Two Asian women repeatedly attacked with cinder block as the

[Kowani]

????????

tf are you talking about

1. I compared the 30 to the 95, not 205, my bad

ahhhhh, gotcha
don't worry about it

2. Quota systems for school admissions or jobs. Discriminate against Asians.

quotas in school admissions as a means of affirmative action were found to be unconstitutional as of UC Regents v Bakke
if you have actual evidence of them continuing today, i recommend a lawyer

[SKM]

Hang on, why is this subject about “asian hate” if they were employees of the store who were doing their job? I just think this title is misleading.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Hang on, why is this subject about “asian hate” if they were employees of the store who were doing their job? I just think this title is misleading.

It's extremely misleading.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Sure, LETS TALK STATS!!

Care the educate which racial group disproportionately commits violent crime in the USA? especially against asians?........................................

yeah I didn't think so

The fact that the race of the attacker is the most important part of this story to a lot of people is deeply concerning. I thought this thread was about a violent hate crime against Asians, not a poorly veiled "black people do crime" argument.

To be fair, this whole topic was about race from the very beginning. It's doubtful OP would have posed this if he didn't believe the guy was white, and this thread, from its inception, was designed to be racially charged.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

These people are paid to do such things. All of these attacks on Asians is Biden and the Left's way of getting revenge on them for their alleged support of Trump.

White people have also been racist towards Asians, but the overwhelming number (spanning decades) of physical violence against Asians have been committed by Blacks. Which is funny that BLM is pretending to care when their higher ups knows exactly what they are doing secretly.

[Ethel mermania]

1. I compared the 30 to the 95, not 205, my bad

ahhhhh, gotcha
don't worry about it

2. Quota systems for school admissions or jobs. Discriminate against Asians.

quotas in school admissions as a means of affirmative action were found to be unconstitutional as of UC Regents v Bakke
if you have actual evidence of them continuing today, i recommend a lawyer

Suits i believe gave been filed. The trainwreck i am watching now is the NYC elite HS's being destroyed.

Besides A lawyer would do me no good, I have no standing to sue, for I did not, not get into Harvard because of quota's, I did not get into Harvard because of grades

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

These people are paid to do such things. All of these attacks on Asians is Biden and the Left's way of getting revenge on them for their alleged support of Trump.

White people have also been racist towards Asians, but the overwhelming number (spanning decades) of physical violence against Asians have been committed by Blacks. Which is funny that BLM is pretending to care when their higher ups knows exactly what they are doing secretly.

ghk is that you? can i please have some acid too?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

These people are paid to do such things. All of these attacks on Asians is Biden and the Left's way of getting revenge on them for their alleged support of Trump.

White people have also been racist towards Asians, but the overwhelming number (spanning decades) of physical violence against Asians have been committed by Blacks. Which is funny that BLM is pretending to care when their higher ups knows exactly what they are doing secretly.

First off their higher ups? There isn't an organized holocaust of Asians by the black American community, it's random people. Second off, BIDEN AND THE LEFT? I mean seriously can people stop making me choke on the air with this phrase? Biden is left wing in the same universe where Trump was a good president and not the worst thing to happen to America in generations. If Biden is left wing to you, how far right are you? The man is a centrist. He is a centrist in the since that he supports the status quo (free trade, free market, American intervention) and in the literal sense that he often tries to compromise on issues. That's not left wing. And btw, most Asians Americans didn't support Trump. That's because they're more educated than the average American for one, which makes it less likely a person will support...well, this: https://youtu.be/A2SFo3TkvhM

And second they're mainly immigrant communities and often affected by the rampant abuse Trump allowed ICE to openly commit. Asian Americans also don't tend to be evangelical Christians, another predictor of support for a republican president. So idk why the left would punish Asians for not voting for Trump at all actually. But clearly, you're trying to make this more an issue of "black people bad, liberals suck" than actually caring about the fact elderly Asian people can't walk the street alone. You sure as hell did them no justice by making this an issue of black vs Asian while millions of black Americans condemn this violence and are standing up for Asian Americans. The issue isn't any color vs any color. Racism won't stop being an issue if you paint with a broad brush and say "everyone in X community and everyone in Y community don't get along" even though they do.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm not the one who responded to a thread with a link to NBC, by saying "media will never talk about it".
Let's skip the struggle against the obvious, and just deny the obvious shall we?

Insisting on a dumb argument does not make that argument right.

The reality is that MOST TVs and newspapers and big tech have a narrative and that narrative is anti white and pro black.

You yourself have not denied this. Instead you just try to divert to bla bla, it is complex thing

The media is an enormous, diverse thing. I think what you're following isn't "the media" so much as voices in your head.

Did Don Lemon say the problem with america was black people or white people? MSNBC? NYT? TWP?

You are just trying to muddy the waters. Just admit reality:

The anti-asian crime wave was blamed on redneck trump supporters, Reality is that it is DNC supporting blacks.

The facts of the article are that 1 (one) black man, possibly in the company of another person, assaulted 2 (two) Asian women, with a cinder block.
If that seems "significant" to you in establishing a trend, then you need less media of any sort, and a few days with a book about statistics.

Sure, LETS TALK STATS!!

Care the educate which racial group disproportionately commits violent crime in the USA? especially against asians?........................................

yeah I didn't think so

Nice of you to ignore issues like poverty and the legacy of discrimination and just go for the 13/50 argument again. I'm sure this will really help Asian American victims of hate crimes.

[Kowani]

ahhhhh, gotcha
don't worry about it

quotas in school admissions as a means of affirmative action were found to be unconstitutional as of UC Regents v Bakke
if you have actual evidence of them continuing today, i recommend a lawyer

Suits i believe gave been filed. The trainwreck i am watching now is the NYC elite HS's being destroyed.

Besides A lawyer would do me no good, I have no standing to sue, for I did not, not get into Harvard because of quota's, I did not get into Harvard because of grades

No. (Assuming we're talking about the current suit against Fairfax) The complaint alleges that "eliminating the long-standing race-neutral standardized admissions test was specifically intended to reduce the percentage of Asian-American students , with the ultimate goal of racially balancing the school
according to the racial demographics of Fairfax County

It does not, however, allege quotas
which are, as aforementioned, unconstitutional. In fact, the word "quota" never appears in the lawsuit at all.

[Ethel mermania]

Suits i believe gave been filed. The trainwreck i am watching now is the NYC elite HS's being destroyed.

Besides A lawyer would do me no good, I have no standing to sue, for I did not, not get into Harvard because of quota's, I did not get into Harvard because of grades

No. (Assuming we're talking about the current suit against Fairfax) The complaint alleges that "eliminating the long-standing race-neutral standardized admissions test was specifically intended to reduce the percentage of Asian-American students , with the ultimate goal of racially balancing the school
according to the racial demographics of Fairfax County

It does not, however, allege quotas
which are, as aforementioned, unconstitutional. In fact, the word "quota" never appears in the lawsuit at all.

Of course they don't use the word quota, that would be illegal. The effect is the same

[Kowani]

No. (Assuming we're talking about the current suit against Fairfax) The complaint alleges that "eliminating the long-standing race-neutral standardized admissions test was specifically intended to reduce the percentage of Asian-American students , with the ultimate goal of racially balancing the school
according to the racial demographics of Fairfax County

It does not, however, allege quotas
which are, as aforementioned, unconstitutional. In fact, the word "quota" never appears in the lawsuit at all.

Of course they don't use the word quota, that would be illegal.

...why would the legality of a quota affect the wording of a lawsuit from people alleging discrimination

The effect is the same

...no
no it's not

[Ethel mermania]

Of course they don't use the word quota, that would be illegal.

...why would the legality of a quota affect the wording of a lawsuit from people alleging discrimination

The effect is the same

...no
no it's not

Yes, yes it is. It limits the amount of Asian students accepted into the program.

[Kowani]

...why would the legality of a quota affect the wording of a lawsuit from people alleging discrimination

...no
no it's not

Yes, yes it is. It limits the amount of Asian students accepted into the program.

...i don't think you know what a "quota" is for this to be an accurate and applicable statement

[Ethel mermania]

Yes, yes it is. It limits the amount of Asian students accepted into the program.

...i don't think you know what a "quota" is for this to be an accurate and applicable statement

And I am fairly sure I do. Limiting one group is a quota on that group.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

These people are paid to do such things. All of these attacks on Asians is Biden and the Left's way of getting revenge on them for their alleged support of Trump.

White people have also been racist towards Asians, but the overwhelming number (spanning decades) of physical violence against Asians have been committed by Blacks. Which is funny that BLM is pretending to care when their higher ups knows exactly what they are doing secretly.

Do you have a source for this bullshit? Or did you just make it up?

[Kowani]

...i don't think you know what a "quota" is for this to be an accurate and applicable statement

And I am fairly sure I do. Limiting one group is a quota on that group.

that's not what quota means

[Ethel mermania]

And I am fairly sure I do. Limiting one group is a quota on that group.

that's not what quota means

It's not a sales quota for a bonus. Its an arbitrary limit set on Asian because there are to many of them who have earned their way into programs. So their # has to be reduced to reflect the community. Because clearly Asians arent our community.

"...Instead, the continued use of the Specialized High School Admissions Test will produce the same unacceptable results over and over again, and it’s far past the time for our students to be fairly represented in these schools.”

https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/nyc-schoo ... hool-test/

[Kowani]

that's not what quota means

It's not a sales quota for a bonus. Its an arbitrary limit set on Asian because there are to many of them who have earned their way into programs. So their # has to be reduced to reflect the community. Because clearly Asians arent our community.

"...Instead, the continued use of the Specialized High School Admissions Test will produce the same unacceptable results over and over again, and it’s far past the time for our students to be fairly represented in these schools.”

https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/nyc-schoo ... hool-test/[/quote]
except, you know
it's not actually a limit on asians
that's what "quota" means
and it's the language you've been using, because it's emotionally inflammatory
but that's not what they're doing
there is no "we shall only accept 3% of the student body to be asian"

[Ethel mermania]

It's not a sales quota for a bonus. Its an arbitrary limit set on Asian because there are to many of them who have earned their way into programs. So their # has to be reduced to reflect the community. Because clearly Asians arent our community.

"...Instead, the continued use of the Specialized High School Admissions Test will produce the same unacceptable results over and over again, and it’s far past the time for our students to be fairly represented in these schools.”

https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/nyc-schoo ... hool-test/

except, you know
it's not actually a limit on asians
that's what "quota" means
and it's the language you've been using, because it's emotionally inflammatory
but that's not what they're doing
there is no "we shall only accept 3% of the student body to be asian"[/quote]


They are saying there are to many Asians who earned their way into the school who do not represent the community, and we have to fix that.

The notion itself is inflammatory.

[Kowani]

They are saying there are to many Asians who earned their way into the school who do not represent the community, and we have to fix that.

The notion itself is inflammatory.

no...they're saying that black and latino students are unfairly underrepresented
this is not the same thing

[Ethel mermania]

They are saying there are to many Asians who earned their way into the school who do not represent the community, and we have to fix that.

The notion itself is inflammatory.

no...they're saying that black and latino students are unfairly underrepresented
this is not the same thing

When it penalizes the folks who earned it, and replaces then with those who didn't. It is the exact same thing

[Forsher]

That isn't the point I am trying to make, 30 of 205 is proportional. My claim is anti Asian hate crime is not a "white racism " issue.

Proving that blacks do it more often than whites, still wouldn't be an open and shut case. Both groups should be compared to the total.

What General needs is a stats person. Well, we have Forsher, but he tends to follow whims and we end up knowing much more than we wanted to about the different voices of the same breed of chicken in different countries. No disrespect, that was quite interesting, it's just not what we wanted to know.

Not me. I do stats when I HAVE to, but I'm too lazy to do other people's work.

As it happens, I don't know (remember?) how to approach this question with any kind of sophistication. But if we take the claim (My claim is anti Asian hate crime is not a "white racism " issue) as described above (I haven't read the quote chain) and the data at hand, then the question is something like "Given you're going to commit a racialised hate crime, how likely is it that you're going to offend against an Asian person?" After all, our subject of interest is the perpetrator, right? If you're a victim of a hate crime, you don't get to choose your perpetrator. And if we're trying to decide whether anti-Asian hate crimes are a white racism problem or not, we should be looking at the perpetrators.

From that point of view, that 30/205 is the wrong way around... it's "given you're an Asian person who's experienced a racialised hate crime, how likely is it that your perpetrator is black?" I mean, I think EM's comparing that to the proportion of black people in the US so it's not the stopping point but I'm just not convinced it's the right starting point, either. So, if we're looking at it like how I laid out, then the groups most likely to commit racialised hate crimes against Asian people in 2019 in the US are... Asians (17.95% of racialised hate crimes committed by Asians), groups of mixed ethnicity (10.65%), Pasifika (er, Native Hawaiian and Other PI Peoples... 6.67%) and then blacks, whites and unsubs (all about 4%, at 4.03, 4.09 and 4.12% respectively).

Of course this obscures that 48% of racial hate crimes were committed by "whites", which is, by EM's way of looking at it, way under the population percent. If you look at this there's a table on page 26 (table 26) that says the proportion of violent incidents committed by non-hispanic whites is 47.7% or about 0.8 times the population of non-hispanic whites older than 11. This is very, very important because that 48% is not calculated from non-hispanic whites older than 11 but, instead, all whites. So, if we go back to here, that suggests that the proportion of hispanics who are white is about 87% (# nh whites - # whites = # of white hispanics). If we assume the population aged 12 and up is similar (i.e. 0.75, 0.8, 0.85 and 0.9), then our ratio* goes from a similar 0.78 to a much more dissimilar 0.87-0.89.

(n.b. I have no idea what kinds of sampling distributions to use here so, therefore, no confidence, or credibile for that matter, intervals. p.s. credible intervals are better)

There's a more dramatic comparison, of course, that suggests that racial hate crime committing whites are massively over represented relative to violent criminals as a whole in that our black ratios are over 2 in Table 26 but the 2019 FBI hate crime data* gives us a ratio of 0.25! That's an eighth of what Table 26 has.

Also, I rather suspect at least 48% of those unknown subjects are white but I didn't do any sensitivity testing on that.

So... if we're looking at it from the point of view of racialised hate crime, racialised hate crime is a white problem. But if we're just thinking about people who commit racialised hate crimes, we've really got to think hard about whether the category Asian is fit for purpose. Unless, that is, this is one of those situations where doing something more sophisticated is going to give opposite conclusions.**

EDIT: there's also a whole mess about how bloody incoherent and stupid ethnicity data is in the US... this is important because I imagine a fair few Filipinos probably count as Hispanic or, at least, could theoretically end up being identified as Hispanic because of their names...

EDIT: A naive bootstrap analysis suggests that the anti-Asian crimes are, by chance alone, unlikely for Asians, groups and unknowns, with the last offending less than expected.

Frankly, I'm most intrigued by how you know I'm into statistics...

*As in the hate crime percentage calculated including groups and unsubs and unknown race divided by the population percentage given in table 27.

**Let's say that we take the hate crime data base and create a dataframe of two variables consisting of ethnicities of offender ("white", "black", "unsub", "unknown", "group" etc) and victim ("white", "black" etc), then we have 4784 observations for 2019. Now, we can further define a new binary variable "was the victim Asian?" which takes the value 1 if the victim was. From this we can do regressions but I always forget how to interpret glms so, um, these are just numbers. But if you take the asterisks you can see that blacks aren't statistically significant to the whites, but, honestly, this data is useless like this because it always predicts that the victim is non-Asian (the highest assigned probability is about 17%) since there's so little information. Of course, we don't have to use 50% as the decision rule...