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U.S. troops to be withdrawn from Afghanistan by summer

Postby Nerovia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:00 pm

President Joe Biden will be pulling all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan at the end of the summer by September 11th, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that started this war. I did not expect this coming. It feels kinda weird for many of us here growing up hearing, reading and discussing the war...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56737563

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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:03 pm

Nerovia wrote:President Joe Biden will be pulling all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan at the end of the summer by September 11th, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that started this war. I did not expect this coming. It feels kinda weird for many of us here growing up hearing, reading and discussing the war...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56737563

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Postby Tranzoria » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:04 pm

I doubt he will succeed this one time, even though he has succeeded a lot, tbh. Just like all other attempts, Democrat or Republican, to pull troops out of that godforsaken anarchical nation
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Postby Tranzoria » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:05 pm

Tranzoria wrote:I doubt he will succeed this one time, even though he has succeeded a lot, tbh. Just like all other attempts, Democrat or Republican, to pull troops out of that godforsaken anarchical nation

If it's even a nation at this point...
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Postby Arisyan » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:06 pm

yay! There is no more point in the US occupying it. Taliban activity has, kind of? died down recently and the country has sort of stabilized. Honestly the US occupying it isn't making anything better. Come Home America!
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I will believe it when I see it.
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Postby Tranzoria » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:07 pm

Punished UMN wrote:I will believe it when I see it.

Same.
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Postby Apostate » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:08 pm

I believe Trump was in the process of doing it when he was unseated by Biden. In all honesty getting US troops out of foreign nations supersedes petty politics, if Afghanistan wants to change, that change needs to come from within. Now who is going to pay the bill?
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:14 pm

Like others have said already, I'll believe it when I see it, but I really don't know what to think. I was only 5 when it all started. To me, U.S. troops in Afghanistan has just been a fact of life. I thought it might have been like our 100 year war.
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Postby Deblar » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm

Long time coming. They’ve stationed troops in Afghanistan longer than I’ve been alive.
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Postby Xmara » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:35 pm

Haven’t other presidents made similar promises?

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:35 pm

We'll see if this comes to fruition, but I can at least admire that Biden is more or less sticking to some of his foreign policy commitments in this arena.
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Postby Whitemore » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm

He'll earn even more respect from me if he actually withdraws all U.S. troops from Afghanistan, I have a friend who is over there.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 pm

There is at least one indicator that Biden intends to go through with it-the withdrawal does not appear to be based on any conditions that have to be fulfilled.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:52 pm

Totally not suspicious that Trump was doing this before the election. The military lied to him about the real numbers of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq so he couldn't pull out the troops. Guess it's Ok to withdraw when it's a Democrat though.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:00 pm

Call me a pessimist but if this doesn't turn into another Fall of Saigon I'll be genuinely surprised.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:04 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:Totally not suspicious that Trump was doing this before the election. The military lied to him about the real numbers of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq so he couldn't pull out the troops. Guess it's Ok to withdraw when it's a Democrat though.


Always okay to withdraw within reason, don't be silly. We were supposed to pull out in May, but we didn't have the capacity to do so.

Not everything is some conspiracy against Trump, y'know?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:06 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Totally not suspicious that Trump was doing this before the election. The military lied to him about the real numbers of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq so he couldn't pull out the troops. Guess it's Ok to withdraw when it's a Democrat though.


Always okay to withdraw within reason, don't be silly. We were supposed to pull out in May, but we didn't have the capacity to do so.

Not everything is some conspiracy against Trump, y'know?


Wait, it's not!? B-but that ruins the NARRATIVE!

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:07 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Totally not suspicious that Trump was doing this before the election. The military lied to him about the real numbers of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq so he couldn't pull out the troops. Guess it's Ok to withdraw when it's a Democrat though.


Always okay to withdraw within reason, don't be silly. We were supposed to pull out in May, but we didn't have the capacity to do so.

Not everything is some conspiracy against Trump, y'know?

War has been going on longer than I've been alive, glad we're pulling out. And yes, it is annoying how much people seem to think that Trump is this messiah who is victimized.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:10 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Always okay to withdraw within reason, don't be silly. We were supposed to pull out in May, but we didn't have the capacity to do so.

Not everything is some conspiracy against Trump, y'know?

War has been going on longer than I've been alive, glad we're pulling out. And yes, it is annoying how much people seem to think that Trump is this messiah who is victimized.

WHAT?! You're saying Trump ISN'T a messiah who is being victimised?! *faints*



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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:10 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Totally not suspicious that Trump was doing this before the election. The military lied to him about the real numbers of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq so he couldn't pull out the troops. Guess it's Ok to withdraw when it's a Democrat though.


Always okay to withdraw within reason, don't be silly. We were supposed to pull out in May, but we didn't have the capacity to do so.

Not everything is some conspiracy against Trump, y'know?

In fairness, it's true that in Syria, there were several defense officials who hid troop numbers from the people at the top.
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“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is “a lot more than” the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.

not sure about afghanistan, though
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Always okay to withdraw within reason, don't be silly. We were supposed to pull out in May, but we didn't have the capacity to do so.

Not everything is some conspiracy against Trump, y'know?

In fairness, it's true that in Syria, there were several defense officials who hid troop numbers from the people at the top.

not sure about afghanistan, though


Sure, I don't think it was to politically harm Trump as much as it was the kneejerk reactions of our military-industrial complex. It's the same reason Obama pivoted to a very conservative troop withdrawal in Iraq and the retention of other troops abroad because his military aides and defense underlings told him that same exact hyperbolic exaggeration.

Either Biden isn't falling for it, or he will in a few months time.
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