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[R] Baiting Uyghur thread

Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:34 am

These two posts seem a little over the line:
National Capitalist United States wrote:
Orostan wrote: bunch of supposedly independent minded liberals will come to repeat phrases at me. It’s like I’m talking to robots.

Yes. I'm sure tankies are free thinkers that don't follow anything that doesn't come from either China, Venezuela, Cuba or Palestine.

P.s: Xi Jinping isn't going to have sex with you


National Capitalist United States wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:“Everyone I don’t like is a liberal!” :roll:

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Accusing longstanding players of being bots seems like a variation of trollnaming:
Orostan wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:My goodness, he must have an excellent costumier. I must find out who does all his different stage make-ups. /s

And, more seriously, the amount of twisting that it must take to believe every single photographed witness is one man is... I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it.

Now I will never read that pseudo-site. Not even for giggles.

dude are you an actual bot or something?

National Capitalist United States wrote:Yes. I'm sure tankies are free thinkers that don't follow anything that doesn't come from either China, Venezuela, Cuba or Palestine.

P.s: Xi Jinping isn't going to have sex with you

Why do you insist on responding like a bot and refusing to even consider my arguments?

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:“Everyone I don’t like is a liberal!” :roll:

Yes, or a Trotskyist. But Trotskyists are basically liberals.


And some age-related baiting:
Orostan wrote:
National Capitalist United States wrote:Hmm, idk. It may have to do that it's the same repeated and terrible arguments I've from China simps on Twitter. Also why do you simp for China? Defending an authoritarian government doesn't make you a free thinker, it actually makes you the opposite of that.

>SIMP SIMP SIMP SIMP

why do you respond with infant like insults and not actual arguments? Are you 13 or something?
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Postby Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:46 am

aaaaaay I knew I’d I posted enough you’d report me to the forum cops. Credit for reporting the other guy too though.

I don’t see how any of this constitutes any violation of the rules. Calling someone out for infantile insults and another person for being obstinate doesn’t seem actionable to me, if that were the case then you would have to receive a warning or whatever too for engaging with me on that thread in bad faith.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:49 am

Orostan wrote:aaaaaay I knew I’d I posted enough you’d report me to the forum cops. Credit for reporting the other guy too though.

I don’t see how any of this constitutes any violation of the rules. Calling someone out for infantile insults and another person for being obstinate doesn’t seem actionable to me, if that were the case then you would have to receive a warning or whatever too for engaging with me on that thread in bad faith.

Disagreeing with the validity of your sources is not bad faith. If you believe I have done something wrong, you're free to report me here. [/notamod]
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Postby Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:52 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Orostan wrote:aaaaaay I knew I’d I posted enough you’d report me to the forum cops. Credit for reporting the other guy too though.

I don’t see how any of this constitutes any violation of the rules. Calling someone out for infantile insults and another person for being obstinate doesn’t seem actionable to me, if that were the case then you would have to receive a warning or whatever too for engaging with me on that thread in bad faith.

Disagreeing with the validity of your sources is not bad faith. If you believe I have done something wrong, you're free to report me here.

The Free Joy State wrote:
Orostan wrote:No, you haven’t even taken a look at the article! How can you pretend to be interested in the truth when you won’t even look into this?

Those “first hand witnesses” are incredibly unreliable, and you are just repeating claims you made before again after that. There is no evidence of cultural genocide or anything like that and claims of mass sterilization or rape are completely unfounded. They’re manufactured by a propaganda machine for the most part.

I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.

And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims. ;)


Here is you refusing to consider the opposing argument and dismissing it without any counter argument. You continue to do this later in the thread. It’a not constructive and if what I did is actionable in any way this should be too.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN


Sagarmatha wrote:You have a corporatist brain. "It's more faster so it's better". Profit, profit, profit my dear Neoliberal, never forget why you exist. Profit, profit, profit.


Orostan wrote:you have posted cringe, your workers are going to unionize and kill you.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:01 am

Orostan wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Disagreeing with the validity of your sources is not bad faith. If you believe I have done something wrong, you're free to report me here.

The Free Joy State wrote:I'm very interested in the truth. That's why I won't read worthless Chinese propaganda.

And you're in no position to talk about repeating claims. ;)

Here is you refusing to consider the opposing argument and dismissing it without any counter argument. You continue to do this later in the thread. It’a not constructive and if what I did is actionable in any way this should be too.

F.A.O Moderation: I was dismissing Orostan's source, provided here and here, rather than him as an individual. The second remark was in reference to the fact that his previous post to me had repeated the same claims.
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Postby Orostan » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:03 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Orostan wrote:
Here is you refusing to consider the opposing argument and dismissing it without any counter argument. You continue to do this later in the thread. It’a not constructive and if what I did is actionable in any way this should be too.

F.A.O Moderation: I was dismissing Orostan's source, provided here and here, rather than him as an individual. The second remark was in reference to the fact that his previous post to me had repeated the same claims.

You dismissed my source without any statement other than that it was “propaganda”, where my arguments against your sources have always been based on specific reasons why I believe they are wrong and why they may be propaganda.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN


Sagarmatha wrote:You have a corporatist brain. "It's more faster so it's better". Profit, profit, profit my dear Neoliberal, never forget why you exist. Profit, profit, profit.


Orostan wrote:you have posted cringe, your workers are going to unionize and kill you.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:50 pm

Dismissing someone's sources isn't against the site rules. It can be dickish for sure, but attacking sources for being biased, inaccurate, unreliable, or propaganda (which usually already falls under "biased, inaccurate, and unreliable" but...) is perfectly fair game. It's generally a good idea to have varied sources so that if one gets debunked or dismissed you have others you can fall back on.

In any case, I've trawled the entire thread and handed down smitings accordingly.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:30 pm

Appreciate the trawl, Reppy. Thanks!
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