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Are Fijian Indians Asians or Pacific Islanders?

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Are Fijian Indians Asians or Pacific Islanders?

Postby Cetacea » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:13 pm

In 1879, the ship Leonidas arrived in Fiji carrying indentured labourers from Calcutta, the first of more than 60,000 Indians who were brought by the British to work on sugar-cane plantations in Fiji, lured by the promise of a better life. The Indian workers, arriving under contract, established lives and families in Fiji and came to be known as Girmitiyas - a Hindi take on the English word 'agreement'.

Today 15,000 of their descendants live across New Zealand and for Census purposes are categorised as South Asians.
However the Fiji Girmit Foundation of New Zealand said many of its members had never been to India nor had any links or connection with India, instead having their roots firmly in Fiji. For the past two years, they have been urging the government to recognise them as Pacific islanders rather than Asians.

Replying to the issue Government Minister Aupito William Sio, said while he understood the group's concerns, he added the classification for Fijian-Indians was in line with an ethnographic profile which included people with a common language, customs and traditions.

Pacific Islanders (Pasifika) in NZ are in a similar position to Hispanic population in the US, a large hetrogenous ethnic group, often entering NZ as labourers and thus recipients of targetted services and investment from Government. I may be cynical but I’m sure this is a big motivator for the Girmit Foundations push.

So Esteemed Enthnophiles of NSG do you think 142 years is long enough for Fijian Indians to be considered a Pacific Population or should they be grouped with continental Indians on ethnographic criteria?
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:36 pm

Honestly this human need to categorise everything, to create differentiation.. it's a problem. Let them be Pacific Islanders.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:30 pm

You are what your culture is. Race and racial origin mean next to nothing.
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Why not both?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:21 am

If they're integrated into Fijan culture, they're Pacific Islanders.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:52 am

Cetacea wrote: For the past two years, they have been urging the government to recognise them as Pacific islanders rather than Asians.

Omfg just kill off all this racial bullshit ferchrissake. What matters is citizenship and census for tax, welfare and residency purposes. Anything else doesn't matter.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am

Risottia wrote:
Cetacea wrote: For the past two years, they have been urging the government to recognise them as Pacific islanders rather than Asians.

Omfg just kill off all this racial bullshit ferchrissake. What matters is citizenship and census for tax, welfare and residency purposes. Anything else doesn't matter.

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:59 am

Both.

Race is quite man-made, anyway.
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Postby Ariddia » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:20 pm

As someone who follows Fiji politics, I was fairly interested when I saw this issue come up recently.

Bombadil wrote:Honestly this human need to categorise everything, to create differentiation.. it's a problem. Let them be Pacific Islanders.


Risottia wrote:Omfg just kill off all this racial bullshit ferchrissake. What matters is citizenship and census for tax, welfare and residency purposes. Anything else doesn't matter.


Hear, hear. I would much prefer it if we could all stop categorising ourselves and others by "race", a divisive and meaningless concept. Citizens of a same state have a same civic identity, which should be paramount. As a Frenchman who happens to be viewed as "white", I have endlessly more in common with a black Frenchman than with a white Estonian.

But in the meantime, notwithstanding the Foundation's possible motivations, it seems quite obvious to me that Indo-Fijians (Fiji Indians) are Pacific Islanders. They're a community from Fiji, with their own Fiji-derived customs and practices, and their own Fijianised version of Hindi.
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