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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:27 pm

Japan approves releasing wastewater into ocean
[urlhttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/13/fukushima-japan-to-start-dumping-contaminated-water-pacific-ocean] more than 1m tonnes of contaminated water in two years’ time[/url]
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Operation status of Alps system.Page 16
However, as of December 31, 2019, about 70% of the ALPS treated water* stored in tanks contains9 radionuclides other than tritium at the concentration that exceeds the regulatory standards for discharge. As described above, about 70% of the ALPS treated water* stored in tanks is not sufficiently purified, and it cannot be said that “the ALPS treated water that has been purified.” This is because in FY2013, in the early period of ALPS operation, purification performance was still insufficient, and the treated water included radionuclides that exceeded the regulatory standards for discharge. Additionally, due to the influence of the highly-concentrated contaminated water stored in the tanks, additional exposure doses at the site boundary were far higher than the regulatory standard for storage.
That only 28% of the treated water is safe,and 6% of them are more than 100 times higher than the safety standard. At the same time, there are still more than 100 tons of new polluted water every day


The Japanese government has decided to discharge nuclear releasing wastewater that meets the drinking water standard into the Pacific Ocean.Now it has caused great anger in South Korea. But the U.S. government has expressed appreciation for this behavior.In general, many countries think it will affect their fisheries
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Postby Perikuresu » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:29 pm

Is the water safe?

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:33 pm

Perikuresu wrote:Is the water safe?

The Japanese say it's safe enough to drink.But refused to put them into the drinking water system
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:36 pm

In a similar vein, a clock that stopped in the tsunami that also caused the issues at Fukushima has started again after an aftershock from that earthquake.. ten years later.

For almost 10 years, the clock hanging in Bunshun Sakano’s temple was a reminder of the day nature’s force came close to destroying his community.

The clock, which is thought to be about 100 years old, stopped ticking after the north-east coast of Japan was struck by an earthquake and tsunami that killed more than 18,000 people on 11 March 2011.

Fumonji temple, which lies a few hundred metres from the tsunami-hit coast in Yamamoto, a town in Miyagi prefecture, was hit by the waves, with only its pillars and roof spared by the deluge.

Sakano rescued the clock, cleaned it and wound the spring, but its hands refused to budge.


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Perikuresu wrote:Is the water safe?


I suppose it's relative given all the other crap we throw into the oceans, it's been a massive convenient garbage collector beyond the devastation of life we've caused.. what's a little radioactive waste?
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:00 am

Depends on what the water is like. If it has been completely refined and undergone treatment to reduce radioactivity through particles and completely diluted/distilled it should be fine to an extent. The problem I can see is particles that are gaseous like Radon easily leaking in or even worse neutrons. I think that the release of wastewater that meets guidelines to be released into the ocean to undergo the watercycle is okay to an extent releasing it bit by bit on a monthly basis but I can see better uses for it in the industrial sector for fuels or other chemical needs.

Edit: Considering Greenpeace has whinged about it like little shits, that's when you know this will become a problem politically
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:15 am

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:Depends on what the water is like. If it has been completely refined and undergone treatment to reduce radioactivity through particles and completely diluted/distilled it should be fine to an extent. The problem I can see is particles that are gaseous like Radon easily leaking in or even worse neutrons. I think that the release of wastewater that meets guidelines to be released into the ocean to undergo the watercycle is okay to an extent releasing it bit by bit on a monthly basis but I can see better uses for it in the industrial sector for fuels or other chemical needs.

Edit: Considering Greenpeace has whinged about it like little shits, that's when you know this will become a problem politically

As for dilution, the total amount of radioactive material is certain.It's like the difference between when I pee in your pool and when I dilute it and pour it into your pool
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:28 am

This is a nuclear attack on the Pacific Ocean. I cannot stand with this.

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Postby Kandorith » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:38 am

The water has been treated and diluted over the years and does indeed meet all international safety standards. Its sad to see that the media (well some of them) are not invested in explaining how the process works but would rather go: Japan is throwing nuclear waste into the ocean!!!

I would have wanted to see an alternative too but apparently all alternatives have been exhausted and this is the least damaging way to deal with the last parts of the Fukushima crisis.

Of course it has caused "anger" in South Korea, anything the Japanese government does seems to do so. A lot of anger thrown towards Japan from the South Korean government is usually used to cover up their own mistakes.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:07 am

This is a fairly standard practice for nuclear plants and honestly nothing to be overly concerned about. People just panic as soon as the words "nuclear" and "radioactive" come up, and of course the Koreans and the Chinese never saw an excuse to be angry at Japan that they didn't like. There are considerably bigger threats to both maritime and human life that get much less attention.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:19 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a nuclear attack on the Pacific Ocean. I cannot stand with this.

...lol it's not that serious.
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Postby Kilobugya » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:25 am

It's hard to have an opinion without any hard data about the exact content of that water, the concentration, the amount and the speed of the release. If it's diluted enough and released progressively enough, it shouldn't have any significant environment consequences, at last not from radiations alone.

There is a lot of fearmongering around "nuclear" and "radioactive", which is very often blown out of proportion compared to the actual threat (and so many other more serious threats which are neglected in comparison). But there is also some previous history of secrecy, lying and manipulation from governments and companies handling decontamination, making it hard to have an enlightened opinion on the topic.
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Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:Depends on what the water is like. If it has been completely refined and undergone treatment to reduce radioactivity through particles and completely diluted/distilled it should be fine to an extent. The problem I can see is particles that are gaseous like Radon easily leaking in or even worse neutrons. I think that the release of wastewater that meets guidelines to be released into the ocean to undergo the watercycle is okay to an extent releasing it bit by bit on a monthly basis but I can see better uses for it in the industrial sector for fuels or other chemical needs.

Edit: Considering Greenpeace has whinged about it like little shits, that's when you know this will become a problem politically

As for dilution, the total amount of radioactive material is certain.It's like the difference between when I pee in your pool and when I dilute it and pour it into your pool

By dilution I think the japs mean distilled and refined to the point where only small fractions of tracable elements of fuel or something like radon can be found which is either the same level of background radiation or slightly higher. Either way, I prefer the idea of it being used in industrial production than it being let out to continue in the water c ycle
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Postby Odreria » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:31 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:Is the water safe?

The Japanese say it's safe enough to drink.

No they don't. It's not done being filtered yet and the water won't be released for years. Stop lying.

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Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:As for dilution, the total amount of radioactive material is certain.It's like the difference between when I pee in your pool and when I dilute it and pour it into your pool

By dilution I think the japs mean distilled and refined to the point where only small fractions of tracable elements of fuel or something like radon can be found which is either the same level of background radiation or slightly higher. Either way, I prefer the idea of it being used in industrial production than it being let out to continue in the water c ycle

As far as I know there is no use at all for Cesium 137, especially this contaminated by gods know what, mostly because it's been lying around for 10 years.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:By dilution I think the japs mean distilled and refined to the point where only small fractions of tracable elements of fuel or something like radon can be found which is either the same level of background radiation or slightly higher. Either way, I prefer the idea of it being used in industrial production than it being let out to continue in the water c ycle

As far as I know there is no use at all for Cesium 137, especially this contaminated by gods know what, mostly because it's been lying around for 10 years.


It's contaminated with tritium, a radioactive hydrogen basically.

So there's a big woop on fear mongering and "Asian nation bad!" (Honestly I have seen quite the narrative lately in this country on how everything Japan does is bad to the point where the media here is even starting to follow the Chinese narrative on Japan).

For example this explains a bit about it: Why it's OK

And yes the water is within the safe drinking water limits.
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:52 am

Odreria wrote:
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:The Japanese say it's safe enough to drink.

No they don't. It's not done being filtered yet and the water won't be released for years. Stop lying.

Japan MP Yasuhiro Sonoda drinks Fukushima water
They not only said it, they also did it.
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They should have bottled it up and sold it in crates.

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Postby Philjia » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:51 am

The ocean is already fairly naturally radioactive in general. Discharging small amounts of somewhat more radioactive material into it is not going to make it significantly more radioactive.
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Postby Kandorith » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:46 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Odreria wrote:No they don't. It's not done being filtered yet and the water won't be released for years. Stop lying.

Japan MP Yasuhiro Sonoda drinks Fukushima water
They not only said it, they also did it.


:rofl: Of course Sonoda would do that, dedication to the max.

Philjia wrote:The ocean is already fairly naturally radioactive in general. Discharging small amounts of somewhat more radioactive material into it is not going to make it significantly more radioactive.


This sooo much; especially considering tritium. While Tritium has a half life of 12 or so years; I believe the so called biological half-life is only a few hours if not minutes.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:07 am

some data here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima ... ated_water

It's basically a bit of heavy water.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:08 am

You will get a higher dose of radiation flying from New York to LA, and tritium doesn’t bioaccumulate. The hysteria over this is fucking insane, as it has been from start to finish with everything related to Fukushima. They are literally diluting it and dumping it into the ocean over a period of years and it’s JUST HEAVY WATER. Jesus Christ.
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So we're losing our minds over something that is going g to be done entirely in compliance with international law?
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:11 am

Vassenor wrote:So we're losing our minds over something that is going g to be done entirely in compliance with international law?

Yup. All kinds of people on every forum and social media site are freaking out that the whole Pacific Ocean is going to be some radioactive cancer soup the instant a drop of tritium gets in it from Fukushima. Pro tip: if Castle Bravo didn’t permanently contaminate all of Earth’s largest ocean, I don’t think some diluted wastewater is gonna cut it.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:45 am

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Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a nuclear attack on the Pacific Ocean. I cannot stand with this.

...lol it's not that serious.


I will not tolerate this undue contamination of the Pacific Ocean. The fact that the USA is praising this rather than condemning shows that it has no respect for nature and the environment

I think South Korea has a good reason to be angry on this issue. It is a very irresponsible action from Japan, but I’m not surprised after they resumed the whaling
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