Egypt Plans to Remove Qur’ân From Curriculum

[Punished UMN]

Salus, you kind of OOF'd yourself here.

Normally I'm all for sticking it to anti-theists but you're acting like someone being part of an anti-Catholic and white supremacist hate group and domestic terrorist organization like the KKK or a state-sanctioned terrorist organization with a direct link to war crimes, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and general crimes against humanity like the Waffen-SS can't in and of itself be used to judge that person.

Which is fucking ridiculous. I can and will judge anyone belonging to these two groups for belonging to said groups. They made the conscious choice to join them and adopt their hateful spiel and unrestrained violence.

Are you for summarily executing members of the KKK and SS, then? Assuming that every individual in the group are directly responsible for the worst things their group does?

Being a member of the SS is already a crime under international law under which someone could face a number of penalties. The SS is quite a bit different from the KKK, because the SS was the group centrally directed and responsible for the operation of the Holocaust, and that was the reason for its existence. The SS did not exist to do anything other than maintaining Nazi power and implementing Nazi policy.

[Salus Maior]

Are you for summarily executing members of the KKK and SS, then? Assuming that every individual in the group are directly responsible for the worst things their group does?

Being a member of the SS is already a crime under international law under which someone could face a number of penalties. The SS is quite a bit different from the KKK, because the SS was the group centrally directed and responsible for the operation of the Holocaust, and that was the reason for its existence. The SS did not exist to do anything other than maintaining Nazi power and implementing Nazi policy.

I'm not arguing against that.

My point is that individuals are judged separately, according to things they've actually done.

[Senkaku]

Being a member of the SS is already a crime under international law under which someone could face a number of penalties. The SS is quite a bit different from the KKK, because the SS was the group centrally directed and responsible for the operation of the Holocaust, and that was the reason for its existence. The SS did not exist to do anything other than maintaining Nazi power and implementing Nazi policy.

I'm not arguing against that.

My point is that individuals are judged separately, according to things they've actually done.

A compelling argument against summarily executing people, maybe, but not really the strongest case against social/moral judgement or personal antipathy towards people self-identifying as members of explicitly ideological groups that you oppose.

Trollzyn said he'd judge someone for membership in the KKK or the SS, not that he would kill them on the spot. You're indulging in some pretty absurd hyperbole.

[Shu Chengdu]

Good, to echo others. Religious beliefs don’t belong in an educational classroom. It’s one thing for reference it’s another to indoctrinate.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not arguing against that.

My point is that individuals are judged separately, according to things they've actually done.

A compelling argument against summarily executing people, maybe, but not really the strongest case against social/moral judgement or personal antipathy towards people self-identifying as members of explicitly ideological groups that you oppose.

Trollzyn said he'd judge someone for membership in the KKK or the SS, not that he would kill them on the spot. You're indulging in some pretty absurd hyperbole.

Considering the original discussion was between me and someone who thinks genocide is fine if against the religious I’m not being hypobolic.