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[SUBMITTED] An Animal Companion for @@LEADER@@?

Postby Comfed » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:11 pm

The Issue:
Noting your increasing workload and following recent studies showing the positive effects of pets on general health, your advisers have suggested that you get one to keep you company. The trouble is, they can't quite agree on which species.

The Debate:
Option one: "Get a cat, dude" advises your younger sibling @@RANDOMNAME@@ after riding into your office on a skateboard, "Cats represent the free, roaming spirit of @@NAME@@. They do whatever they want, and nobody tells them what to do!" @@HE@@ steals the sandwich on your desk you were going to eat for lunch, and somehow skateboards out the window while shouting "Cats are awesome, man," into the distance.
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ often say that @@LEADER@@ is the cat's meow

Option two: "Don't listen to that beatnik anarchist, @@LEADER@@! Get a dog!" barks your severe-looking uncle and decorated military general @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, who is notorious for never taking off his uniform, even in the bath. "Dogs represent the hard-working strength of @@NAME@@. They're fiercely loyal to you and will obey every command, just like the best @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ citizens!" He snatches a handful of caramels from the bowl on your desk and marches off
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ find that @@LEADER@@ treats them like dogs

Option three: (capitalist nations only) "All of those are nice, but only one represents the industrious spirit of @@NAME@@ - the hamster," says your immaculately dressed Finance Minister @@RANDOMNAME@@ as @@HE@@ munches on your doughnut. "The hamster is a true model of the capitalist @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ dream, as it runs on its little wheel for hours on end, all to get to... well never mind. The point is, hamsters are the icon of @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ capitalism and there would be nothing more supportive of that then getting a hamster!" @@HE@@ struts off, @@HIS@@ dress rendered somewhat less immaculate from the bagel crumbs.
Effect: @@NAME@@ has forsaken the rat race in favour of the hamster race

Option three: (socialist nations only) "Comrade @@LEADER@@, all of those other animals are mere trivialities when compared to the model of the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ worker - the hamster!" says your People's Commissar for Industry @@RANDOMNAME@@ says as @@HE@@ devours your doughnut in full worker's uniform. "The hamster is the socialist icon of @@NAME@@, as its continuous run on its wheel makes it the idea role model for @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ in the factories, and just like those workers, the hamster's run is all worth it when it... well, never mind, but you get the idea!"
Effect: @@NAME@@ is a firm believer in the principle of "from each according to their tiny legs, to each according to their little spinny wheel"

Option four: "All these proposed pets are nothing but heathen in the eyes of the almighty Violet!" cries the Grand Poobah of the Order of Violet @@RANDOMNAME@@ as @@HE@@ sucks on a peppermint from the bowl on your desk. "All of these furry animals soil the purity of a proper Violetist home with their loathsome shedding. By contrast, a parrot has nothing of the sort! Its majestic plumage will render your home, the great house of @@LEADER@@, a shine of almighty Violet!" @@HE@@ somehow manages to swoop out of the room, leaving you with one peppermint fewer.
Effect: birdwatchers are confused at @@LEADER@@'s call to "seek the violet parrot"

Option five: "BOO!" shouts your hooligan niece as she jumps out from behind you and sticks her wet finger in your ear. "Haha, I totally scared you. @@LEADER@@, you should get a tarantula. They're great scaring people! If the leader of Brancaville or Maxland or whatever was negotiating with you and you brought a giant spider, they’d be so freaked out, they’d do whatever you want! Anyone want to pet mine? I call it Boris." She holds out her tarantula to your personal staff, but finds they've all left, giving the spider ample opportunity to devour the breath mint you were intending to have with lunch.
Effect: @@NAME@@ is a pioneer in “arachnophobia diplomacy”

Option six: "@@LEADER@@, hear me out, okay, hear me out on this one," stammers local science fair winner @@RANDOMNAME@@, bearing a briefcase building with various blueprints for contraptions of dubious compliance with zoning codes. "I'm thinking, like, a dinosaur, okay, that we get by cloning DNA or something from a fossil, okay, and then it has like, fricking laser beams coming out of its eyes, and it has like, freaking steel wings, and like, you'd ride it on a giant saddle, and it would have, like, a freaking grenade launcher attached to the wings, and you'd ride it everywhere, and like, launch grenades our enemies, or something. And we'd get like, a crack team of top @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ scientists, like freaking geniuses, with me as the leader of course, and we'd build it for you." @@HE@@ steals your military aide-de-camp's sandwich and slowly walks away muttering and eating as @@HIS@@ white hair crackles with electricity.
Effect: top scientists in @@NAME@@ are picked at a young age based on the depth of vision of their drawings of Martians blowing up @@CAPITAL@@

Option seven: Suddenly, you hear a loud buzzing sound coming from your door. You and all your advisors look and see a large tortoise blocking the door, gazing deep into your eyes as if into your soul. You begin to feel sleepy, and your eyes feel droopy, but you can't stop yourself from staring into is eyes. You feel your mouth move and you utter words, although you don't know what they are. After however long, you don't know, you suddenly come to. You don't feel any different, but all the food your advisors took from you is gone, and so is the tortoise.
Effect: conspiracy theorists believing in a secret cabal of lizard-people controlling @@NAME@@ have been vindicated with @@LEADER@@'s new proclamation of "All glory to the hypno-tortoise"

Option eight: "@@LEADER@@, do you know how inefficient you'd become with a pet?" mutters your curmudgeonly Finance Minister @@RANDOMNAME@@. "I've run the numbers, and it doesn't look good. Pets create piles of waste that you have to clean up, require food and water, and are often very demanding for trivialities like love and affection, while contributing little to you in return. They are, in short, a useless waste of time and effort." @@HE@@ quickly downs your morning coffee, perking up his soulless eyes somewhat, and stomps away.
Effect: pet lovers across @@NAME@@ are outraged at @@LEADER@@ dismissal of their only friends as "useless"



The Issue:
Noting your increasing workload and following recent studies that pets relieve stress, your advisers have suggested that you get a pet to keep you company.

The Debate:
Option one: "You should get a cat!" exclaims your excitable young niece as she braids your hair, "Cats are the best pet anyone can ask for. They're soft, don't poop everywhere, do funny stuff, and they're sooooooo cute!" She ties a pink ribbon around your new braid and prances out of the room.
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ often say that @@LEADER@@ is the cat's meow

Option two: "Dogs are by fair the greatest pet there is," says your older brother @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, who has yet to change out of his sports clothes. "They're loyal, they love you, they come in so many different varieties, and you can use them to defend you!" He signs a baseball, presses it into your hands, and struts out.
Effect: @@LEADER@@'s new pet makes everyone's tail wag

Option three: "Goodness me, @@LEADER@@, you certainly don't a pet that takes up so much space" says your Secretary of State @@RANDOMNAME@@, while feeding @@HIS@@ hamster classified documents @@HE@@ found on your desk. "Clearly, a hamster is the best choice for you. They're cute, round, squeaky and they only take up as much space as their cage does." @@HE@@ picks @@HIS@@ hamster off of your now-ruined papers walks out.
Effect: @@LEADER@@'s hamster is famous for tricks like "eat the compromising evidence"

Option four: "And go to all that work?" says your personal secretary @@RANDOMNAME@@ while frantically scribbling on some lengthy form. "No, no no, that won't do. You need a much simpler pet, like a goldfish. They don't poo everywhere or demand food all the time or shriek just as you're trying so sleep. All they do is swim around and make cute little bubbles." @@HE@@ quickly stuffs the forms @@HE@@ was filling down the shredder and returns to work.
Effect: @@LEADER@@'s photo ops are increasingly popular with fishers

Option five: "BOO!" shouts your hooligan nephew @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@ as he jumps out from behind you and sticks his wet finger in your ear. "Haha, I totally scared you. Uncle @@LEADER@@, you should get a tarantula. They're great for... um... well, for something anyways! They're super cool. Anyone want to pet mine? I call it @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@." He holds out his tarantula to your personal staff, but finds they've all left.
Effect: @@LEADER@@'s new pet is ranked "creepiest in @@REGION@@"

Option six: "Bah! We don't need no pets around here," says office curmudgeon @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Pets, they're a nuisance, they create piles of waste, and you have to spend hours taking care of them! What a useless waste of time and effort!" He quickly downs your coffee and stomps away.
Effect: pet lovers across @@COMFED@@ outraged at @@LEADER@@ dismissing their only friends as "useless"

The Issue:
Noting your increasing workload and following recent studies that pets relieve stress, your advisers have suggested that you get a pet to keep you company.

The Debate:
Option one: "You should get a cat!" exclaims your excitable young niece as she braids your hair, "Cats are the best pet anyone can ask for. They're soft, don't poop everywhere, do funny stuff, and they're sooooooo cute!" She ties a pink ribbon around your new braid and prances out of the room.
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ often say that @@LEADER@@ is the cat's meow

Option two: "Dogs are by fair the greatest pet there is," says your older brother @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, who has yet to change out of his sports clothes. "They're loyal, they love you, they come in so many different varieties, and you can use them to defend you!" He signs a baseball, presses it into your hands, and struts out.
Effect: @@LEADER@@'s new pet makes everyone's tail wag

Option three: “Have you no sense of @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ loyalty?” cries patriot and decorated military general @@RANDOMNAME@@, causing her many ribbons to sway. “@@LEADER@@, as leader of the glorious nation of @@NAME@@, you must choose the noble @@ANIMAL@@ as your companion! @@SLOGAN@@!”
Effect: popular descriptions of @@ANIMAL@@ now include “jingoistic”

Option four: "BOO!" shouts your hooligan nephew @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@ as he jumps out from behind you and sticks his wet finger in your ear. "Haha, I totally scared you. Uncle @@LEADER@@, you should get a tarantula. They're great for... um... well, for something anyways! They're super cool. Anyone want to pet mine? I call it @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@." He holds out his tarantula to your personal staff, but finds they've all left.
Effect: @@LEADER@@'s new pet is ranked "creepiest in @@REGION@@"

Option five: "Bah! We don't need no pets around here," says office curmudgeon @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Pets, they're a nuisance, they create piles of waste, and you have to spend hours taking care of them! What a useless waste of time and effort!" He quickly downs your coffee and stomps away.
Effect: pet lovers across @@NAME@@ outraged at @@LEADER@@ dismissing their only friends as "useless"

The Issue:
Noting your increasing workload and following recent studies that pets relieve stress, your advisers have suggested that you get a pet to keep you company.

The Debate:
Option one: "You should get a cat!" exclaims your excitable young niece as she braids your hair, "Cats are the best pet anyone can ask for. They're soft, don't poop everywhere, do funny stuff, and they're sooooooo cute!" She ties a pink ribbon around your new braid and prances out of the room.
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ often say that @@LEADER@@ is the cat's meow

Option two: "Comrade, a dog is the pet for you!" shouts your notedly socialist older brother @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, wearing his favourite blue overalls. "They are the very embodiment of socialis-I mean @@DENOMYMADJECTIVE@@ virtues! They're fierce, loyal, and hard-working!"
Effect: @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ dogs have nothing to lose but their chains

Option three: "BOO!" shouts your hooligan nephew @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@ as he jumps out from behind you and sticks his wet finger in your ear. "Haha, I totally scared you. Uncle @@LEADER@@, you should get a tarantula. They're great for... um... well, for something anyways! They're super cool. Anyone want to pet mine? I call it @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@." He holds out his tarantula to your personal staff, but finds they've all left.
Effect: @@LEADER@@'s new pet is ranked "creepiest in @@REGION@@"

Option four: "Bah! We don't need no pets around here," says office curmudgeon @@RANDOMNAME@@. "Pets, they're a nuisance, they create piles of waste, and you have to spend hours taking care of them! What a useless waste of time and effort!" He quickly downs your coffee and stomps away.
Effect: pet lovers across @@NAME@@ outraged at @@LEADER@@ dismissing their only friends as "useless"

The Issue:
Noting your increasing workload and following recent studies showing the positive effects of pets on general health, your advisers have suggested that you get one to keep you company. The trouble is, they can't quite agree on which species.

The Debate:
Option one: "Get a cat, dude" advises your younger sibling @@RANDOMNAME@@ after riding into your office on a skateboard, "Cats represent the free, roaming spirit of @@NAME@@. They do whatever they want, and nobody tells them what to do!" @@HE@@ steals the sandwich on your desk you were going to eat for lunch, and somehow skateboards out the window while shouting "Cats are awesome, man," into the distance.
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ often say that @@LEADER@@ is the cat's meow

Option two: "Don't listen to that beatnik anarchist, @@LEADER@@! Get a dog!" barks your severe-looking uncle and decorated military general @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, who is notorious for never taking off his uniform, even in the bath. "Dogs represent the hard-working strength of @@NAME@@. They're fiercely loyal to you and will obey every command, just like the best @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ citizens!" He snatches a handful of caramels from the bowl on your desk and marches off
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ find that @@LEADER@@ treats them like dogs

Option three: "BOO!" shouts your hooligan niece @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@ as she jumps out from behind you and sticks her wet finger in your ear. "Haha, I totally scared you. @@LEADER@@, you should get a tarantula. They're great scaring people! If the leader of Brancaville or Maxland or whatever was negotiating with you and you brought a giant spider, they’d be so freaked out, they’d do whatever you want! Anyone want to pet mine? I call it @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@." She holds out his tarantula to your personal staff, but finds they've all left, giving the spider ample opportunity to devour the breath mint you were intending to have with lunch.
Effect: @@NAME@@ is a pioneer in “arachnophobia diplomacy”

Option four: "@@LEADER@@, do you know how inefficient you'd become with a pet?" mutters your curmudgeonly Finance Minister @@RANDOMNAME@@. "I've run the numbers, and it doesn't look good. Pets create piles of waste that you have to clean up, require food and water, and are often very demanding for trivialities like love and affection, while contributing little to you in return. They are, in short, a useless waste of time and effort." @@HE@@ quickly downs your morning coffee, perking up his soulless eyes somewhat, and stomps away.
Effect: pet lovers across @@NAME@@ are outraged at @@LEADER@@ dismissal of their only friends as "useless"

The Issue:
Noting your increasing workload and following recent studies showing the positive effects of pets on general health, your advisers have suggested that you get one to keep you company. The trouble is, they can't quite agree on which species.

The Debate:
Option one: "Get a cat, dude" advises your younger sibling @@RANDOMNAME@@ after riding into your office on a skateboard, "Cats represent the free, roaming spirit of @@NAME@@. They do whatever they want, and nobody tells them what to do!" @@HE@@ steals the sandwich on your desk you were going to eat for lunch, and somehow skateboards out the window while shouting "Cats are awesome, man," into the distance.
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ often say that @@LEADER@@ is the cat's meow

Option two: "Don't listen to that beatnik anarchist, @@LEADER@@! Get a dog!" barks your severe-looking uncle and decorated military general @@RANDOMNAMEMALE@@, who is notorious for never taking off his uniform, even in the bath. "Dogs represent the hard-working strength of @@NAME@@. They're fiercely loyal to you and will obey every command, just like the best @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ citizens!" He snatches a handful of caramels from the bowl on your desk and marches off
Effect: @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ find that @@LEADER@@ treats them like dogs

Option three: (capitalist nations only) "All of those are nice, but only one represents the industrious spirit of @@NAME@@ - the hamster," says your immaculately dressed Finance Minister @@RANDOMNAME@@ as @@HE@@ munches on your doughnut. "The hamster is a true model of the capitalist @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ dream, as it runs on its little wheel for hours on end, all to get to... well never mind. The point is, hamsters are the icon of @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ capitalism and there would be nothing more supportive of that then getting a hamster!" @@HE@@ struts off, @@HIS@@ dress rendered somewhat less immaculate from the bagel crumbs.
Effect: @@NAME@@ has forsaken the rat race in favour of the hamster race

Option three: (socialist nations only) "Comrade @@LEADER@@, all of those other animals are mere trivialities when compared to the model of the @@DENONYMADJECTIVE@@ worker - the hamster!" says your People's Commissar for Industry @@RANDOMNAME@@ says as @@HE@@ devours your doughnut in full worker's uniform. "The hamster is the socialist icon of @@NAME@@, as its continuous run on its wheel makes it the idea role model for @@DENONYMPLURAL@@ in the factories, and just like those workers, the hamster's run is all worth it when it... well, never mind, but you get the idea!"
Effect: @@NAME@@ is a firm believer in the principle of "from each according to their tiny legs, to each according to their little wheel"

Option four: "All these proposed pets are nothing but heathen in the eyes of the almighty Violet!" cries the Grand Poobah of the Order of Violet @@RANDOMNAME@@ as @@HE@@ sucks on a peppermint from the bowl on your desk. "All of these furry animals soil the purity of a proper Violetist home with their loathsome shedding. By contrast, a parrot has nothing of the sort! Its majestic plumage will render your home, the great house of @@LEADER@@, a shine of almighty Violet!" @@HE@@ somehow manages to swoop out of the room, leaving you with one peppermint fewer.
Effect: birdwatchers are confused at @@LEADER@@'s call to "seek the violet parrot"

Option five: "BOO!" shouts your hooligan niece as she jumps out from behind you and sticks her wet finger in your ear. "Haha, I totally scared you. @@LEADER@@, you should get a tarantula. They're great scaring people! If the leader of Brancaville or Maxland or whatever was negotiating with you and you brought a giant spider, they’d be so freaked out, they’d do whatever you want! Anyone want to pet mine? I call it Boris." She holds out her tarantula to your personal staff, but finds they've all left, giving the spider ample opportunity to devour the breath mint you were intending to have with lunch.
Effect: @@NAME@@ is a pioneer in “arachnophobia diplomacy”

Option six: "@@LEADER@@, do you know how inefficient you'd become with a pet?" mutters your curmudgeonly Finance Minister @@RANDOMNAME@@. "I've run the numbers, and it doesn't look good. Pets create piles of waste that you have to clean up, require food and water, and are often very demanding for trivialities like love and affection, while contributing little to you in return. They are, in short, a useless waste of time and effort." @@HE@@ quickly downs your morning coffee, perking up his soulless eyes somewhat, and stomps away.
Effect: pet lovers across @@NAME@@ are outraged at @@LEADER@@ dismissal of their only friends as "useless"
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Postby Silvedania » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:03 am

This would work well as an easter egg issue.
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Postby Comfed » Wed May 05, 2021 6:34 am

I’m not getting much feedback - is that good or bad?

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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu May 06, 2021 1:17 am

I really like the premise for this issue. I don't think we have something yet about @@LEADER@@ getting a pet, and I don't think it necessarily needs to be an Easter egg (which is something that the team decides upon internally anyway).

As there are 6 options however, I would urge you to try and see whether you can still cut a little text from the issue options where possible. Really try to keep the option texts short if there are to be this many.

Also, remember that the appropriate code for your nation name to appear in the issue is @@NAME@@, instead of @@COMFED@@.

The issue premise and idea are both things I really like, and I think you have the general concept hammered out nicely. Now this issue draft would benefit from some polishing :)

EDIT: Oh, and an @@ANIMAL@@ should be among the options, I think! Although I would advise against the inclusion of a seventh option. Perhaps it could replace the hamster one? Not sure.
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Postby Comfed » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:12 am

I’ve removed the goldfish option and added an option for @@ANIMAL@@.

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Postby Molotovsk » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:45 am

Comfed wrote:I’ve removed the goldfish option and added an option for @@ANIMAL@@.


What if the animal was @@LEADER@@?

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Postby Esthe » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:47 am

Technically the nation’s national animal could be considered as the leader’s companion, so this likely wouldn’t work.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:38 am

Daarwyrth wrote:EDIT: Oh, and an @@ANIMAL@@ should be among the options, I think! Although I would advise against the inclusion of a seventh option. Perhaps it could replace the hamster one? Not sure.

Potential problem: What if @@ANIMAL@@ for a nation is one of the types of animal already given options?
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Postby Sacara » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:02 pm

Bears Armed wrote:Potential problem: What if @@ANIMAL@@ for a nation is one of the types of animal already given options?
Yup, I was thinking of the same thing.

Let's say this draft gets added -- what would each of the options do in terms of stats? If I selected dogs as my pet, how would that affect my nation? I just don't know how this could be coded.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:04 pm

Sacara wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Potential problem: What if @@ANIMAL@@ for a nation is one of the types of animal already given options?
Yup, I was thinking of the same thing.

Let's say this draft gets added -- what would each of the options do in terms of stats? If I selected dogs as my pet, how would that affect my nation? I just don't know how this could be coded.

I think each of the animals could represent a symbol which therefore could translate into a stat change. Not sure how dogs or cats would translate into stat changes (compassion, niceness, etc.) but I'm sure if could be coded somehow.
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:37 am

I'm inclined to associate dogs with authoritarianism and cats with libertarianism, due to the stereotypes about dogs being loyal and obedient while cats do whatever they feel like.

(Keep in mind that "authoritarianism" can mean "tyranny" or "law and order", and "libertarianism" can mean "healthy freedom" or "rampant crime".)

That's about it, and I'd be hard-pressed to come up with political connotations for most other animals. It's probably possible if you try hard enough, though. Cute herbivores are (to varying degrees of accuracy depending on the species) popularly associated with compassion and pacifism. Hedgehogs are reminiscent of Switzerland-style "armed neutrality". Spiders... okay, no idea, unless you want to make a pun on the "World Wide Web" (and I don't think tarantulas make those anyway?).

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Postby Electrum » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:35 pm

I would not suggest going for @@ANIMAL@@ as an option because, well, what if the national @@ANIMAL@@ is a cat, or a dog? I agree with Outer Sparta, you need to give some kind of indication as to what direction the nation will head if you pick a given pet. Like in the "What's Your Favourite Colour" issue, each option is explicitly linked to an idea or a concept, like yellow = happy, red = socialism, etc.
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Postby Czechostan » Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:27 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Sacara wrote:Yup, I was thinking of the same thing.

Let's say this draft gets added -- what would each of the options do in terms of stats? If I selected dogs as my pet, how would that affect my nation? I just don't know how this could be coded.

I think each of the animals could represent a symbol which therefore could translate into a stat change. Not sure how dogs or cats would translate into stat changes (compassion, niceness, etc.) but I'm sure if could be coded somehow.

I think the translation could work if the issue options are worded properly. For instance, if the niece says "cats are fluffy and cute, and you feel so good when you pet them," we would expect compassion and niceness to go up. If the niece says "cats do whatever they please and know they're the true owners of the house," then we'd expect rudeness to go up.

As Electrum said, we can do without @@ANIMAL@@ for an option for the simple reason that it could be anything.

I think option 5 needs something else to it, otherwise it's equivalent to the dismiss option.

Also, for once, I think this is a draft that needs more options. Just keep them short and sweet.

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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:48 am

Czechostan wrote:For instance, if the niece says "cats are fluffy and cute, and you feel so good when you pet them," we would expect compassion and niceness to go up.
Problem is you'd expect this to apply to pretty much any pet.

Maybe not fish, since their need to live in tanks keeps them isolated and limits emotional attachment.

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Postby Czechostan » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:39 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Czechostan wrote:For instance, if the niece says "cats are fluffy and cute, and you feel so good when you pet them," we would expect compassion and niceness to go up.
Problem is you'd expect this to apply to pretty much any pet.

Maybe not fish, since their need to live in tanks keeps them isolated and limits emotional attachment.

That was just an example; I'm keeping it more general than specific, since it's not my issue to write.

Either way, there are plenty of other pets I wouldn't describe as fluffy like snakes and iguanas and hedgehogs. It's just about finding something that's idiosyncratic enough about a pet.

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Postby Trotterdam » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:09 pm

Czechostan wrote:Either way, there are plenty of other pets I wouldn't describe as fluffy like snakes and iguanas and hedgehogs.
Yeah, but people who actually have those pets generally love petting them. Yes, you can pet hedgehogs. There's a trick to it. (Their spines have a limited range of motion, between being fully erect when in defensive posture and reclining backwards the rest of the time, so if you make sure to pet the hedgehog from head to tail, you'll push the spines in such a direction that you're unlikely to get impaled on them.) Meanwhile, reptiles like snakes love human body contact, simply because we're warm.

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Postby Comfed » Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:17 pm

I have rewritten much of the draft, and hopefully the effects on the nation answering the issue will be a bit more clear now.

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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:23 pm

Comfed wrote:I have rewritten much of the draft, and hopefully the effects on the nation answering the issue will be a bit more clear now.
Much better when it comes to cats and dogs (and no pet), but the spider still needs work.

Okay, so spiders are good at scaring people, but who are you trying to scare? Are you trying to scare your citizens into compliance? Are you trying to scare your country's enemies? Are you trying to teach people to be less easily scared by normalizing scary stuff? Are you trying to teach tolerance and acceptance by showing that even spiders can be loved? Are you using the fact that female spiders are larger and deadlier than the males to make a feminist statement? Or maybe you just appreciate spiders' value for pest control, eating all those pesky insects you don't want in the house?

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Postby Comfed » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:46 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Comfed wrote:I have rewritten much of the draft, and hopefully the effects on the nation answering the issue will be a bit more clear now.
Much better when it comes to cats and dogs (and no pet), but the spider still needs work.

Okay, so spiders are good at scaring people, but who are you trying to scare? Are you trying to scare your citizens into compliance? Are you trying to scare your country's enemies? Are you trying to teach people to be less easily scared by normalizing scary stuff? Are you trying to teach tolerance and acceptance by showing that even spiders can be loved? Are you using the fact that female spiders are larger and deadlier than the males to make a feminist statement? Or maybe you just appreciate spiders' value for pest control, eating all those pesky insects you don't want in the house?

I have also changed the spider option to make it about scaring foreign leaders.

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Postby Comfed » Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:10 am

As this draft is nearly a year old and I want to submit eventually, bump.

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Postby Candensia » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:23 pm

I feel as if there isn't enough variety in the choices. You've got a cat, dog, spider, and that's it.

Take a look at option four. Does it advocate for anything?

If it were me, I'd turn option four into another pet choice. I think the dismiss button works well as a stand-in for deciding not to get a pet.
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Postby Comfed » Tue May 24, 2022 7:39 pm

Two more choices - the hamster and the parrot - have been added.

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Postby Incelistania » Thu May 26, 2022 7:19 pm

Candensia wrote:I feel as if there isn't enough variety in the choices. You've got a cat, dog, spider, and that's it.

Take a look at option four. Does it advocate for anything?

If it were me, I'd turn option four into another pet choice. I think the dismiss button works well as a stand-in for deciding not to get a pet.


I feel like having the leader’s pet the same as the National Animal could be another option. Just a suggestion tho

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Postby Comfed » Thu May 26, 2022 7:36 pm

Incelistania wrote:
Candensia wrote:I feel as if there isn't enough variety in the choices. You've got a cat, dog, spider, and that's it.

Take a look at option four. Does it advocate for anything?

If it were me, I'd turn option four into another pet choice. I think the dismiss button works well as a stand-in for deciding not to get a pet.


I feel like having the leader’s pet the same as the National Animal could be another option. Just a suggestion tho

That was an option I had until it was pointed out in this thread that the national animal could be the same as one of the options :P

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Postby Baggieland » Thu May 26, 2022 7:52 pm

Comfed wrote: I call it @@RANDOMFIRSTNAME@@." She holds out his tarantula to your personal staff


I don't know why, but most owners seem to name their giant spiders 'Boris'.

She holds out her (not his).

LEADER's niece has featured in many previous issues, but I'm pretty sure she has never been named before.

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