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[R]Trollnaming in US terrorism thread

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[R]Trollnaming in US terrorism thread

Postby CoraSpia » Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:45 am

Well, that was pretty blatant.

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Postby Nova Vandalia » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:46 am



I understand I'm not directly involved with this and apologize, but I was told recently that per Max Barry stance on fighting against hateful ideologies like racism, nazism, and fascism that his stance per a Mod is "Max would rather have abhorrent/stupid ideologies dragged out into the open where they can be ripped to ribbons and shown for being the abhorrent and/or stupid ideologies they are than simply blanket banning them so they fester unchallenged."

It seems like the gentle you warned was just doing exactly that calling out an individuals ideologies for what they were, and since moderation expects us to handle these things and not themselves I'm unsure if this ruling is well true to form.

So do you expect us to report them or argue against them and call out their ideologies for what they are?

I mean as the nation who was reprimanded point out if you look at that individuals post history it's most in support of white supremacist ideologies, like "the great replacement".

So I'm really confused as to why this was an offense or should we report them first wait for nothing to be done and then try to do what Max wants us too?
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:56 am

That would be because trollnaming is an offense in itself. Under the Rules, trollnaming can be found in the subsection pertaining to forum spam, where it is also pointed out that the offense itself can be considered flaming.

For reference, this is the section of the same Rules that points out trollnaming as an offense, with the offense itself underlined:


[violet] wrote:Spam, and the different types of it
There are many types of spam, but the general definition is making a post that doesn't have any sort of use. Excessive bumping, tagging, and random posts with irrelevant information are all examples of spam. The same applies to in-game posts on regional message boards and telegrams.

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*Forum Spam: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that do not belong, such as smiley spam, meme spam, linkspam, and attempting to increase your post count.
-- Fishing for attention can be distracting, even upsetting to other players. Your Facebook, Twitter or other social media sites are more appropriate places for it. This especially applies to unnecessary drama. Please, do not drop a drama bomb on a chat as a way of getting a response.
-- Greeter Spam is only posting a 'hi' or 'hello', especially in the chat threads. Please add something to the ongoing conversations, even if you're introducing something new.
-- Trollnaming is a post made only to call out a player suspected of trolling. This can also be considered flaming. Report trolls in Moderation. Don't name them in-thread, and if found, do not feed.
-- Tagging is considered spam as well, since we have the "bookmark topic" feature (it's in your Profile and a menu option on every thread).


I hope this answers your question and must remind you that this is not a discussion thread.

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Postby Picairn » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 am

Same thread, malicious quote editing:

Alien Overlord wrote:
Kilobugya wrote:*Something about Chavez being the savior of mankind


You seem really focused on this drought that happened but as far as I've read (and I've read a fair deal) the Venezuelan economy didn't break apart because of the drought, it broke apart because of mismanagement by the government and an immense overdependence on oil which could have easily been avoided. That's not to mention the corruption and rising murder rate under Chavez even before the economy went to hell. I go again back to a successful story that is Saudi Arabia, which is a desert for the most part. The difference is the government of Saudi Arabia invested into industries outside of oil which has managed to keep it's economy resilient despite turbulent oil prices.

The lives of the Venezuelan people would have been far more improved if it's government had spent less on social programs and more on diversifying the economy. You are free to blame the CIA, sabotage, opposition, drought and any other manner of obscure bogeyman but the truth of the matter is that it was the poor policies of Chavez and Maduro and their socialist government which has made life so difficult in Venezuela that it resembles the Soviet Union prior to it's collapse, maybe even worse.


Here is the original post by Kilobugya:
Kilobugya wrote:
Alien Overlord wrote:Their mistake was not investing the massive profits they earned from the oil industry into diversifying the economy and modernizing it instead of useless social programs.


Useless social programs ? A million learning how to read ? Half a million recovering eye sight ? Millions seeing a doctor for the first time of their lives ? Millions moving out of slums and getting a decent housing ? All those are "useless" to you ?

Alien Overlord wrote:Here's a fact for you, the murder rate quadrupledunder Chavez and that's not a wider trend for Venezuela, it was because of Chavez.


I wouldn't say it was "because of Chávez" but yes it's a failure of his, I acknowledge that.

Alien Overlord wrote:It's convenient to blame the CIA, droughts, US embargoes and internal opposition and perhaps some of these did play a factor, but if that's the case why is it only Venezuela that has a collapsed economy right now.


They are the main factor, not just a minor contributing one.

Alien Overlord wrote:Colombia should arguably be in a worse state given it's problems with guerrillas and narcos except that it's not.


Colombia doesn't have sanctions from the world's superpowers - it receives help from them. As for not being in a worse state... it's very subjective.

Alien Overlord wrote:Venezuela was set up for success and collapsed because it was mismanaged.


Oh, sure, it was badly mismanaged for 40 years by the "Punto Fijo" parties, before Chávez.

Alien Overlord wrote:If it had taken the route of many Middle Eastern nations like Saudi Arabia and instead have put money into diversifying the economy and moving away from oil, it would have been better off.


And Chávez tried to do that. But he had to face a coup attempt. And a sabotage. And a population that had a million of illiterate. Nearly half who never could see a doctor. 60% below poverty line. And an administration that initially refused to cooperate with him, forcing him to setup semi-parallel institutions (the "missions"). So he focused on the emergencies first - bringing people out of poverty, granting them education and healthcare. Saddly he died and the world crisis and drought hit Venezuela all at once before the Bolivarian Revolution had time to convert the country.
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Postby Neu California » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:39 am

Some image spam, not sure if actionable

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Postby Giovenith » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:38 am

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:45 am

Odreria wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Regardless of the motivations of the state department, Maduro is a dictator.

He was forced to take dictatorial measures by the continued disloyalty and treason of the gangsters and fascists that call themselves the opposition.

Trolling? Claiming the Venezuelan opposition are all fascists and criminals.

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Postby Odreria » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:10 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Odreria wrote:He was forced to take dictatorial measures by the continued disloyalty and treason of the gangsters and fascists that call themselves the opposition.

Trolling? Claiming the Venezuelan opposition are all fascists and criminals.

No I didn't, I claimed that fascists and criminals present themselves as a legitimate political opposition.

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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:47 am

Sounds like an opinion to argue with if you disagree with it, rather than something that requires mod intervention.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:02 pm

Sedgistan wrote:Sounds like an opinion to argue with if you disagree with it, rather than something that requires mod intervention.

It seems like I read it wrong. Ops. Anyway, thanks Sedg.

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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:47 pm

Lucyferia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:it's almost as though left-leaning individuals tend to take it more seriously when officers of the state kill people (especially minorities) unjustifiably

So a police officer somewhere murders a person of color. That means all cops deserve to die? This is why deadly use of force happens. Police officers work a job where any day they could be killed. You're a miserable keyboard warrior who will never understand what that's like.
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Postby Giovenith » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:22 pm

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