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Do you think white supermascists should be able to express their views?

Yes
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No
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Depends
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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:28 am

On my personal quest to learn more about the beautiful world we live on, I have come across so many interesting people, from Communists to Liberal socialists, democratic centrists, nationalists, fascists, and liberals. But a group of people that I have failed to have seen is a white supremacist. That was until today.





So that got me thinking, I am not someone that knows the full ideology and beliefs of white supremacy (I’m more well knowledgeable on the KKK) and I believe we should listen to everybody idea’s no matter how much we hate them or despise them. So the purpose of this thread is to do the following

Discuss issues pertaining to White supremacy and White nationalism

Gain a full and whole idea of what white supremacy is and what it isn't

To bridge the gap between white supremacists and anti-white supremacists

To have civil debates and conservations on the values and tenets of White supremacy (and why or why not you believe it is flawed)



To get things straight I am no white supremacist myself, I am rather a person interested in hearing in what they have to say. I believe everybody regardless of how hateful I think their views may be, must be able to voice their opinion without harsh backlash.

That being said, I know how fast things can get out of hand these days, so make sure to keep it civil, and follow NS rules.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:30 am

Vorausen wrote:On my personal quest to learn more about the beautiful world we live on, I have come across so many interesting people, from Communists to Liberal socialists, democratic centrists, nationalists, fascists, and liberals. But a group of people that I have failed to have seen is a white supremacist. That was until today.


Did you discovered /pol/ today?
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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:33 am

Nakena wrote:
Vorausen wrote:On my personal quest to learn more about the beautiful world we live on, I have come across so many interesting people, from Communists to Liberal socialists, democratic centrists, nationalists, fascists, and liberals. But a group of people that I have failed to have seen is a white supremacist. That was until today.


Did you discovered /pol/ today?



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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:34 am

So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:35 am

Vorausen wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Did you discovered /pol/ today?



Like how to create polls or a specific person?

/pol/ are forums on 4chan and 8chan. The forums are cesspools for white supremacists and trolls.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:35 am

Vorausen wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Did you discovered /pol/ today?



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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:36 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.



I agree, although me being a curious person, I like to hear what they have to say. Like why do they believe this; what is their logic for it?

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Postby The Alkdorian Empire » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:36 am

Nakena wrote:
Vorausen wrote:On my personal quest to learn more about the beautiful world we live on, I have come across so many interesting people, from Communists to Liberal socialists, democratic centrists, nationalists, fascists, and liberals. But a group of people that I have failed to have seen is a white supremacist. That was until today.


Did you discovered /pol/ today?

I wouldn't label pol, a honeypot for people who think their skin is somehow special rather than the intellect and ability of their own specials to better serve the interests of their communities and if possible, the world. For pol that is either as they are just a bunch of trolls, yes, some may hold such silly views, but the majority just want to have a laugh at this crazy little world we live on.

Otherwise, I believe they should have the right to voice their opinions. It's better to debate them on the street or on a forum, rather than silencing them as I find that to be sadder and more pathetic than shutting someone for having an odd viewpoint.
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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:37 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.

Yes. White Supremacists are disgusting and their ideology deeply flawed, but the tenants of Democracy require that we let them say stuff. Doesn't mean we have to listen to em though :P
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:39 am

Vorausen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.



I agree, although me being a curious person, I like to hear what they have to say. Like why do they believe this; what is their logic for it?

Well, it may be interesting but that doesn't mean that hating on non-whites is good, whatever logic they don't have.
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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:39 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.

Yes. White Supremacists are disgusting and their ideology deeply flawed, but the tenants of Democracy require that we let them say stuff. Doesn't mean we have to listen to em though :P



I don't necessary think that anyone is disgusting, maybe their views in a globalized society may be considered disgusting. But I don't think white supremacists are inherently bad people, just a different outlook on race and such. White supremacy is an idea that is passed on from generation to egneration.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:41 am

Vorausen wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Yes. White Supremacists are disgusting and their ideology deeply flawed, but the tenants of Democracy require that we let them say stuff. Doesn't mean we have to listen to em though :P



I don't necessary think that anyone is disgusting, maybe their views in a globalized society may be considered disgusting. But I don't think white supremacists are inherently bad people, just a different outlook on race and such. White supremacy is an idea that is passed on from generation to egneration.

I generally find lynchings and genocide to be disgusting, but I note your points.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:42 am

Vorausen wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Yes. White Supremacists are disgusting and their ideology deeply flawed, but the tenants of Democracy require that we let them say stuff. Doesn't mean we have to listen to em though :P



I don't necessary think that anyone is disgusting, maybe their views in a globalized society may be considered disgusting. But I don't think white supremacists are inherently bad people, just a different outlook on race and such. White supremacy is an idea that is passed on from generation to egneration.

That doesn't mean they have to continue the process though. And most non-whites probably agree that they are disgusting, or at the very least their ideas.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:42 am

Vorausen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.



I agree, although me being a curious person, I like to hear what they have to say. Like why do they believe this; what is their logic for it?


Understanding someone and why the believe the things they do could indeed be useful for figuring out ways to peacefully change a persons opinion on a given topic, sure.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:So long as we have freedom of speech, then yes, they should be allowed to express their views.

We also have the collective choice not to listen to said views however and choose to ignore them as well.

Yes. White Supremacists are disgusting and their ideology deeply flawed, but the tenants of Democracy require that we let them say stuff. Doesn't mean we have to listen to em though :P


Exactly my point. Best thing you could do is not give them the time of day, which would deny them the platform of attention that any movement needs in order to gain any real momentum.

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Vorausen wrote:
I agree, although me being a curious person, I like to hear what they have to say. Like why do they believe this; what is their logic for it?

Well, it may be interesting but that doesn't mean that hating on non-whites is good, whatever logic they don't have.


Funny, I don't remember said poster making that argument anywhere in their post. Perhaps you should re-read it?

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White supremacy is a fucking joke and so is anyone who espouses it.
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Postby Severacia » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:45 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:White supremacy is a fucking joke and so is anyone who espouses it.

Well the people just have wrong views. It might be because they were taught that white supremacy is good.

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Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:45 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Vorausen wrote:

I don't necessary think that anyone is disgusting, maybe their views in a globalized society may be considered disgusting. But I don't think white supremacists are inherently bad people, just a different outlook on race and such. White supremacy is an idea that is passed on from generation to egneration.

That doesn't mean they have to continue the process though. And most non-whites probably agree that they are disgusting, or at the very least their ideas.

Most white people think they're disgusting.
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Postby Vorausen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:46 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Vorausen wrote:

I agree, although me being a curious person, I like to hear what they have to say. Like why do they believe this; what is their logic for it?


Understanding someone and why the believe the things they do could indeed be useful for figuring out ways to peacefully change a persons opinion on a given topic, sure.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Yes. White Supremacists are disgusting and their ideology deeply flawed, but the tenants of Democracy require that we let them say stuff. Doesn't mean we have to listen to em though :P


Exactly my point. Best thing you could do is not give them the time of day, which would deny them the platform of attention that any movement needs in order to gain any real momentum.

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Well, it may be interesting but that doesn't mean that hating on non-whites is good, whatever logic they don't have.


Funny, I don't remember said poster making that argument anywhere in their post. Perhaps you should re-read it?



A great example of someone who learned more about white supremacy in order to combat it was Daryl Davis, a black musician who made friends with the Grand wizard (and the grand wizard eventually left the KKK because of Daryl) I recommended that you watch his Ted Talk on how he approached the issue and shares a lot in common with me when it comes to learning about white supremacy

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:46 am

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:47 am

Depends on what you mean by express. They can say bigoted things under the first amendment, but if it crosses the line into death threats or terrorism, then they should be arrested.

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Postby Alaska Hawaii and the Aleutes » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:48 am

Vorausen wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Understanding someone and why the believe the things they do could indeed be useful for figuring out ways to peacefully change a persons opinion on a given topic, sure.



Exactly my point. Best thing you could do is not give them the time of day, which would deny them the platform of attention that any movement needs in order to gain any real momentum.



Funny, I don't remember said poster making that argument anywhere in their post. Perhaps you should re-read it?



A great example of someone who learned more about white supremacy in order to combat it was Daryl Davis, a black musician who made friends with the Grand wizard (and the grand wizard eventually left the KKK because of Daryl) I recommended that you watch his Ted Talk on how he approached the issue and shares a lot in common with me when it comes to learning about white supremacy

I've seen his TED talk. It was quite interesting hearing that story.
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