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[AT VOTE] Protecting Convicted Voters

Postby Tinhampton » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:05 pm

Last time on Tinhampton's Electoral Adventures... On the 14th of April 2021, Repeal "Voting Equality for Freed Inmates" became GA#549! and I definitely edited the OP of that thread to reflect that fact, honest

GO AND VOTE --- note to self: put what happened to this resolution at vote in this space

This proposal has been submitted to the General Assembly Furtherment of Democracy Board.
NOTE: at 0126 BST on the 2nd of May 2021, this proposal reached quorum with Novum Orientis' approval, the 60th all told.

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Lydia Anderson, former Mayor of Tinhampton and third-in-line to the post of Delegate-Ambassador: This is Tinhampton's proposed replacement for the Bay Staters' resolution on guaranteeing Voting Equality for Freed Inmates, which we are simultaneously drafting a repeal for.
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Protecting Convicted Voters
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.
Category: Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Tinhampton

Believing that those member states which choose to hold democratic elections should refrain from making any person ineligible to take part in those elections simply due to their circumstances, the General Assembly hereby:
  1. requires members to ensure that no person within their jurisdiction is prevented (or otherwise unduly restricted) from voting in a election for public office simply because they currently are being, or have previously been, punished for a crime,
  2. further requires prisons in member states to protect their prisoners from being pressured to vote for or against any candidate or slate of candidates, or to refrain from voting, by any entity in all elections for public office,
  3. mandates that those members which choose to hold elections for public office, but require those voting at said elections to be physically present at a polling station in order to vote, provide adequate polling stations at prisons as to allow all eligible prisoners to vote, and
  4. clarifies that Article a does not mandate that elections for public office be organised in any member state.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:17 pm

"Why limit to those who have been imprisoned? What about those who received punishments not relating to incarceration?

In addition, I'm not sure why nations should be obligated to allow those who attempted to commit electoral fraud should be allowed to partake in democratic processes."
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:21 pm

Mayor emeritus Anderson: Firstly, disenfranchisement for civil offences is seldom a problem and - when it is - largely so disproportionate that I have not heard of any, if any, nations using it. Secondly, Ambassador Hepperle is referred to his colleague from Uan aa Boa's comments during the debate on Voting Equality for Freed Inmates.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:15 am

Against. Prison is a punishment not some resort
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:18 am

Thermodolia wrote:Against. Prison is a punishment not some resort

Anderson: What makes you think that the delivery of a few hundred bits of paper into a prison every four-and-a-bit years will spontaneously cause Super Happy Funny Fun Exciting Times?
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Postby Clarence Thomas » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:28 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Against. Prison is a punishment not some resort

Anderson: What makes you think that the delivery of a few hundred bits of paper into a prison every four-and-a-bit years will spontaneously cause Super Happy Funny Fun Exciting Times?

Notokiwa: My best guess is that the reassurance that you still matter in a democracy is what the Thermodolian delegate believes is like going to a resort.

Notokiwa: I wonder if there's a market for that: resorts where the luxury is that you get to feel assured your vote matters and that you play a role in the direction society is going in.
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Postby Bieberfelde » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:35 am

Sounds interesting.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:46 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Against. Prison is a punishment not some resort

Anderson: What makes you think that the delivery of a few hundred bits of paper into a prison every four-and-a-bit years will spontaneously cause Super Happy Funny Fun Exciting Times?

“What makes you think we use paper ballots? This isn’t the 1800s over here the modern age is here and we use electronic voting systems. Also it’s three not four years.”
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:19 am

OOC: Wasn't this already addressed? Or did that resolution get overturned?
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Postby Bananaistan » Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:25 am

“Entirely opposed as we always are to proposals letting various dictatorships have a say in how elections in other nations are run.”
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:29 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Wasn't this already addressed? Or did that resolution get overturned?

Not on an international scale, at least =p
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:42 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Wasn't this already addressed? Or did that resolution get overturned?

Not on an international scale, at least =p

OOC: Actually it specifically was, but you're trying to repeal the blocker that leaves it up to nations to decide.
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Postby GRHB WA nation » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:44 am

Jail is a punishment. If they are imprisoned they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

However I don't have a problem with allowing freed prisoners to vote

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Postby Jedinsto » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:47 am

GRHB WA nation wrote:Jail is a punishment. If they are imprisoned they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

However I don't have a problem with allowing freed prisoners to vote

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Postby Ardiveds » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:10 am

"Opposed. We do support this in case of minor criminals but we can't allow mass murderers and rapists to vote, atleast until they have done their sentences."
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Postby Clarence Thomas » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:21 pm

Bananaistan wrote:“Entirely opposed as we always are to proposals letting various dictatorships have a say in how elections in other nations are run.”

Notokiwa: (surprised) Do you often get dictatorial delegations in these chambers? I realize they're among the membership, but I haven't seen them actually writing any of these resolutions and having the 'say' you speak of.
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Postby Ardiveds » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:06 pm

Clarence Thomas wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:“Entirely opposed as we always are to proposals letting various dictatorships have a say in how elections in other nations are run.”

Notokiwa: (surprised) Do you often get dictatorial delegations in these chambers? I realize they're among the membership, but I haven't seen them actually writing any of these resolutions and having the 'say' you speak of.

"Ambassador, they vote on these proposals like the rest of us. If you consider "having a say" as personally influencing the wording of a proposal, then the vast majority of member nations do not have a say on these proposals."
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Postby Barfleur » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:19 pm

"Opposed. It would be absurd to allow a person who is incarcerated for electoral fraud, bribery of public officials, or bombing electoral precincts to have a say in the very system they tried to corrupt and abuse before they have repaid their debt to society. Once a person has been released, of course, that debt is repaid and they should be entitled to the same rights that everyone else has in that nation, including the right to vote."
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:31 pm

Ardiveds wrote:"Opposed. We do support this in case of minor criminals but we can't allow mass murderers and rapists to vote, atleast until they have done their sentences."


"Curious, ambassador: do you then prevent your nation's leaders and military officers from casting ballots? If so, I salute your moral consistency!"
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Postby Ardiveds » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:43 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:"Opposed. We do support this in case of minor criminals but we can't allow mass murderers and rapists to vote, atleast until they have done their sentences."


"Curious, ambassador: do you then prevent your nation's leaders and military officers from casting ballots? If so, I salute your moral consistency!"

"Ambassador, would you care to elaborate?"
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:35 am

Ardiveds wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
"Curious, ambassador: do you then prevent your nation's leaders and military officers from casting ballots? If so, I salute your moral consistency!"

"Ambassador, would you care to elaborate?"

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Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Ardiveds wrote:"Opposed. We do support this in case of minor criminals but we can't allow mass murderers and rapists to vote, atleast until they have done their sentences."


"Curious, ambassador: do you then prevent your nation's leaders and military officers from casting ballots? If so, I salute your moral consistency!"

“Only if they have been convicted. As we aren’t some backwards backwater dictatorship that removes the right to vote for the hell of it.

Though in Thermodolia no prisoner gets to vote while in prison. Murder or not”
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:18 pm

Badwebsite wrote:I really don't know how people get this stuff from? :?:

Refer to the OP of my repeal thread :P

this post also serves as a bump, LOL
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 am

Tinhampton wrote:Mayor emeritus Anderson: Firstly, disenfranchisement for civil offences is seldom a problem and - when it is - largely so disproportionate that I have not heard of any, if any, nations using it. Secondly, Ambassador Hepperle is referred to his colleague from Uan aa Boa's comments during the debate on Voting Equality for Freed Inmates.


With a sardonic smirk at using the line, Iulia spoke into the microphone, "We believe, Mr. Anderson, that the 'honorable' representative from Honeydewistania was referencing that it is entirely possible to have a criminal offence that is not punished through imprisonment. Surely you have heard of diversion programs, probation, fines, restitution, shunning, and other such measures. Let us posit: while we would normally impose imprisonment and loss of voting rights for electoral fraud, we might respond to the passage of your proposal by removing the imposition of imprisonment and instead impose a fine along with disenfranchisement. This does not violate the text of your proposal. Then let us posit that we set the fine at a high enough amount that its payment is impractical and charge and convict the person for failure to pay the fine (a separate criminal offence). They are still disenfranchised (as their imprisonment now has nothing to do with their voting rights) and disenfranchised (by virtue of conviction of a crime that is not itself punished by incarceration).

Is that more trouble than our government would like to go through to achieve its legitimate interest in barring the wrong kind of persons from voting, yes. Would we do it if forced to, also yes."
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