported account has not yet done so.
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