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I think that the CCP:

Is right about everything
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4%
Is more often right than wrong
71
10%
Is more often wrong than right
359
52%
Is always in the wrong
230
33%
 
Total votes : 689

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Postby Sykar Socialist » Wed May 12, 2021 3:45 am

Orostan wrote:
New Jacobland wrote:Yet Sykar Socialist denies that the Xinjiang genocide exists.

it is good to hear that sykar knows propaganda when he sees it.

I belive that the Xinjiang genocide exists, I must save them.

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Postby Sykar Socialist » Wed May 12, 2021 3:46 am

Rusozak wrote:
Orostan wrote:it is good to hear that sykar knows propaganda when he sees it.


There's a negative historical connotation with dismissing genocide allegations as "propaganda."

I belive that the Xinjiang genocide exists, I must save them.

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Postby Sykar Socialist » Wed May 12, 2021 3:56 am

An important thing
I belive that the Xinjiang genocide exists, I must save them.
In CCP's "Democracy", Hundred millions of people died, and too many peoples family broken. Chinese, Tibet, Ughuer, Who anti "Communists" will in jail, even die. Hope China will be Democracy, it is only way to save China.

Quit the CCP to save lives.

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Bad Communists part 1

Postby CalaisDenmark » Sat May 15, 2021 1:16 am

陰謀加陽謀 文革批鬥
過二千萬 死了也不說
世上最血腥的政權
就要鬥上我 我不屈從 向誰求救
怎麼會有血腥的政權
屠殺殺到我 算我衰
八萬萬人口 生死未卜
被鬥死都是中共的錯
文革大批鬥 吃到人肉 破戒是否
誰來救救我 自由自由

Inmou to add Yangmou Cultural Revolution criticism
Over 20 million, don't tell me if I die
The bloodiest regime in the world
I'm going to fight against me, I won't succumb
How can there be a bloody regime
Slaughter me, count me as bad
800 million people live or die unknown
It's the CCP's fault to be killed
Mass fighting during the Cultural Revolution and eating human flesh
Who will save me, democracy and freedom


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The most sadly story on world

Postby Free East Turkeystein » Sun May 23, 2021 10:20 pm

This is an event that happened ten years ago
Although the content is fictitious, it is happening all the time

A three-year-old girl named Annie, she is a Uighur woman
There are five brothers and sisters
She used to live a happy life with her family
Until one day...
A policeman broke into the house
Annie and her brothers and sisters hid
He fired a shot first and shot Anne's grandfather to death
Then, he shot Anne's grandma to death
Annie's father grabbed the gun and released his wolf.
The wolf went into a fierce attack and bit the policeman's thigh.
But the police picked up the baton and wanted to beat the wolf, but he hit Dad
My father fell to the ground and vomited blood, and the police captured my mother and aunt.
The police went back like this, and my father died of excessive blood loss. He told everyone to run away.
And we must wait for the sun (democracy) to rise before we can come back.
They buried their dead family
Then he ran away on the wolf without looking back.
To this day, they still don’t come back

Until now, this kind of thing has been happening in Xinjiang
May Allah Bless them.
بۇ ئون يىل ئىلگىرى يۈز بەرگەن بىر ۋەقە
گەرچە مەزمۇن ئويدۇرما بولسىمۇ ، ئەمما ئۇ ئىزچىل يۈز بېرىپ تۇرىدۇ

ئەننىي ئىسىملىك ​​ئۈچ ياشلىق قىز ، ئۇ ئۇيغۇر ئايال
بەش ئاكا-ئۇكا بار
ئۇ ئىلگىرى ئائىلىسىدىكىلەر بىلەن بەختلىك تۇرمۇش كەچۈرەتتى
بىر كۈنگىچە ...
بىر ساقچى ئۆيگە بۆسۈپ كىرگەن
ئەننى ۋە ئۇنىڭ ئىنى-سىڭىللىرى يوشۇرۇندى
ئۇ ئالدى بىلەن ئوق چىقىرىپ ، ئاننىنىڭ بوۋىسىنى ئېتىپ ئۆلتۈردى
ئاندىن ، ئۇ ئاننىنىڭ مومىسىنى ئېتىۋەتكەن
ئەننىنىڭ دادىسى مىلتىقنى ئېلىپ بۆرىنى قويۇپ بەرگەن.
بۆرە قاتتىق ھۇجۇمغا ئۆتۈپ ، ساقچىنىڭ يوتىسىنى چىشلىدى.
ئەمما ساقچىلار كالتەكنى ئېلىپ بۆرىنى ئۇرماقچى بولغان ، ئەمما ئۇ دادامنى ئۇرغان
دادام يەرگە يىقىلىپ قان قۇستى ، ساقچىلار ئاپام بىلەن ئاچامنى تۇتتى.
ساقچىلار مۇشۇنداق قايتىپ كەتتى ، دادام قاننى كۆپ يوقىتىپ قازا قىلدى ، ئۇ كۆپچىلىككە قېچىشنى ئېيتتى.
بىز قايتىپ كېلىشتىن بۇرۇن چوقۇم قۇياش (دېموكراتىيە) نىڭ چىقىشىنى ساقلىشىمىز كېرەك.
ئۇلار ئۆلۈپ كەتكەن ئائىلىسىنى دەپنە قىلدى
ئاندىن كەينىگە قارىمايلا بۆرىگە قېچىپ كەتتى.
بۈگۈنگە قەدەر ئۇلار يەنىلا قايتىپ كەلمەيدۇ

ھازىرغا قەدەر ، بۇ خىل ئەھۋال شىنجاڭدا يۈز بېرىۋاتىدۇ
ئاللاھ ئۇلارغا بەخت ئاتا قىلسۇن.
這是一個在十年前發生的事
雖然內容是虛構的,但它一直在發生

一名三歲的小女孩,她叫做安妮,她是維族女子
有五個兄弟姊妹
她曾經和家人過著幸福的生活
直到某天......
一名公安闖了進來屋子
安妮和兄弟姊妹便躲了起來
他首先開了一槍,射死了安妮的爺爺
接著,又射死了安妮的奶奶
安妮的爸爸奪過了槍,放出了他養的狼。
狼進入猛攻狀態,咬傷了公安的大腿。
但警察拿起警棍,想要打狼,但打到了爸爸
爸爸倒地吐血,而公安抓走了媽媽和阿姨。
公安就如此回去,爸爸因失血過多而死,他囑咐大家趕快逃走
且一定要等太陽(民主)升起才能回來。
他們把死掉的家人埋了
然後不回頭的騎著狼跑了。
時至今日,他們依舊不回來

到現在,這種事一直一直在新疆上演
願真主阿拉能夠保佑他們。

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Postby FutureAmerica » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:11 pm

The CCP has served its purpose to unite China, but in the 21st century it's legitimacy is in danger. They had to allow market economics and foreign investment to catch up to the West, but Xi is now reversing China's progress to China's detriment. China is doomed under Xi.

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Postby The Infamous Glare » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:24 am

Sounds like ongoing preach on how China is morally evil... I see China as a way in advancing the people's wealth.

I don't care who represents what in China. But whenever I see some poor justification on liberating this and that, you lose your credit. Britain's relationship with China might have been unequal, but it was entirely centered around the fact that a) China's sole use to Britain was for trade, and b) China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Conquering Tibet from the Chinese would have taken an extreme level of commitment to screwing over the Chinese that would ultimately not payout. To this day, Tibet is a frozen rocky wasteland that is only useful for its geostrategic value as the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Add to this the British would have to find a way to reliably maintain a land connection to a plateau on the opposite side of the largest and tallest mountain range in the world. There's a good reason the Tibetan expedition was called off.

Adding further, Tibet was never actually independent and they'll admit it themselves. Even after the breakup of China in the warlords period, Tibet had Chinese administrators. Tibet tried to declare independence after the nationalists fled to Taiwan but the PLA crushed them for a good reason. Tibet is actually more integrated into China than Xinjiang. Just accept it, they'll likely never be independent again for a good reason as I said. Giving Tibet its "borders" is just buying into Tibetan propaganda. Yes, there are Tibetans living in those borders, no, they are far from the majority.

Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. It isn't legitimate or recognized China anymore and to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish. But hey, here are my 50 cents for you. As for 'East Turkestan', if you gave them the westernmost tip of Xinjiang, that would be about 80% of the Uyghur population solved right there.

Take a step back and look at the surrounding circumstances of Xinjiang. Uyghurs are a majority of the province, but they are only a majority by the slimmest of margins. The second-largest ethnic organization is only a few percentage points below the Uyghurs and that's the Han Chinese. I

If you count the Hui Chinese as well alongside the Han then you have a Han majority and an Uyghur minority in the province. When thinking over the region's problems, I'm drawn to the comparison with Chechnya, a regional populace that through religious and cultural bonds committed acts of violent terrorism in the name of independence.

The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:50 am

The Infamous Glare wrote:And to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish.
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Postby Sherechia » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:21 am

The Infamous Glare wrote:Sounds like ongoing preach on how China is morally evil... I see China as a way in advancing the people's wealth.

I don't care who represents what in China. But whenever I see some poor justification on liberating this and that, you lose your credit. Britain's relationship with China might have been unequal, but it was entirely centered around the fact that a) China's sole use to Britain was for trade, and b) China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Conquering Tibet from the Chinese would have taken an extreme level of commitment to screwing over the Chinese that would ultimately not payout. To this day, Tibet is a frozen rocky wasteland that is only useful for its geostrategic value as the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Add to this the British would have to find a way to reliably maintain a land connection to a plateau on the opposite side of the largest and tallest mountain range in the world. There's a good reason the Tibetan expedition was called off.

Adding further, Tibet was never actually independent and they'll admit it themselves. Even after the breakup of China in the warlords period, Tibet had Chinese administrators. Tibet tried to declare independence after the nationalists fled to Taiwan but the PLA crushed them for a good reason. Tibet is actually more integrated into China than Xinjiang. Just accept it, they'll likely never be independent again for a good reason as I said. Giving Tibet its "borders" is just buying into Tibetan propaganda. Yes, there are Tibetans living in those borders, no, they are far from the majority.

Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. It isn't legitimate or recognized China anymore and to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish. But hey, here are my 50 cents for you. As for 'East Turkestan', if you gave them the westernmost tip of Xinjiang, that would be about 80% of the Uyghur population solved right there.

Take a step back and look at the surrounding circumstances of Xinjiang. Uyghurs are a majority of the province, but they are only a majority by the slimmest of margins. The second-largest ethnic organization is only a few percentage points below the Uyghurs and that's the Han Chinese. I

If you count the Hui Chinese as well alongside the Han then you have a Han majority and an Uyghur minority in the province. When thinking over the region's problems, I'm drawn to the comparison with Chechnya, a regional populace that through religious and cultural bonds committed acts of violent terrorism in the name of independence.

The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.

I partially agree with you, China has developed a lot under the CCP, but Taiwan doesn't want to be with the CCP, just leave them alone and let them do their own thing.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:37 am

Sherechia wrote: Taiwan doesn't want to be with the CCP, just leave them alone and let them do their own thing.

Don't you know self-determination is only ok when the Peking regime graciously grants people such permission by imperial proclamation?
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:48 am

The Infamous Glare wrote:The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.

I have seen advertisements less blatant than this idealistic whitewashing of the genocide.
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The Infamous Glare wrote:Sounds like ongoing preach on how China is morally evil... I see China as a way in advancing the people's wealth.

I don't care who represents what in China. But whenever I see some poor justification on liberating this and that, you lose your credit. Britain's relationship with China might have been unequal, but it was entirely centered around the fact that a) China's sole use to Britain was for trade, and b) China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Conquering Tibet from the Chinese would have taken an extreme level of commitment to screwing over the Chinese that would ultimately not payout. To this day, Tibet is a frozen rocky wasteland that is only useful for its geostrategic value as the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Add to this the British would have to find a way to reliably maintain a land connection to a plateau on the opposite side of the largest and tallest mountain range in the world. There's a good reason the Tibetan expedition was called off.

Adding further, Tibet was never actually independent and they'll admit it themselves. Even after the breakup of China in the warlords period, Tibet had Chinese administrators. Tibet tried to declare independence after the nationalists fled to Taiwan but the PLA crushed them for a good reason. Tibet is actually more integrated into China than Xinjiang. Just accept it, they'll likely never be independent again for a good reason as I said. Giving Tibet its "borders" is just buying into Tibetan propaganda. Yes, there are Tibetans living in those borders, no, they are far from the majority.

Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. It isn't legitimate or recognized China anymore and to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish. But hey, here are my 50 cents for you. As for 'East Turkestan', if you gave them the westernmost tip of Xinjiang, that would be about 80% of the Uyghur population solved right there.

Take a step back and look at the surrounding circumstances of Xinjiang. Uyghurs are a majority of the province, but they are only a majority by the slimmest of margins. The second-largest ethnic organization is only a few percentage points below the Uyghurs and that's the Han Chinese. I

If you count the Hui Chinese as well alongside the Han then you have a Han majority and an Uyghur minority in the province. When thinking over the region's problems, I'm drawn to the comparison with Chechnya, a regional populace that through religious and cultural bonds committed acts of violent terrorism in the name of independence.

The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.


Are you seriously going to pretend that vocational center means vocational center and not a euphemism for prison? THEY'RE PRISONS. Even that pictures that Chinese government doesn't mind being out there clearly show they are prisons.

Find me a single trade school outside of China where people wear uniforms and are kept inside by razor wire fences and armed guards.
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Postby Northern Connecticut » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:11 pm

CCP is very in the wrong. They are committing a genocide in Xinxiang right now.
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Postby Sungoldy-China » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:35 pm

It would be great if CCP can do what the Western media propaganda.
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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:20 pm

Sungoldy-China wrote:It would be great if CCP can do what the Western media propaganda.


So you want them to genocide the Uyghur population?
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Postby Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:38 am

Sungoldy-China wrote:It would be great if CCP can do what the Western media propaganda.


Genocide is wrong pal. Im not sure why you would say that.
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Postby Atheris » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:40 am

Sungoldy-China wrote:It would be great if CCP can do what the Western media propaganda.

virgin "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT THE UYGHUR AND TIBETAN AND MONGOLIAN GENOCIDES!!!" vs the chad "it's not happening but i wish it was"
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Postby Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:41 am

So the western leftist now think CCP is based even though they are comitting Genocide?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:43 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:So the western leftist now think CCP is based even though they are comitting Genocide?

Mass murder and crimes against humanity are ok if it's your own team doing it after all.
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Postby Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 am

I.... don't even know how to respond to that. I think you were being sarcastic. I hope you were.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:47 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:I.... don't even know how to respond to that. I think you were being sarcastic. I hope you were.

I was... it's pretty clear with the things I added in the edit.
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Postby Northern Connecticut » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:49 am

OK now its clear that you were joking. Sorry. lol
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Postby Sykar Socialist » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:35 pm

Northern Connecticut wrote:CCP is very in the wrong. They are committing a genocide in Xinxiang right now.

Hope CCP will end fast.

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Postby Sykar Socialist » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:52 pm

The Infamous Glare wrote:Sounds like ongoing preach on how China is morally evil... I see China as a way in advancing the people's wealth.

I don't care who represents what in China. But whenever I see some poor justification on liberating this and that, you lose your credit. Britain's relationship with China might have been unequal, but it was entirely centered around the fact that a) China's sole use to Britain was for trade, and b) China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Conquering Tibet from the Chinese would have taken an extreme level of commitment to screwing over the Chinese that would ultimately not payout. To this day, Tibet is a frozen rocky wasteland that is only useful for its geostrategic value as the source of most of Asia's major rivers. Add to this the British would have to find a way to reliably maintain a land connection to a plateau on the opposite side of the largest and tallest mountain range in the world. There's a good reason the Tibetan expedition was called off.

Adding further, Tibet was never actually independent and they'll admit it themselves. Even after the breakup of China in the warlords period, Tibet had Chinese administrators. Tibet tried to declare independence after the nationalists fled to Taiwan but the PLA crushed them for a good reason. Tibet is actually more integrated into China than Xinjiang. Just accept it, they'll likely never be independent again for a good reason as I said. Giving Tibet its "borders" is just buying into Tibetan propaganda. Yes, there are Tibetans living in those borders, no, they are far from the majority.

Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. It isn't legitimate or recognized China anymore and to proclaim it as a separate Chinese but not Chinese state is foolish. But hey, here are my 50 cents for you. As for 'East Turkestan', if you gave them the westernmost tip of Xinjiang, that would be about 80% of the Uyghur population solved right there.

Take a step back and look at the surrounding circumstances of Xinjiang. Uyghurs are a majority of the province, but they are only a majority by the slimmest of margins. The second-largest ethnic organization is only a few percentage points below the Uyghurs and that's the Han Chinese. I

If you count the Hui Chinese as well alongside the Han then you have a Han majority and an Uyghur minority in the province. When thinking over the region's problems, I'm drawn to the comparison with Chechnya, a regional populace that through religious and cultural bonds committed acts of violent terrorism in the name of independence.

The difference between Chechnya and Xinjiang though is that, unlike Chechnya where there were peaceful educational options to try and initiate societal change, Xinjiang's Uyghurs are mostly rural. You can't just set up a school in Hami and expect the system to pacify the population. While I can't say for certain what exactly they teach in the vocational centre, from a logistical standpoint, gathering them all into one place does seem to be the most efficient, if not the kindest, means of initiating educational societal reform.

China as a way in advancing the people's wealth. Why they have 600,000,000 peoples don't earn 156.27 USD?
China is more advanced and united than India was so conquering it isn't an option. Why they have GENOCIDE and Wumao?
Taiwan though is a joke that should just rejoin with the mainland. Taiwan is a part of China. But the China is Republic of China!!! My motherland.
And you said Taiwan must"Rejoin", so did you agree Taiwan is a Country?

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Postby Atheris » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:40 am

Northern Connecticut wrote:So the western leftist now think CCP is based even though they are comitting Genocide?

It was a joke.
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