Elon Musk becomes new Technoking

[The Troas Sector]

Overthrow a communist dictatorship and make use of the nations lithium? Sounds like a win-win scenario to me, regardless of NSG approval lol

Overthrowing a soc-dem regime, creating a dictatorship in its stead to oppress the people (especially the indigenous) all just to plunder the mineral wealth of the country might be a win-win if you're a despicable, evil fuck.

Man I feel bad for apologizing to that guy for insulting him now knowing what he said.

He sounds like he would make an excellent CIA propagandist and media regime change shill.

[Lamoni]

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[Sparanoda]

Why are there so many conspiracy theorists here? "What is Musk's evil plan as technoking? What could it mean?" Like seriously, my guess is he just realized that he can give himself a cool title, so he did. I would do the same in his position, wouldn't you? Sheesh, if that is what people are complaining about, we REALLY don't have problems.

[Uiiop]

Why are there so many conspiracy theorists here? "What is Musk's evil plan as technoking? What could it mean?" Like seriously, my guess is he just realized that he can give himself a cool title, so he did. I would do the same in his position, wouldn't you? Sheesh, if that is what people are complaining about, we REALLY don't have problems.

More like people are rolling their eyes at this and just shitpositng.

Other than jokes people are just talking about the stupid past shit he did that makes this look pompous not cool.

I like to have cool rich people but Musk ain't one of them.

[Infected Mushroom]

Is Elon Musk a good role model?

[Grenartia]

Is Elon Musk a good role model?

Not really. He's abusive as an employer and as a romantic partner, and also pretty entitled. SpaceX and Tesla would be much better off as cooperatively-run enterprises instead of being the integral parts of some petty blood emerald slave driver heir's empire.

[Infected Mushroom]

Is Elon Musk a good role model?

Not really. He's abusive as an employer and as a romantic partner, and also pretty entitled. SpaceX and Tesla would be much better off as cooperatively-run enterprises instead of being the integral parts of some petty blood emerald slave driver heir's empire.

Oh?

Why emerald? Does that mean green?

[Libertalonia]

oh cool
Wonder why most people here hating on him tho

[Necroghastia]

oh cool
Wonder why most people here hating on him tho

He's abusive as an employer and as a romantic partner, and also pretty entitled. SpaceX and Tesla would be much better off as cooperatively-run enterprises instead of being the integral parts of some petty blood emerald slave driver heir's empire.

[The Troas Sector]

Not really. He's abusive as an employer and as a romantic partner, and also pretty entitled. SpaceX and Tesla would be much better off as cooperatively-run enterprises instead of being the integral parts of some petty blood emerald slave driver heir's empire.

Oh?

Why emerald? Does that mean green?

Elon's family owned an emerald mine in Zambia.

[Ethel mermania]

Is Elon Musk a good role model?

Yes and no.

He has a sense of humor, and he combines his work and play, which pisses off the most corporate of Wall Street and the feds.

He has great vision and has the ability to make his visions come true.

He is quite a bit of an asshole. Which shows up in stuff like his thailand comments.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Is Elon Musk a good role model?

Not really. He's abusive as an employer and as a romantic partner, and also pretty entitled. SpaceX and Tesla would be much better off as cooperatively-run enterprises instead of being the integral parts of some petty blood emerald slave driver heir's empire.

Not really.

Without SpaceX, the US heavy space launch market would be a monopoly: ULA, a collaboration between Lockheed and Boeing. Do you have any particular affection for either of them ..?

And Tesla is a very successful motor company, in the Electric-only niche, in which US major motor corporations have failed (perhaps deliberately) to establish any consistent product line.

If "cooperatively-run enterprises" could have started up and been successful in either of these extremely high-capital industries then ... why didn't they?

Co-operatives are good for a plant nursery, or a house-makeover collective. Labor intensive operations where all workers can plausibly have equal stake in success. They don't scale well, beyond the size they need management, or even someone to answer the phone and do tax-returns.

Why don't they? Because it's absurd to think you could assemble all the specialized workers, designers, accountants long enough to attract a billion or so in capital to build your first prototype. The investor are going to want to see a rocket or a car out of your factory, within a year because you're not Boeing. You don't have the reputation, or the capital-base to borrow and pay back the investors if it goes wrong. It doesn't matter if your prototype rocket blows up on the test-pad, or your car electrocutes a camera-crew (tho that would be expensive). What matters is that you show signs of progress, rather soon by corporate terms.

Sure, workers can own and operate a large-capital-startup business. It might work out alright. But they cannot build such a business from scratch. For that, you need a corporation with deep pockets, a huge government loan, or a rich fuck with big ideas. Maybe you'd rather leave it to Lockheed, Boeing, GM and Toyota?

[Ifreann]

Why are there so many conspiracy theorists here? "What is Musk's evil plan as technoking? What could it mean?" Like seriously, my guess is he just realized that he can give himself a cool title, so he did. I would do the same in his position, wouldn't you? Sheesh, if that is what people are complaining about, we REALLY don't have problems.

Consider reading the thread, people have made a variety of points on the topic of Musk being bad.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

oh cool
Wonder why most people here hating on him tho

Well "techno" is a bit dated, and "king" is plain Unamerican! It's not that Afrikaner either.

[Nea Videssos]

oh cool
Wonder why most people here hating on him tho

Well "techno" is a bit dated, and "king" is plain Unamerican! It's not that Afrikaner either.

Whenever something gets described as "un-American," I assume it's a good thing.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Technobarbarians arose during the age of strife to oppose the Emperor in the Unification Wars.

Now if only the US space force will call their members Space Marines.

[Ifreann]

Technobarbarians arose during the age of strife to oppose the Emperor in the Unification Wars.

Now if only the US space force will call their members Space Marines.

*Spess Mehreens

[Farnhamia]

Technobarbarians arose during the age of strife to oppose the Emperor in the Unification Wars.

Now if only the US space force will call their members Space Marines.

"In space, no one can hear you tell it to the Marines." *nodnod*

[The Troas Sector]

Technobarbarians arose during the age of strife to oppose the Emperor in the Unification Wars.

Now if only the US space force will call their members Space Marines.

*Spess Mehreens

Commander Boreale!

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Well "techno" is a bit dated, and "king" is plain Unamerican! It's not that Afrikaner either.

Whenever something gets described as "un-American," I assume it's a good thing.

I'm trying to rehabilitate the word. The US Constitution is about as American as you can get, in my opinion. Tossup with the Declaration of Independence. There's also Article VI of the Articles of Confederation.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 :
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

There's also this: 13th Amendment which apparently had no expiry date, and could become part of the Constitution with the consent of 26 more States:

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

It doesn't mention deportation, unfortunately. Deporting Musk to his orbiting Tesla Roadster would be an interesting challenge for NASA.

[Grenartia]

Not really. He's abusive as an employer and as a romantic partner, and also pretty entitled. SpaceX and Tesla would be much better off as cooperatively-run enterprises instead of being the integral parts of some petty blood emerald slave driver heir's empire.

Not really.

Without SpaceX, the US heavy space launch market would be a monopoly: ULA, a collaboration between Lockheed and Boeing. Do you have any particular affection for either of them ..?

Hardly.

And Tesla is a very successful motor company, in the Electric-only niche, in which US major motor corporations have failed (perhaps deliberately) to establish any consistent product line.

I.e., a monopoly.

If "cooperatively-run enterprises" could have started up and been successful in either of these extremely high-capital industries then ... why didn't they?

Worker suppression, lack of general knowledge of worker-owned cooperatives and their advantages (due to corporate propaganda in the media), a market environment that isn't conducive to the formation and growth of worker cooperatives, etc., etc.

Co-operatives are good for a plant nursery, or a house-makeover collective. Labor intensive operations where all workers can plausibly have equal stake in success. They don't scale well, beyond the size they need management, or even someone to answer the phone and do tax-returns.

There's no actual reason to believe that.

Why don't they? Because it's absurd to think you could assemble all the specialized workers, designers, accountants long enough to attract a billion or so in capital to build your first prototype. The investor are going to want to see a rocket or a car out of your factory, within a year because you're not Boeing. You don't have the reputation, or the capital-base to borrow and pay back the investors if it goes wrong. It doesn't matter if your prototype rocket blows up on the test-pad, or your car electrocutes a camera-crew (tho that would be expensive). What matters is that you show signs of progress, rather soon by corporate terms.

Such a capitalism-centric way of thinking.

Sure, workers can own and operate a large-capital-startup business. It might work out alright. But they cannot build such a business from scratch.

Only due to current conditions, which have been engineered to that exact purpose by the corporations that rule our world (for now), and the ones that ruled it before.

For that, you need a corporation with deep pockets, a huge government loan, or a rich fuck with big ideas. Maybe you'd rather leave it to Lockheed, Boeing, GM and Toyota?

Do you think worker safety violations are a good deal for the innovations Tesla and SpaceX provide? I sure as fuck don't.

[A-Series-Of-Tubes]

Not really.

Without SpaceX, the US heavy space launch market would be a monopoly: ULA, a collaboration between Lockheed and Boeing. Do you have any particular affection for either of them ..?

Hardly.

And Tesla is a very successful motor company, in the Electric-only niche, in which US major motor corporations have failed (perhaps deliberately) to establish any consistent product line.

I.e., a monopoly.

Tesla is not a monopoly. It just positioned well from the start, as more conservative manufacturers thought performance cars wouldn't sell without the boom and rumble of a big 8 cylinder under the hood.

If "cooperatively-run enterprises" could have started up and been successful in either of these extremely high-capital industries then ... why didn't they?

Worker suppression, lack of general knowledge of worker-owned cooperatives and their advantages (due to corporate propaganda in the media), a market environment that isn't conducive to the formation and growth of worker cooperatives, etc., etc.

There you go, expecting businesses you might compete with to welcome you into the market.

Co-operatives are good for a plant nursery, or a house-makeover collective. Labor intensive operations where all workers can plausibly have equal stake in success. They don't scale well, beyond the size they need management, or even someone to answer the phone and do tax-returns.

There's no actual reason to believe that.

It's just my experience. Worker co-ops stop working effectively when the company NEEDS managers. The votes of employees become advisory since they don't really know what's happening "upstairs".

Why don't they? Because it's absurd to think you could assemble all the specialized workers, designers, accountants long enough to attract a billion or so in capital to build your first prototype. The investor are going to want to see a rocket or a car out of your factory, within a year because you're not Boeing. You don't have the reputation, or the capital-base to borrow and pay back the investors if it goes wrong. It doesn't matter if your prototype rocket blows up on the test-pad, or your car electrocutes a camera-crew (tho that would be expensive). What matters is that you show signs of progress, rather soon by corporate terms.

Such a capitalism-centric way of thinking.

This right here is why cooperatively-run businesses fail. By not starting up in the first place -- particularly for a big-scale business like rockets or cars -- because their ideological purity would be compromised by asking anyone for money.

No investors, no business. If you won't deal with capitalists, then you won't get any capital. Back to the blueberry farm, comrades!

Sure, workers can own and operate a large-capital-startup business. It might work out alright. But they cannot build such a business from scratch.

Only due to current conditions, which have been engineered to that exact purpose by the corporations that rule our world (for now), and the ones that ruled it before.

"Tesla would be much better off as cooperatively-run enterprise" is just fairy farts then. It would be much better, if it was possible, but its not so let's blame Elon Musk for that.

Would be, if it could be = It just plain isn't.

For that, you need a corporation with deep pockets, a huge government loan, or a rich fuck with big ideas. Maybe you'd rather leave it to Lockheed, Boeing, GM and Toyota?

Do you think worker safety violations are a good deal for the innovations Tesla and SpaceX provide? I sure as fuck don't.

Worker safety measures can go too far. When you try to account for every stupid thing a worker might do, you discard the expertise of workers, making their job more boring, and the range of skills required narrower. Then one day you decide it would be cheaper and more efficient to get a robot in.

The level of risk in any job should be known to prospective employees, and the level of medical insurance and if necessary, permanent injury pension should also be reflected in the wage. I would legislate this, with industry 'award' wages scaled up by individual workplace risk.

That is not indifference to the risk of any worker, indeed consistent application to all workers would force logging companies and fishing operators (fleet or captain-owners) to make the working environment of their employees safer. It would be the only way to cut their wage bill (besides greater automation, which in the case of logging would be totally positive: robots doing all the most dangerous jobs is ideal).

You seem to "sure as fuck" know what you're against. How about saying something good about cooperatively-run businesses, like how they could start up in the real world?