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[SUBMITTED 19.6.21] Stunted Diversity

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:29 am

DRAFT 3:
TITLE:
Stunted Diversity

VALIDITY:
Reasonably good diversity, some immigration

DESCRIPTION:
Controversy has risen after it has emerged that the latest hit movie about a female immigrant cop had a male native-born stuntman doing action scenes for the lead.

OPTION 1
"In this day and age, in this century, are we really happy with this man stealing a job that could and should have gone to a woman of the correct ethnicity?" asks Libby Rawl-Byass, the social media doyenne at the lead of the protest campaign. "Lack of diversity in the movie industry is a global concern, with a small number of racially homogeneous men providing media content for a racially diverse world audience. Things aren't going to fix themselves -- we need positive action in the form of industry grants, education subsidies and diversity quotas. This will make sure everyone gets fairly represented across every sector of the industry that is currently under-represented, whether that's female stuntpersons, directors from minorities, ginger leading men or straight cisgender male make-up artists. We can make a difference!"

OUTCOME:
mixed-race paraplegic blind transgender lesbians are everyman heroes

OPTION 2
"Look, we'd love it if the international stunt community wasn't made up almost entirely of guys like us," says a stunt double, who is here in lieu of the stuntman who drew the criticisms. "Last year at Stuntcon it was ninety percent just guys like me, and a handful of wirework guys from Daguo, which made the end-of-night slow dance a little awkward. But till then, if you stop us taking those jobs you'll be missing out on decades of industry expertise and end up with worse movies for it. And besides, we're acting professionals, you know. I'm not an alien or cyborg either, but no-one complains when I depict one of those. Government has no role interfering with or censoring the moviemaking -- art is important, holding a mirror up to life, and enriching the world through the complex meta-narratives of our shared cultural storytelling. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to set. EMOJIS VS ZOMBIE CHEERLEADERS isn't going to film itself, you know." He grabs his pom-poms and storms out.

OUTCOME:
blackface is considered okay if the actor isn't listed in the cast credits

OPTION 3
"If someone cannot do their own stunts, then they are not really an action star," muses operatic dancer and patriotic comic actor Jacqueline Chang, who is in a plaster leg cast from her latest movie. "Every actor should do their own stunts. For sure, it takes practice, and dedication, and a few hundred takes, and a dozen or so bones broken, but you can see the benefits of it on camera. Especially when repeated three times from different angles!"

OUTCOME:
the only safe bet in acting is that you won't be able to get insurance



DRAFT 2:
TITLE:
Stunted Diversity

VALIDITY:
Reasonably good diversity, some immigration

DESCRIPTION:
Controversy has risen after it has emerged that the latest hit movie about a female immigrant cop had a male native-born stuntman doing action scenes for the lead.

OPTION 1
"In this day and age, in this century, are we really happy with this man stealing a job that could and should have gone to a woman of the correct ethnicity?" asks Libby Rawl-Byass, the social media doyenne at the lead of the protest campaign. "Lack of diversity in the movie industry is a global concern, with a small number of racially homogeneous men providing media content for a racially diverse world audience. Things aren't going to fix themselves -- we need positive action in the form of industry grants, education subsidies and diversity quotas. This will make sure everyone gets fairly represented across every sector of the industry that is currently under-represented, whether that's female stuntpersons, directors from minorities, ginger leading men or straight cisgender male make-up artists. We can make a difference!"

OUTCOME:
mixed-race paraplegic blind transgender lesbians are everyman heroes

OPTION 2
"Look, we'd love it if the international stunt community wasn't made up almost entirely of guys like us," says a stunt double, who is here in lieu of the stuntman who drew the criticisms. "Last year at Stuntcon it was ninety percent just guys like me, and a handful of wirework guys from Daguo, which made the end-of-night slow dance a little awkward. But till then, if you stop us taking those jobs you'll be missing out on decades of industry expertise and end up with worse movies for it. And besides, we're acting professionals, you know. I'm not an alien or cyborg either, but no-one complains when I depict one of those. Government has no role interfering with or censoring the moviemaking -- art is important, holding a mirror up to life, and enriching the world through the complex meta-narratives of our shared cultural storytelling. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to set. EMOJIS VS ZOMBIE CHEERLEADERS isn't going to film itself, you know." He grabs his pom-poms and storms out.

OUTCOME:
blackface is considered okay if the actor isn't listed in the cast credits

DRAFT 1:
TITLE:
Stunted Diversity

VALIDITY:
Reasonably good diversity

DESCRIPTION:
Controversy has risen after it has emerged that the latest hit movie about a female action cop had a male stuntman doing action scenes for the lead.

OPTION 1
"In this day and age, in this century, are we really happy with a man stealing a job that could and should have gone to a woman?" asks Libby Rawl-Byass, the social media doyenne at the lead of the protest campaign. "Lack of diversity in the movie industry is a global concern, with a small number of old, white men providing media content for a racially diverse world audience. Things aren't going to fix themselves -- we need positive action in the form of industry grants, education subsidies and diversity quotas. This will make sure everyone gets fairly represented across every sector of the industry that is currently under-represented, whether that's female stuntpersons, black directors, oriental leading men or straight cisgender male make-up artists. We can make a difference!"

OUTCOME:
mixed-race paraplegic blind transgender lesbians are everyman heroes

OPTION 2
"Look, we'd love it if the international stunt community wasn't made up almost entirely of guys like us," says Kurt Whiteman, the stuntman who drew the criticisms. "Last year at Stuntcon it was ninety percent just white guys like me, and a handful of wirework guys from Daguo, which made the end-of-night slow dance a little awkward. But till then, if you stop us taking those roles, you'll just end up with less representation in action movies as a whole. That goes for the whole industry -- if you don't have old white guys making Academy-standard movies, then you don't get Academy-standard movies. And besides, we're acting professionals, you know. I'm not an alien or cyborg either, but no-one complains when I depict one of those. Government has no role interfering with or censoring the art of moviemaking, that should be written down somewhere, in legal language. Art is important, it enriches the world through the complex meta-narratives of our shared cultural storytelling. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to set. EMOJIS VS ZOMBIE CHEERLEADERS isn't going to film itself, you know." He grabs his pom-poms and storms out.

OUTCOME:
blackface is considered okay if the actor isn't listed in the cast credits
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Postby Baggieland » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:47 am

So many references to 'old white men'. What if the player views their nation as African or Asian? Also, is this a matter for government? Seems like it's something for the film industry to sort out.

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Postby Daarwyrth » Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:02 am

A nation that would consist of blue-skinned aliens would indeed consider "old white men" quite odd. I understand the drive to promote greater diversity, so I don't see too much problems with a national approach to it.

But I have to admit it does remind me quite a bit of #29: Minorities Demand Representation In TV Soaps. There is a different angle to it with the stuntmen, yes, but it comes down to more diversity at the heart of the issue. Albeit I admit the overlap isn't problematic, at least to me personally.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:48 am

Baggieland wrote:So many references to 'old white men'. What if the player views their nation as African or Asian? Also, is this a matter for government? Seems like it's something for the film industry to sort out.


Thought about that, but in the real world the movie industry is international, and white-dominated, and stunt work doubly so. Phrasing this in terms of "ethnic majorities" is kind of like a gender issue saying "socially dominant gender" rather than "men", you know?

Open to thoughts on this though.
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Postby Sunhizria » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:48 pm

I am unsure how to react to this

is this an issue centred around political correctness, like how the roles of ethnic minority characters should only be played by ethnic minority actors, and never by white. In NationStates, it would be that roles of bigtopians cannot be played by @@DEMONYMNOUN@@

For the same reason, the role of female characters can never be played by males.



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Postby Baggieland » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:47 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Thought about that, but in the real world the movie industry is international, and white-dominated, and stunt work doubly so


You're looking at this purely from the western, Hollywood perspective. Not many white stunt people in Bollywood (India) nor in Nollywood (Nigeria), two huge film producing nations.

Also "old white men", aren't most stunt people young?

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:41 pm

You make good points!

I'll think on it and make some revisions.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sat May 15, 2021 9:29 am

Okay, draft 2 no longer "sees colour". :lol:
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Postby Baggieland » Mon May 17, 2021 3:23 am

Much better. Just needs a pair of scissors to trim it down a bit.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun May 23, 2021 3:09 pm

Hmm, maybe.

As a two option issue, I think it can be allowed slightly longer options, so the absolute volume of words is in itself not excessive. However, there may be words there that aren't needed, perhaps.
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Postby Baggieland » Tue May 25, 2021 9:52 pm

Why not a 3 option issue?

Possible 3rd option:
Make all actors do their own stunts.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat May 29, 2021 4:13 am

I'm still impressed about how a studio made a "white" man look like a woman "of colour". I mean, didn't anyone notice the different actor performing stunts?
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat May 29, 2021 6:35 am

Well, maybe if the character were wearing stormtrooper armor...

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun May 30, 2021 4:15 am

Australian rePublic wrote:I'm still impressed about how a studio made a "white" man look like a woman "of colour". I mean, didn't anyone notice the different actor performing stunts?


It's not uncommon practice.

https://scoop.upworthy.com/stargirl-act ... to-be-here
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... rom-within

If you've never noticed it, that suggests they're pretty convincing.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun May 30, 2021 4:15 am

Baggieland wrote:Why not a 3 option issue?

Possible 3rd option:
Make all actors do their own stunts.


I like it! Will work that in.
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Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I'm still impressed about how a studio made a "white" man look like a woman "of colour". I mean, didn't anyone notice the different actor performing stunts?


It's not uncommon practice.

https://scoop.upworthy.com/stargirl-act ... to-be-here
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... rom-within

If you've never noticed it, that suggests they're pretty convincing.

Interesting. Carry on...
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 30, 2021 4:27 am

Effect for option 2- if a Nigerian stunt double dresses up as a Caucasian, wouldn't that technically be white face?
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Postby Baggieland » Sun May 30, 2021 5:05 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Every actor should do their on stunts.


Own.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun May 30, 2021 2:22 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Effect for option 2- if a Nigerian stunt double dresses up as a Caucasian, wouldn't that technically be white face?


Sure, but whiteface doesn't have the same historical associations. Complaining about whiteface is a bit like saying "what, don't White Lives Matter?"

That sort of ridiculous whataboutism is pretty awful.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun May 30, 2021 2:27 pm

Baggieland wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Every actor should do their on stunts.


Own.


Oops.

Can I claim a "Persian rug deliberate mistake" defence? :)

Fixed.
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Sun May 30, 2021 2:31 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Effect for option 2- if a Nigerian stunt double dresses up as a Caucasian, wouldn't that technically be white face?


Sure, but whiteface doesn't have the same historical associations. Complaining about whiteface is a bit like saying "what, don't White Lives Matter?"

That sort of ridiculous whataboutism is pretty awful.

Because I'm tired of explaining this myself:
https://www.bustle.com/politics/how-to- ... ot-to-stop


If you don't think it's applicable in both directions then this isn't about equality or diversity.

You just want NationStates to implement your anti-white hate.

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