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China's growing power casts doubt on US defense of Taiwan

Postby Jolthig » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:42 pm

WASHINGTON — China's massive arms buildup has raised doubts about America's ability to defend Taiwan if a war broke out, reflecting a shifting balance of power in the Pacific where American forces once dominated, U.S. officials and experts say.

In simulated combat in which China attempts to invade Taiwan, the results are sobering and the United States often loses, said David Ochmanek, a former senior Defense Department official who helps run war games for the Pentagon at the RAND Corp. think tank.

In tabletop exercises with America as the "blue team" facing off against a "red team" resembling China, Taiwan's air force is wiped out within minutes, U.S. air bases across the Pacific come under attack, and American warships and aircraft are held at bay by the long reach of China's vast missile arsenal, he said.

"Even when the blue teams in our simulations and war games intervened in a determined way, they don't always succeed in defeating the invasion," Ochmanek said.

A war over Taiwan remains a worst-case scenario that officials say is not imminent. But China's growing military prowess, coupled with its aggressive rhetoric, is turning Taiwan into a potential flashpoint between Beijing and Washington — and a test case for how the U.S. will confront China's superpower ambitions.

The outgoing head of the U.S. military's Indo-Pacific Command, Adm. Philip Davidson, warned senators this month that the U.S. is losing its military edge over China, and that Beijing could decide to try to seize control of Taiwan by force by 2027.

"We are accumulating risk that may embolden China to unilaterally change the status quo before our forces may be able to deliver an effective response," the admiral told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

"Taiwan is clearly one of their ambitions. ... And I think the threat is manifest during this decade, in fact, in the next six years."

U.S. intelligence analysts have warned for more than a decade that China's military strength was progressing at a dramatic pace, and that America's superiority was evaporating in the Pacific, Defense officials told NBC News. Only now has the message finally hit home, with simulated battles driving home the point.

"You bring in lieutenant colonels and commanders, and you subject them for three or four days to this war game. They get their asses kicked, and they have a visceral reaction to it," Ochmanek said. "You can see the learning happen."

Twenty years ago, China had no chance of successfully challenging the U.S. military in the Taiwan Strait, and Pentagon planners could count on near total air superiority and the ability to move aircraft carriers close to Taiwan's eastern coast.

But a more prosperous China has invested in new naval ships, warplanes, cyber and space weapons and a massive arsenal of ballistic and cruise missiles designed to undercut the U.S. military's sea and air power.

"When you look at the numbers and ranges of systems that China deploys, it's pretty easy to deduce what their main target is because pretty much everything they build can hit Taiwan. And a lot of stuff they build really can only hit Taiwan," said David Shlapak, a senior defense researcher at the RAND Corp. think tank who also has worked on war-gaming models involving China.

Every generation of Chinese missiles has "longer and longer ranges on them," said one senior Defense official, and the missiles present a growing dilemma for the U.S. in how to penetrate the area around Taiwan, the official said.

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Even if China refrains from direct military action on Taiwan, U.S. officials and analysts worry that Beijing could eventually force Taipei to buckle through steady military and economic pressure that creates a perception that the U.S. can't guarantee the island's defense.

"At some point does China have enough military capability to push the Taiwanese into some sort of settlement, where you never get into a fight, but it's just that threat hanging over the head of Taiwan?" the Defense official said.

If China succeeded in subjugating democratic-ruled Taiwan, it would send shockwaves through America's network of alliances, and cause other democratic governments in Asia to doubt Washington's reliability and strength, officials and experts said.

China views the self-governed island as part of its own territory and has never renounced the possible use of force to bring it under Beijing's control. China's political leadership sees reunification with Taiwan as a core objective, and Beijing's actions and statements have grown more assertive in recent months.

When contacted by NBC News, China's embassy in Washington pointed to recent comments from foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian, who accused the United States of adopting a Cold War mentality and overstating tensions over Taiwan.

"By exploiting the Taiwan question to exaggerate China's military threat, some people in the United States are actually looking for excuses to justify the increase of the U.S. military expenditure, expansion of its military power" and interference in regional affairs, the spokesperson said.

"The United States should abandon the Cold War zero-sum mentality, view China's development and national defense development objectively and rationally, and do more things that are conducive to mutual trust between China and the United States and regional peace and stability," he said.

Starting in June, China started regularly flying fighter jets and bombers across the median line in the strait separating mainland China and Taiwan, and into Taiwan's Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). The flights have forced Taipei to scramble its fighter planes to intercept the Chinese aircraft.

The Chinese military flights are part of a campaign of pressure tactics designed to wear down Taiwan's small air force, the Defense official said, adding: "From Taiwan's perspective, there's a level of fatigue associated with this."

Taiwan has reported a series of aviation mishaps in recent months, raising questions about whether China's encroachment was having an impact on Taiwan's air crews. Two Taiwanese fighter planes crashed on March 22 in the third such incident in six months.

The U.S. Navy, meanwhile, has sent guided-missile destroyers through the Taiwan Strait three times since Biden took office, and the U.S. Air Force flew B-52 bombers to a base in Guam last month to "reinforce the rules-based international order in the Indo-Pacific region."

The United States is committed by law to providing Taiwan with the means to maintain its self-defense, and successive presidents have approved arms sales to the island, including F-16 fighter jets and Patriot missile batteries.

But Ochmanek and other analysts argue that Taiwan — and the United States — need lower-tech weapons to fend off a potential Chinese invasion, and that big-ticket items like fighter jets and Patriot missiles will prove useless in the event of a Chinese assault.

"They've invested a lot of money in Patriot missiles. Those Patriot missiles are going to die in the first few hours of the war," Ochmanek said. The same goes for fighter jets on the runway targeted by potential Chinese missile salvoes, he and other experts said.

Ochmanek argues Taiwan should invest in mines, drones and mobile anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles that could slow a Chinese amphibious and airborne invasion, providing precious time for U.S. help to arrive.

Although senior military officers mostly agree that Taiwan and the U.S. need to adapt to the risks posed by China, it’s not clear if Congress or the Pentagon would be ready to give up purchasing more fighter jets or other expensive hardware to free up money for alternative weapons.

"We are acutely aware of the threat posed by China's military build-up, as well as its aggressive behavior in Taiwan's vicinity," said a spokesperson for Taiwan's mission in Washington, the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States.

"These actions threaten peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, and are part of a broader pattern of Chinese attempts to intimidate countries in the Indo-Pacific region," it said.

"Taiwan has increased our defense spending commensurate with these challenges," the spokesperson said, and the island has plans to bolster investments into "asymmetric capabilities."

U.S. military officers in the Pacific say the Pentagon needs to shift more weapons and resources to Asia and transform its mindset to take on China. Without a change in U.S. weapons and tactics, the American military could find itself at a disadvantage in Taiwan and across the Pacific, potentially undermining the confidence of allies and partners that look to Washington as a counterweight to China, Defense officials said.

"If we make no changes in posture, then absolutely, you're going to find a future where we're simply outmatched," a second Defense official said.

"You can't just maintain the same static line of forces that we have currently assigned, particularly west of the International Date Line. That will not do the job."

The Pentagon declined to comment.


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...And there you have it, folks. The declining power of the US and the growing might in China. We are seeing history repeat itself, here. Empires are shifting and Taiwan is no doubt an ambition for itself to conquer. This would be an injury to US pride, being the world policeman which is why Taiwan is priority for us. None of us want war, but it seems to be more inevitable within the next few decades.

China will do whatever it can to win this competition whether through military or economic might as it already has been doing. They'll use politics & rhetoric to get their way in world affairs. Taiwan is a special case.

The only "good" that would come out of this if war does ensure somehow, is the Chinese Civil War would conclude as much like the Korean War, it technically still on a legal basis is still happening despite no fighting as both the ROC & PRC view one another as rebels against the state that must be suppressed.

I just hope and pray things turn for the best no matter what.
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Postby New Jacobland » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:07 pm

As an Australian I am worried about China. They've been threatening and sanctioning my country, and to be honest, I don't think the US can do much. The US needs to take action now, or it is never going to work.
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Postby Nilokeras » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:11 pm

Empires are gonna empire. Just a shame so many innocent people are in the crosshairs.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:12 pm

I want war with China, but it shouldn't be a direct war because China is a nuclear power. I see plenty of potential to be had for sabotaging their belt and road initiatives across the board. There is perhaps just enough unrest in Xinjiang that can be exploited. The people there aren't loyal to China and are being oppressed. If a proxy war is sparked there, China's military might can be drained over time if the cards are played right. It should be like the Soviet's attempt to conquer Afghanistan.

China will be unable or unwilling to invade Kazakhstan as well because it is protected by Russia. If the vestiges of the Sino-Soviet split are still enough in terms of remnants, Russia can be persuaded to align against China as being more in its best interests.

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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:12 pm

The US should hopefully take this to start a new modernization and expansion of the military along with a reorientation of assets and strategy focus. Asia and Africa should be the focus for American strategic investment and focus. Also try to reach an understanding with Russia, even if that means giving up Georgia and Ukraine.
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Postby New Jacobland » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:16 pm

Saiwania wrote:I want war with China, but it shouldn't be a direct war because China is a nuclear power. I see plenty of potential to be had for sabotaging their belt and road initiatives across the board. There is perhaps just enough unrest in Xinjiang that can be exploited. The people there aren't loyal to China and are being oppressed. If a proxy war is sparked there, China's military might can be drained over time if the cards are played right. It should be like the Soviet's attempt to conquer Afghanistan.

China will be unable or unwilling to invade Kazakhstan as well because it is protected by Russia. If the vestiges of the Sino-Soviet split are still enough in terms of remnants, Russia can be persuaded to align against China as being more in its best interests.

Certainly. Direct war and the world is over, but Cold War-esque proxy conflicts and economic diplomacy can still be good for the West
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Immortan Khan wrote:The US should hopefully take this to start a new modernization and expansion of the military along with a reorientation of assets and strategy focus. Asia and Africa should be the focus for American strategic investment and focus. Also try to reach an understanding with Russia, even if that means giving up Georgia and Ukraine.

The US and Russia are never going to “reach an understanding”. The United States is a naval power that wants to stop a major Eurasian superpower from arising and a Russia is a land focused power that wants to become said Eurasian superpower.
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Immortan Khan wrote:The US should hopefully take this to start a new modernization and expansion of the military along with a reorientation of assets and strategy focus. Asia and Africa should be the focus for American strategic investment and focus. Also try to reach an understanding with Russia, even if that means giving up Georgia and Ukraine.

The US and Russia are never going to “reach an understanding”. The United States is a naval power that wants to stop a major Eurasian superpower from arising and a Russia is a land focused power that wants to become said Eurasian superpower.

At least they could try to ally against commie China. Maybe...
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:20 pm

Given the proximity I don't think anyone can defend Taiwan if China is really hell bent. Avenge Taiwan, maybe, but any full scale offensive by China would be over by the time anyone else can respond with significant force.
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Immortan Khan wrote:The US should hopefully take this to start a new modernization and expansion of the military along with a reorientation of assets and strategy focus. Asia and Africa should be the focus for American strategic investment and focus. Also try to reach an understanding with Russia, even if that means giving up Georgia and Ukraine.

The US and Russia are never going to “reach an understanding”. The United States is a naval power that wants to stop a major Eurasian superpower from arising and a Russia is a land focused power that wants to become said Eurasian superpower.

Russia isn't in a position to become a superpower and it's main focus is on retaining its SOI and major power status which can easily be accommodated. Part of the Problem is American dualistic thinking, which tbf is because America has been in such a situation for over 80 years now, but aiming for a sort of Concert of Earth diplomatic system is viable and one that can easily be used to create a coalition against China. It would mean America giving up some of its power and influence however in certain regions.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:22 pm

I would also recommend giving Taiwan nukes, to give China its own missile crisis. If they back off from all future expansionism, an agreement can be had to let it be that Taiwan won't be nuclear armed. But so long as China wants to invade, Taiwan must be able to nuke China in retaliation if it has to come to that.
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Saiwania wrote:I would also recommend giving Taiwan nukes, to give China its own missile crisis. If they back off from all future expansionism, an agreement can be had to let it be that Taiwan won't be nuclear armed. But so long as China wants to invade, Taiwan must be able to nuke China in retaliation if it has to come to that.


You want to... create another missile crisis that almost destroys the world? :blink:
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The second you give Taiwan nukes they will have to be there permanently until the PRC stops being a major power.
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Rusozak wrote:You want to... create another missile crisis that almost destroys the world? :blink:


Its because I'm 95% sure that it'd pay off like it did for the US and Cuba.
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Saiwania wrote:I would also recommend giving Taiwan nukes, to give China its own missile crisis. If they back off from all future expansionism, an agreement can be had to let it be that Taiwan won't be nuclear armed. But so long as China wants to invade, Taiwan must be able to nuke China in retaliation if it has to come to that.

No. That'd be a major violation of the NPT.
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Saiwania wrote:I want war with China, but it shouldn't be a direct war because China is a nuclear power. I see plenty of potential to be had for sabotaging their belt and road initiatives across the board. There is perhaps just enough unrest in Xinjiang that can be exploited. The people there aren't loyal to China and are being oppressed. If a proxy war is sparked there, China's military might can be drained over time if the cards are played right. It should be like the Soviet's attempt to conquer Afghanistan.

China will be unable or unwilling to invade Kazakhstan as well because it is protected by Russia. If the vestiges of the Sino-Soviet split are still enough in terms of remnants, Russia can be persuaded to align against China as being more in its best interests.


You lost me at "I want a war with China."

Anyone who "wants a war" clearly has never lived through a war or felt its effects.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:31 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Rusozak wrote:You want to... create another missile crisis that almost destroys the world? :blink:


Its because I'm 95% sure that it'd pay off like it did for the US and Cuba.

5% of world annihilation is still not exactly a great deal.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:31 pm

It's always interesting to have the US, a country which has territories stretching from its Pacific coast to Guam, disliking the PRC attempting to annex islands which are comparatively in the general vicinity of its mainland.

...which doesn't at all excuse the PRC's bullying of the South China Sea-bordering countries (those islands are packed in amongst a bunch of other countries while the American Pacific islands are not really, I guess) and their rather ominous designs upon Taiwan, a country to which they have no legitimate claim, but still.
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We need to strike before they begin to catch up

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Saiwania wrote:I would also recommend giving Taiwan nukes, to give China its own missile crisis. If they back off from all future expansionism, an agreement can be had to let it be that Taiwan won't be nuclear armed. But so long as China wants to invade, Taiwan must be able to nuke China in retaliation if it has to come to that.

No. That'd be a major violation of the NPT.

So?
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:38 pm

The New California Republic wrote:No. That'd be a major violation of the NPT.


We need to be willing to move past old and obsolete treaties like the NPT, especially considering how it hasn't worked and no countries follow it in practice. India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel- all weren't supposed to become nuclear but did anyways.

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Postby Senkaku » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:40 pm

It's been a problem for a while and we don't seem to have done much about it, although some of the new long-range drones and laser weapons we're coming up with at least let our carriers maybe stay relevant for a while.

Romextly wrote:We need to strike before they begin to catch up

Do you have a time machine that can take us back to 1993? That would be "before they began to catch up."

Saiwania wrote:I want war with China, but it shouldn't be a direct war because China is a nuclear power.

"I want war with China, but it shouldn't be an actual war, because, you know, they're like... pretty fucking formidable."

Yes, we get it, you want to jerk yourself off about "exterminating a lesser race" or whatever, without actually doing all the hard work to go through with it.
I see plenty of potential to be had for sabotaging their belt and road initiatives across the board. There is perhaps just enough unrest in Xinjiang that can be exploited. The people there aren't loyal to China and are being oppressed. If a proxy war is sparked there, China's military might can be drained over time if the cards are played right. It should be like the Soviet's attempt to conquer Afghanistan.

China will be unable or unwilling to invade Kazakhstan as well because it is protected by Russia. If the vestiges of the Sino-Soviet split are still enough in terms of remnants, Russia can be persuaded to align against China as being more in its best interests.

Make sure to build plenty of Aerodromes and focus on getting Stealth Technology so you can build Jet Bombers before them-- but make sure to defend your Campuses so their Spies don't steal the tech boost for it from you.

Nilokeras wrote:Empires are gonna empire. Just a shame so many innocent people are in the crosshairs.

And so many chip foundries. But yes, mostly the millions of people who will probably die in the event of an actual full-blown invasion.
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:47 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:It's always interesting to have the US, a country which has territories stretching from its Pacific coast to Guam, disliking the PRC attempting to annex islands which are comparatively in the general vicinity of its mainland.

...which doesn't at all excuse the PRC's bullying of the South China Sea-bordering countries (those islands are packed in amongst a bunch of other countries while the American Pacific islands are not really, I guess) and their rather ominous designs upon Taiwan, a country to which they have no legitimate claim, but still.

I mean, they do have a pretty legitimate claim as far as territorial claims can ever be said to be legitimate, but "legitimacy" doesn't really mean anything if the logical consequences of a "legitimate" right being enforced would be a nuclear holocaust and the blood-soaked immolation of at least one prosperous democracy.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:48 pm

Senkaku wrote:Make sure to build plenty of Aerodromes and focus on getting Stealth Technology so you can build Jet Bombers before them-- but make sure to defend your Campuses so their Spies don't steal the tech boost for it from you.


There should be no international students from China allowed into American universities whatsoever. The Chinese Exclusion Act was quite wise immigration policy from my standpoint. It should be clear by now that China is taking the place of what the Soviet Union used to be in terms of a geopolitical adversary. The time for pursuing containment/rollback against China across the entire world is at hand.
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