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Ko-oren
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[DRAFT] Test Environment

Postby Ko-oren » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:11 am

Title: Test Environment

The Issue: The efforts to join the technological elite of @@REGION@@ are starting to pay dividends. The information age truly has dawned on @@NAME@@, not in the least because of you and your government's policies and decisions. Though, on your way to the grand opening of a new datacenter located on the outskirts of @@CAPITAL, it strikes you how small @@ANIMAL@@ Lake has become over the years, and how dusty the soil around it is. Reports had already warned you about how much water is needed for cooling these facilities, but this is the first time you've seen its ravaging effects on the landscape.
Validity: large IT sector OR high scientific advancement & non-zero IT sector

Option 1: As you arrive, an angry local farmer by the name of @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, pitchfork in hand. "These here fancy computers sure are handy! But they also need a lot of water for cooling, and it's killing my crops. Take down these eyesores, so water can run its natural course again and we can all go back to living our lives like we need to. After all, we gotta eat."
Effect: @@NAME@@ makes the transition back from trojan horses to regular old horses

Option 2: Jessica Primrose Bézeaux, the enthusiastic, energetic tech mogul and owner of the facility, hands you giant scissors to cut the ceremonial ribbon to officially open the building. "Don't listen to this bumpkin! We can solve this with more science! We might come up with a new cooling option, maybe? No matter what, in the meantime, don't stand in the way of progress, and just open my shiny new datacenter, eh? Oh, and if you could approve my plans for my next internet exchange point while you're here..."
[validity: capitalist]
Effect: 'firewall' is the nickname given to the annual forest fires bearing down on @@CAPITAL@@ each year

Option 3: Jessica Primrose Bézeaux, the youthful minister of Internet and Technology, hands you giant scissors to cut the ceremonial ribbon to officially open the building. "Don't listen to this bumpkin! We can solve this with more science! We might come up with a new cooling option, maybe? No matter what, in the meantime, don't stand in the way of progress, and just open OUR shiny new datacenter, eh? Oh, and if you could approve the plans for the next internet exchange point while you're here..."
[validity: socialist]
Effect: 'firewall' is the nickname given to the annual forest fires bearing down on @@CAPITAL@@ each year

Option 4: "I'm afraid the problem is even more dire than my agricultural friend here says," the mayor of @@CAPITAL@@ reluctantly chimes in the very second Bézeaux was out of earshot. "While the datacenters are great for employment, they are taking all of the water my city needs for drinking and for growing food. And we're increasingly at risk of blackouts, given the enormous electricity needs. I'm all for progress, but this is bleeding this city dry - literally! Could you move all of these buildings to very remote areas, please?" he begs, giving thumbs up to the farmer while nervously looking around to see if any of Bézeaux' personnel heard him.
Effect: gamers across @@NAME@@ complain about having the highest ping in the lobby

Title: Test Environment

The Issue: The efforts to join the technological elite of @@REGION@@ are starting to pay dividends. The information age truly has dawned on @@NAME@@, not in the least because of you and your government's policies and decisions. Though, on your way to the grand opening of a new datacenter located on the outskirts of @@CAPITAL, it strikes you how small @@ANIMAL@@ Lake has become over the years, and how dusty the soil is.
Validity: large IT sector

Option 1: As you arrive, an angry local farmer by the name of @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, pitchfork in hand. "These here fancy computers sure are handy! But they also need a lot of water for cooling, and it's killing my crops. Take down these eyesores, so water can run its natural course again and we can all go back to living our lives like we need to."
Effect: @@NAME@@ makes the transition back from trojan horses to regular old horses

Option 2: "I'm afraid the problem is even more dire than my agricultural friend here says," the mayor of @@CAPITAL@@ reluctantly chimes in. "While the datacenters are great for employment, they are taking all of the water my city needs for drinking and for growing food. And we're increasingly at risk of blackouts, given the enormous electricity needs. I'm all for progress, but this is bleeding this city dry - literally! Could you move all of these buildings to very remote areas, please?" he begs, as he forces a meager smile to the engineers while giving the thumbs up to the farmer.
Effect: gamers across @@NAME@@ complain about having the highest ping in their lobby

Option 3: Jessica Primrose Bézeaux, the enthusiastic, energetic tech mogul and owner of the facility, hands you giant scissors to cut the ceremonial ribbon to officially open the building. "Don't listen to them! We can solve this with more science! We might come up with a new cooling option, maybe? No matter what, in the meantime, don't stand in the way of progress, and just open my shiny new datacenter, eh? Oh, and if you could approve my plans for my next internet exchange point while you're here..."
[validity: capitalist]
Effect: 'firewall' is the nickname given to the annual forest fires bearing down on @@CAPITAL@@ each year

Option 4: Jessica Primrose Bézeaux, the youthful minister of Internet and Technology, hands you giant scissors to cut the ceremonial ribbon to officially open the building. "Don't listen to them! We can solve this with more science! We might come up with a new cooling option, maybe? No matter what, in the meantime, don't stand in the way of progress, and just open OUR shiny new datacenter, eh? Oh, and if you could approve the plans for the next internet exchange point while you're here..."
[validity: socialist]
Effect: 'firewall' is the nickname given to the annual forest fires bearing down on @@CAPITAL@@ each year


- Inspiration: Source in Dutch ('Datacenters in North-Holland may lead to water shortages')
Last edited by Ko-oren on Tue May 04, 2021 6:10 am, edited 4 times in total.
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Postby Electrum » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:32 am

I think the issue premise doesn't make it clear exactly why technological improvement = small lake. It's only established in option 1, which is too late. This also seems to be a very specific issue to the Netherlands? Does this occur in other countries too?
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Postby Trotterdam » Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:42 am

Electrum wrote:This also seems to be a very specific issue to the Netherlands?
It's highly unlikely that any water shortage issues are specific to the Netherlands. Since our inception, our history has been defined by having way too much of the stuff.

Of course, just that you have a lot of water doesn't mean the plumbing to get it to where it's needed isn't going to be a problem.

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Postby Ko-oren » Sat May 01, 2021 1:41 pm

Draft 0.2 is up. Could a native speaker look at the phrases I've used here and there? I'm especially concerned about "forcing a meager smile to the engineers while giving thumbs up to the farmer." - does this feel natural at all?

Electrum wrote:I think the issue premise doesn't make it clear exactly why technological improvement = small lake. It's only established in option 1, which is too late. This also seems to be a very specific issue to the Netherlands? Does this occur in other countries too?


1) Fair, that's taken care of now.
2) There are quite a few reports out there on the effects of datacentres in locations with water scarcity (in the USA, for instance), so I imagine it translates to the NS multiverse very easily. Given that the Netherlands have a reputation of having too much water and that datacentres can still cause water shortages over here is telling as well.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat May 01, 2021 4:52 pm

Ko-oren wrote:Draft 0.2 is up. Could a native speaker look at the phrases I've used here and there? I'm especially concerned about "forcing a meager smile to the engineers while giving thumbs up to the farmer." - does this feel natural at all?


That line is the first time you mentioned engineers, but it's written as if we already knew they were there.

2) There are quite a few reports out there on the effects of datacentres in locations with water scarcity (in the USA, for instance), so I imagine it translates to the NS multiverse very easily. Given that the Netherlands have a reputation of having too much water and that datacentres can still cause water shortages over here is telling as well.


I think the premise is plausible enough to use.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue May 04, 2021 5:34 am

Many water poor countries in real life have huge tech sectors. What do they do?
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Postby Ko-oren » Tue May 04, 2021 6:18 am

Thanks for the help, all! There's still a few things that I feel aren't phrased naturally:
- Option 4: "he begs, giving thumbs up to the farmer while nervously looking around to see if any of Bézeaux' personnel heard him." I just can't tell what you'd normally say in English to convey this
- Option 2/3: "hands you giant scissors to cut the ceremonial ribbon to officially open the building" feel like this could be shorter. And is there a way to phrase 'hands you' a little more aggressively?

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Ko-oren wrote:Draft 0.2 is up. Could a native speaker look at the phrases I've used here and there? I'm especially concerned about "forcing a meager smile to the engineers while giving thumbs up to the farmer." - does this feel natural at all?


That line is the first time you mentioned engineers, but it's written as if we already knew they were there.

2) There are quite a few reports out there on the effects of datacentres in locations with water scarcity (in the USA, for instance), so I imagine it translates to the NS multiverse very easily. Given that the Netherlands have a reputation of having too much water and that datacentres can still cause water shortages over here is telling as well.


I think the premise is plausible enough to use.


Thanks! I switched the order of the options to make it work.

Australian rePublic wrote:Many water poor countries in real life have huge tech sectors. What do they do?


Water poor regions with large datacentres (not necessarily all tech sectors) pretty much all address the water situation in some way or another. The reason datacentres are built in these areas are often economical (low electricity prices, tax breaks for certain sectors, etc). Some facilities use other cooling methods (for example, air) but those are, from what I understand, not as effective.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri May 07, 2021 5:00 pm

I think this issue has promise, but needs more technical and environmental literacy, as well as a more direct opening.

On the opening, I suggest losing the framing, and just going straight to the crux of it. Something like:

The issue:
Large scale datacenter servers are critical to the growth of the IT industry, but require significant cooling, with each center using daily quantities of water equal to a small town, which is creating water shortages for local farms and forests.

That frames the dilemma directly, explaining the situation and establishing the conflict. Any words you add to that should be for the purpose of humour, and you should definitely think of ways to do that, to make the dilemma less dry. Think over who might be complaining, paint a mind's eye picture with an eye to farce and slapstick.

Angry farmer is good, but the pro-farming and environmental argument needs more fleshing out, perhaps talking as well about power consumption, and livelihoods, and so on. Make it luddite, but charmingly so.

The remaining options fail to capture the nuance needed and don't demonstrate the depth of research you need to make this issue work. I would suggest instead:

Option 2 -- An industry type who is acknowledging the problem, but who suggests that it could be seen as a boon, if the state were to contract the data centers to sell the hot water locally for district heating, with the now cooled greywater coming from the town being passed back to the farmers.

Option 3 -- A techie type pointing out that these are technologies that advance all the time, and that water cooling replaced air cooling as a more efficient and ecofriendly approach, but that emerging techs like two phase immersion cooling will take away the need for water at all, and with a little government help this technology could be rolled out faster.

Those would be real life solutions of course, and the only problem with them is that they might be so reasonable that they make the issue a non-issue.

I leave that to you to puzzle out.
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