I belive that the Xinjiang genocide exists, I must save them.
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by Sykar Socialist » Wed May 12, 2021 3:45 am
by Sykar Socialist » Wed May 12, 2021 3:46 am
by Sykar Socialist » Wed May 12, 2021 3:56 am
by CalaisDenmark » Sat May 15, 2021 1:16 am
by Free East Turkeystein » Sun May 23, 2021 10:20 pm
by FutureAmerica » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:11 pm
by The Infamous Glare » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:24 am
by Kubra » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:50 am
what, you mean Singapore?The Infamous Glare wrote:And to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish.
by Sherechia » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:21 am
The Infamous Glare wrote:Sounds like ongoing preach on how China is morally evil... I see China as a way in advancing the people's wealth.
I don't care who represents what in China. But whenever I see some poor justification on liberating this and that, you lose your credit. Britain's relationship with China might have been unequal, but it was entirely centered around the fact that a) China's sole use to Britain was for trade, and b) China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Conquering Tibet from the Chinese would have taken an extreme level of commitment to screwing over the Chinese that would ultimately not payout. To this day, Tibet is a frozen rocky wasteland that is only useful for its geostrategic value as the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Add to this the British would have to find a way to reliably maintain a land connection to a plateau on the opposite side of the largest and tallest mountain range in the world. There's a good reason the Tibetan expedition was called off.
Adding further, Tibet was never actually independent and they'll admit it themselves. Even after the breakup of China in the warlords period, Tibet had Chinese administrators. Tibet tried to declare independence after the nationalists fled to Taiwan but the PLA crushed them for a good reason. Tibet is actually more integrated into China than Xinjiang. Just accept it, they'll likely never be independent again for a good reason as I said. Giving Tibet its "borders" is just buying into Tibetan propaganda. Yes, there are Tibetans living in those borders, no, they are far from the majority.
Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. It isn't legitimate or recognized China anymore and to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish. But hey, here are my 50 cents for you. As for 'East Turkestan', if you gave them the westernmost tip of Xinjiang, that would be about 80% of the Uyghur population solved right there.
Take a step back and look at the surrounding circumstances of Xinjiang. Uyghurs are a majority of the province, but they are only a majority by the slimmest of margins. The second-largest ethnic organization is only a few percentage points below the Uyghurs and that's the Han Chinese. I
If you count the Hui Chinese as well alongside the Han then you have a Han majority and an Uyghur minority in the province. When thinking over the region's problems, I'm drawn to the comparison with Chechnya, a regional populace that through religious and cultural bonds committed acts of violent terrorism in the name of independence.
The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:37 am
Sherechia wrote: Taiwan doesn't want to be with the CCP, just leave them alone and let them do their own thing.
by Picairn » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:48 am
The Infamous Glare wrote:The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.
by Page » Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:31 am
The Infamous Glare wrote:Sounds like ongoing preach on how China is morally evil... I see China as a way in advancing the people's wealth.
I don't care who represents what in China. But whenever I see some poor justification on liberating this and that, you lose your credit. Britain's relationship with China might have been unequal, but it was entirely centered around the fact that a) China's sole use to Britain was for trade, and b) China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Conquering Tibet from the Chinese would have taken an extreme level of commitment to screwing over the Chinese that would ultimately not payout. To this day, Tibet is a frozen rocky wasteland that is only useful for its geostrategic value as the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Add to this the British would have to find a way to reliably maintain a land connection to a plateau on the opposite side of the largest and tallest mountain range in the world. There's a good reason the Tibetan expedition was called off.
Adding further, Tibet was never actually independent and they'll admit it themselves. Even after the breakup of China in the warlords period, Tibet had Chinese administrators. Tibet tried to declare independence after the nationalists fled to Taiwan but the PLA crushed them for a good reason. Tibet is actually more integrated into China than Xinjiang. Just accept it, they'll likely never be independent again for a good reason as I said. Giving Tibet its "borders" is just buying into Tibetan propaganda. Yes, there are Tibetans living in those borders, no, they are far from the majority.
Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. It isn't legitimate or recognized China anymore and to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish. But hey, here are my 50 cents for you. As for 'East Turkestan', if you gave them the westernmost tip of Xinjiang, that would be about 80% of the Uyghur population solved right there.
Take a step back and look at the surrounding circumstances of Xinjiang. Uyghurs are a majority of the province, but they are only a majority by the slimmest of margins. The second-largest ethnic organization is only a few percentage points below the Uyghurs and that's the Han Chinese. I
If you count the Hui Chinese as well alongside the Han then you have a Han majority and an Uyghur minority in the province. When thinking over the region's problems, I'm drawn to the comparison with Chechnya, a regional populace that through religious and cultural bonds committed acts of violent terrorism in the name of independence.
The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.
by Northern Connecticut » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:11 pm
by Sungoldy-China » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:35 pm
by Just-An-Illusion » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:20 pm
Sungoldy-China wrote:It would be great if CCP can do what the Western media propaganda.
by Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:38 am
Sungoldy-China wrote:It would be great if CCP can do what the Western media propaganda.
by Atheris » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:40 am
Sungoldy-China wrote:It would be great if CCP can do what the Western media propaganda.
by Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:41 am
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:43 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:So the western leftist now think CCP is based even though they are comitting Genocide?
by Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 am
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:47 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:I.... don't even know how to respond to that. I think you were being sarcastic. I hope you were.
by Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:49 am
by Sykar Socialist » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:35 pm
Northern Connecticut wrote:CCP is very in the wrong. They are committing a genocide in Xinxiang right now.
by Sykar Socialist » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:52 pm
The Infamous Glare wrote:Sounds like ongoing preach on how China is morally evil... I see China as a way in advancing the people's wealth.
I don't care who represents what in China. But whenever I see some poor justification on liberating this and that, you lose your credit. Britain's relationship with China might have been unequal, but it was entirely centered around the fact that a) China's sole use to Britain was for trade, and b) China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Conquering Tibet from the Chinese would have taken an extreme level of commitment to screwing over the Chinese that would ultimately not payout. To this day, Tibet is a frozen rocky wasteland that is only useful for its geostrategic value as the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Add to this the British would have to find a way to reliably maintain a land connection to a plateau on the opposite side of the largest and tallest mountain range in the world. There's a good reason the Tibetan expedition was called off.
Adding further, Tibet was never actually independent and they'll admit it themselves. Even after the breakup of China in the warlords period, Tibet had Chinese administrators. Tibet tried to declare independence after the nationalists fled to Taiwan but the PLA crushed them for a good reason. Tibet is actually more integrated into China than Xinjiang. Just accept it, they'll likely never be independent again for a good reason as I said. Giving Tibet its "borders" is just buying into Tibetan propaganda. Yes, there are Tibetans living in those borders, no, they are far from the majority.
Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. It isn't legitimate or recognized China anymore and to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish. But hey, here are my 50 cents for you. As for 'East Turkestan', if you gave them the westernmost tip of Xinjiang, that would be about 80% of the Uyghur population solved right there.
Take a step back and look at the surrounding circumstances of Xinjiang. Uyghurs are a majority of the province, but they are only a majority by the slimmest of margins. The second-largest ethnic organization is only a few percentage points below the Uyghurs and that's the Han Chinese. I
If you count the Hui Chinese as well alongside the Han then you have a Han majority and an Uyghur minority in the province. When thinking over the region's problems, I'm drawn to the comparison with Chechnya, a regional populace that through religious and cultural bonds committed acts of violent terrorism in the name of independence.
The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.
by Atheris » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:40 am
Northern Connecticut wrote:So the western leftist now think CCP is based even though they are comitting Genocide?
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