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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:41 am

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Westarctic wrote:By the way, I have updated the proposal to fit the standards set by WA Resolution GAR #540, and I took out the last bit giving Tinhampton credit for helping me, at his request. Any and all criticism is welcome, thank you all!

For future reference, Tinhampton is not a guy. If you want to use a pronoun, use the females ones when describing her. Just a heads up since she's a WA forum regular.

"Westarctic didn't notice my pronoun badge" doesn't even rank as one of the worst things about this entire thread :P

Westarctic wrote:This thread doesn't seem to be getting to much traction anymore, so I'm considering being finished with the thread, and getting ready to submit my FINAL draft, which, after much consideration and review, I have decided has nothing violating GAR #540. Any more ideas anyone?

Yes, a big idea, and this time you do have my permission to cite Tinhampton as a co-author:
Cognizant that leaving any given individual's bad mental health unnoticed and untreated can cause problems not only for the individual in question, but also for the community that looks after them, and

Recognising that mental disorders and people who have them are real, the World Assembly hereby:
  1. defines:
    1. "mental health" as the mental status of a sapient being,
    2. a "rehabilitation center" as a center for treating people with mental disorders, and
    3. a "mental disorder" as a condition that arises in a person which impairs that person's mental functioning and has the potential to lead to that person seriously harming or killing themselves,
  2. requires member states to:
    1. regularly inspect all rehabilitation centers within their jurisdiction to ensure that their residents are not being mistreated, are not in an unsafe environment, and can eventually be rehabilitated in a successful, orderly and timely manner, and
    2. ensure that said rehabilitation centers take responsibility for any breaches of Article 2a,
  3. requires every primary and secondary school in all member states to hire at least one counselor in order to facilitate conversations with students about their mental health and stop the onset of preventable mental disorders among said students,
  4. requires all employers in member states to guarantee access to counselling and therapy for mental disorders to all of their employees, in the interest of reducing work-related suicides, and
  5. suggests that member states subsidise the development of treatments for mental disorders.

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Postby Daarwyrth » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:17 pm

Westarctic wrote:This thread doesn't seem to be getting to much traction anymore, so I'm considering being finished with the thread, and getting ready to submit my FINAL draft, which, after much consideration and review, I have decided has nothing violating GAR #540. Any more ideas anyone?

OOC: Not getting traction doesn't mean it's ready to submit. You really don't need to rush submission. I would advise to wait a while longer, like a week or two. That way someone might still pop along and offer that critical piece of feedback that was necessary all along.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:52 pm

Daarwyrth wrote:...You really don't need to rush submission...

Except he did.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:04 pm

Westarctic wrote:This thread doesn't seem to be getting to much traction anymore, so I'm considering being finished with the thread, and getting ready to submit my FINAL draft, which, after much consideration and review, I have decided has nothing violating GAR #540. Any more ideas anyone?

Maybe you shouldn't have submitted it just recently. There's no rush to get a proposal submitted; in fact, it's better to wait a few weeks so that you can get more valuable feedback and make sure your draft is fully fleshed-out.
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:08 am

OOC: Does the OP have the most recent draft?
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Postby Westarctic » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:16 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Does the OP have the most recent draft?

yeah, it can be found here: https://ifly6.no-ip.org/wa-proposal/wes ... 616593965/
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:24 am

Westarctic wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Does the OP have the most recent draft?

yeah, it can be found here: *snipped link to somewhere else*

OOC: Post it into the first post of this thread instead. EDIT: I don't click random links, and directing people offsite sounds fishy.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:16 am

Araraukar wrote:
Westarctic wrote:yeah, it can be found here: *snipped link to somewhere else*

OOC: Post it into the first post of this thread instead. EDIT: I don't click random links, and directing people offsite sounds fishy.

ifly6.no-ip.org is a website owned by Imperium Anglorum. The proposal as submitted can be found here.
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Postby Uan aa Boa » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:45 am

I'm offering feedback here following an RMB request. It looks as if this isn't making quorum, so there may well be redrafting anyway.

Westarctic wrote:Showing time and time again that having bad mental health, and leaving it go untreated, can cause problems on both a personal and communal scale.

Is the WA showing that or observing/acknowledging it? And isn't poor mental health a problem on a personal scale by definition? If they're able to do that then why not let them organise their mental health policy without WA interference?

Recognizing the legitimacy of mental health patients and their problem's.

No apostrophe needed there. This is phrased a little awkwardly, or as if we're recognising that the patient's parents are married. Maybe something like "recognising the genuine suffering and hardship experienced by those affected by mental health problems"?

1. Defines: ...

These definitions don't seem very natural or easy to read. I'd recommend looking at some real world definitions to strengthen your ideas.


2. Enacts new changes on a local level to the way that governments handle people with mental-disorders, including:

2.1. Regulating and ensuring that rehabilitation center operators run their facilities properly and efficiently by:

2.1.1. Having regular inspections done on rehabilitation centers by social service workers from the local governments that the rehabilitation centers are located in for maintenance and security reasons, by overseeing and controlling any possible safety violations, mistreatment of patients, etc. The standards for the rehabilitation centers can be set by the national governments and carried out by the local governments of that nation.

OK, but isn't the whole point of the proposal that you actually don't trust national governments to determine an acceptable standard of mental health care?

2.1.2. Ensuring that said rehabilitation centers can successfully rehabilitate a person with any mental-disorder that they take in, in an orderly and timely manner, while also being able to assume responsibility if they fail to do so.

Absolutely not. Despite the best efforts of everyone involved, not everyone recovers. Where progress is made it can be anything but orderly and timely. Don't attempt to make clinicians liable for that.

2.2. Starting early with spotting symptoms of mental-disorders by having schools (primary to high) make sure that school counselors are available and ready to be able to help any child that needs to talk about their problems. Doing this could help eliminate preventable mental-disorders in the future and guarantees that students would have someone to talk to.

OK

2.3. Offering pharmaceutical companies incentives (such as monetary incentives from the WA nation in question) for providing newer, better, and safer medicines and treatments for these mental-disorders.

Subsidising Big Pharma? No.

2.4. Ensuring that businesses provide mental-health services, such as coverage for therapy or counseling with their health benefits for their employees, to help cut down on the rising suicide rate attributed to work-related issues.

Perhaps this assumes too much about the economic structure of member nations. There might not be businesses as such, and treatment might be freely available without depending on employer-provided benefits.

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Postby Westarctic » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:33 am

Thanks! Depending on the status of my proposal, I'll try and add all the advice you gave me!
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:21 pm

Westarctic wrote:Thanks! Depending on the status of my proposal, I'll try and add all the advice you gave me!

You're welcome to submit it again if it doesn't make quorum provided you do more to strengthen your proposal and convince more people to support your cause.
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