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Repeal: SC #2 (draft)

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Repeal: SC #2 (draft)

Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:29 pm

RECOGNIZING the player of Kandarin as a leader in various aspects of NationStates.

OBSERVING his tireless efforts in maintaining order, stability, and leadership in a "collecting" region without means of ejecting or banning the competition.

VIEWING his knowledge, teaching, and leadership in NationStates roleplay, in both in character and out of character aspects, for off-site and on-site forums.

OFFICALLY praises the player behind the nation of Kandarin and recognizes his achievements with a commendation from the World Assembly.




The World Assembly,
ACKNOWLEDGING the contributions made by Kandarin towards the international order,

ACKNOWLEDGING the work put forth by Kandarin's delegates towards establishing a more just society,

ACKNOWLEDGING the wisdom of Kandarin's leaders,

ACKNOWLEDGING the historical significance of SC 2 as one of the initial stepping stones of the Security Council,

However OBJECTING to the impropriety of SC 2's personification of a nation,

OBJECTING to the impropriety of SC 2's utilization of third-person pronouns,

BELIEVING that declining to eject competition should be the standard, and therefore not commendable material,

OBSERVING that SC 2 contains virtually nothing of substance,

CONCERNED that SC 2 falls short of detailing specific conduct warranting a commendation,

ACKNOWLEDGING that much of Kandarin's work was more than commendable, but that the conduct highlighted is both excessively broad and not representative of Kandarin's commendable actions, and

ACKNOWLEDGING that the aforementioned failure to detail commendable conduct defeats the point of a commendation, which is to acknowledge and record significant contributions for posterity,


Hereby repeals Security Council Resolution 2.
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Postby Comfed » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:36 pm

I'd rather not spend 3 1/2 days trying to repeal a resolution because the rules were different in 2009.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:37 pm

Opposed because this repeal draft solely concentrates on the fact that SC2 would be illegal today. It doesn't make any persuasive arguments as to why Kandarin's commendation should be repealed.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:37 pm

Now this is what I call a badge hunt.

Is that all you’ve got? Because it’s not very good and the original Commendation was completely legal. Therefore, there was no impropriety.

Do try harder.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:39 pm

Nod to all three; except I do think the usage of him/his pronouns is a bit of an issue for me. Also, the resolution does not border on providing specifics as to what Kandarin did back then, is that repeal-able criteria?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:41 pm

KIDS Country wrote:Nod to all three; except I do think the usage of him/his pronouns is a bit of an issue for me.

I suggest if you want to continue with this draft, then you should not focus on that it would be illegal today as it would be extremely pointless, but on why Kandarin's accomplishments don't quite match up to what a commendation should be.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:41 pm

KIDS Country wrote:Nod to all three; except I do think the usage of him/his pronouns is a bit of an issue for me.

Well that’s just your opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

Basically your draft hasn’t got a leg to stand on.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:42 pm

Opposed, SC #2 is not repealable.
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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:42 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
KIDS Country wrote:Nod to all three; except I do think the usage of him/his pronouns is a bit of an issue for me.

Well that’s just your opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

Basically your draft hasn’t got a leg to stand on.


In that case, is the ambiguity of the resolution a functional base to stand off of? I flipped around for a while in the historical archives and I couldn't find too much on the details of this resolution

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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:43 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:Opposed, SC #2 is not repealable.

Rationale? SC #1 was

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:49 pm

KIDS Country wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:Opposed, SC #2 is not repealable.

Rationale? SC #1 was

That was because SC #1 was replaced with SC #269, which included more than SC #1. Also, Macedon was inactive at the time of SC #269/271.
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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:50 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
KIDS Country wrote:Rationale? SC #1 was

That was because SC #1 was replaced with SC #269, which included more than SC #1. Also, Macedon was inactive at the time of SC #269/271.

That doesn't offer a rationale as to why SC #2 cannot be repealed.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:51 pm

KIDS Country wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:That was because SC #1 was replaced with SC #269, which included more than SC #1. Also, Macedon was inactive at the time of SC #269/271.

That doesn't offer a rationale as to why SC #2 cannot be repealed.

If all you can offer is that SC2 should be repealed because it's illegal today, then I'm sorry to say you don't have much.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:52 pm

KIDS Country wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:That was because SC #1 was replaced with SC #269, which included more than SC #1. Also, Macedon was inactive at the time of SC #269/271.

That doesn't offer a rationale as to why SC #2 cannot be repealed.

SC #2 isn't repealed because SC #1-10 all aren't repealed. Plus, your repeal kinda skirts along the line of a 4th wall break.
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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:53 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
KIDS Country wrote:That doesn't offer a rationale as to why SC #2 cannot be repealed.

SC #2 isn't repealed because SC #1-10 all aren't repealed. Plus, your repeal kinda skirts along the line of a 4th wall break.


Under that logic, no SC resolution can be repealed because that would leave other resolutions unrepealed.

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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:54 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
KIDS Country wrote:That doesn't offer a rationale as to why SC #2 cannot be repealed.

If all you can offer is that SC2 should be repealed because it's illegal today, then I'm sorry to say you don't have much.



Changed it up a little. I think I added a bit more, like the ambiguity, and how accepting competition should be the norm and therefore is not commendable

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:55 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
KIDS Country wrote:That doesn't offer a rationale as to why SC #2 cannot be repealed.

SC #2 isn't repealed because SC #1-10 all aren't repealed. Plus, your repeal kinda skirts along the line of a 4th wall break.

Really? Do enlighten us.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:56 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:SC #2 isn't repealed because SC #1-10 all aren't repealed. Plus, your repeal kinda skirts along the line of a 4th wall break.

Really? Do enlighten us.

However OBJECTING to the impropriety of SCR 2's personification of a nation,

OBJECTING to the impropriety of SCR 2's utilization of third-person pronouns,

This doesn't seem right from an IC POV.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Really? Do enlighten us.

However OBJECTING to the impropriety of SCR 2's personification of a nation,

OBJECTING to the impropriety of SCR 2's utilization of third-person pronouns,

This doesn't seem right from an IC POV.

A repeal should address the contents of the original resolution. The original resolution contains both of the points the OP has raised. Not sure how you think that’s against R2.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Crowheim » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:07 pm

No.
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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:08 pm

Crowheim wrote:No.

With all due respect, you aren't even on the WA.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:09 pm

KIDS Country wrote:
Crowheim wrote:No.

With all due respect, you aren't even on the WA.

I mean Crowheim did author a resolution so they were once in the WA and have WA expertise.
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Postby Comfed » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:10 pm

KIDS Country wrote:
Crowheim wrote:No.

With all due respect, you aren't even on the WA.

It is possible that they are a member of the Rejected Realms Army and do not put their WA in TRR all the time.

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Postby KIDS Country » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:11 pm

Comfed wrote:
KIDS Country wrote:With all due respect, you aren't even on the WA.

It is possible that they are a member of the Rejected Realms Army and do not put their WA in TRR all the time.

Makes sense. In any case I must admit I can't do much with two letters.

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Postby Crowheim » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:12 pm

KIDS Country wrote:
Crowheim wrote:No.

With all due respect, you aren't even on the WA.

With all due respect, I have several dozen accounts, do you not think one of them is in the WA?

And both Comfed and Outer Sparta are correct.
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