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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:13 am

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Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:Its not a European nation

It does have the largest city in Europe, but you are correct that most of its territory is in Asia.

Which rightfully belongs to Greece
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Neanderthaland wrote:It does have the largest city in Europe, but you are correct that most of its territory is in Asia.

Which rightfully belongs to Greece

Ok I love memeing about the Megali Idea as much as the next guy, but there are more Turks inside Istanbul alone than there are Greeks in Greece.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:41 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:All hell would break loose. Turkey must never be allowed to join. No far-right, ultra-conservative, radical Islamist, theocratic dictatorship that tramples on human rights should ever be allowed to join.

(Fascist Russia's not welcome either. Hungary should be expelled for turning authoritarian, attempting to tax internet use, and using the rushed and inferior Sinovac vaccine. Viktor Orban can't be trusted. The President of Serbia literally kissed the Chinese flag as a token of gratitude for delivery of Chinese medical "aid". As such, Serbia should not be admitted at this time. Poland should be put on notice for persecuting LGBT+ people and criminalizing blasphemy. Spain should be put on notice for criminalizing blasphemy, lese majeste, Catalan separatism, and "scandalizing the judiciary". All these countries should be censured for behaving like fascists.)

(Emmanuel Macron should be put in charge of the EU given his administration's hardline approach to tackling radical Islam and American wokism. Vive le France!)

(Maybe joining the EU isn't always a good thing. The UK, USA, and Israel have much higher rates of vaccination against the Wuhan coronavirus by virtue of not being part of the EU. Von der Leyen dun goofed.)

Who would want to join a neo-liberal free-trade agreement with no benefits other than to cuck your nation with immigrants and bullshit laws. They literally threatened to kick out Switzerland of the Schengen Area because they didn't want to alter their gun laws. Not to mention mass migrants incoming which thankfully Hungary and Poland managed to knock some sense into em
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It's impossibile nobody wasts Turkey in this moment in EU, from left to the rights, for various reasons.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:10 am

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:All hell would break loose. Turkey must never be allowed to join. No far-right, ultra-conservative, radical Islamist, theocratic dictatorship that tramples on human rights should ever be allowed to join.

(Fascist Russia's not welcome either. Hungary should be expelled for turning authoritarian, attempting to tax internet use, and using the rushed and inferior Sinovac vaccine. Viktor Orban can't be trusted. The President of Serbia literally kissed the Chinese flag as a token of gratitude for delivery of Chinese medical "aid". As such, Serbia should not be admitted at this time. Poland should be put on notice for persecuting LGBT+ people and criminalizing blasphemy. Spain should be put on notice for criminalizing blasphemy, lese majeste, Catalan separatism, and "scandalizing the judiciary". All these countries should be censured for behaving like fascists.)

(Emmanuel Macron should be put in charge of the EU given his administration's hardline approach to tackling radical Islam and American wokism. Vive le France!)

(Maybe joining the EU isn't always a good thing. The UK, USA, and Israel have much higher rates of vaccination against the Wuhan coronavirus by virtue of not being part of the EU. Von der Leyen dun goofed.)

1. Who would want to join a neo-liberal free-trade agreement with no benefits other than to cuck your nation with immigrants and bullshit laws. 2. They literally threatened to kick out Switzerland of the Schengen Area because they didn't want to alter their gun laws. 3. Not to mention mass migrants incoming which thankfully Hungary and Poland managed to knock some sense into em

1. Someone doesn't know how the EU actually works or what it does.
2. Well, seeing as how Switzerland doesn't run the Schengen Area, it makes sense that it'd have to abide by the rules and standards of those who actually run it.
3. Hungary and Poland are trying to become right-wing authoritarian dictatorships and deserve to get kicked out.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:13 am

New haven america wrote:
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:1. Who would want to join a neo-liberal free-trade agreement with no benefits other than to cuck your nation with immigrants and bullshit laws. 2. They literally threatened to kick out Switzerland of the Schengen Area because they didn't want to alter their gun laws. 3. Not to mention mass migrants incoming which thankfully Hungary and Poland managed to knock some sense into em

1. Someone doesn't know how the EU actually works or what it does.
2. Well, seeing as how Switzerland doesn't run the Schengen Area, it makes sense that it'd have to abide by the rules and standards of those who actually run it.
3. Hungary and Poland are trying to become right-wing authoritarian dictatorships and deserve to get kicked out.

1. Don't see a point of it. It was fine in its original founding, now its just gone to a pile of horse shit
2. Its quite bull because they are enforcing it on Switzerland like they are Germany on Czechoslovakia
3. And?
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:21 am

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:They literally threatened to kick out Switzerland of the Schengen Area because they didn't want to alter their gun laws.


And?

Schengen and the EU are not necessarily inherently connected. While Schengen eventually became part of EU law under the Treaty of Amsterdam, it began separately from the then-EC. As a result, membership of the two doesn't wholly overlap. Switzerland is part of the Schengen Area, but it isn't part of the EU; the same is also true of Norway and Iceland. Meanwhile Ireland is part of the EU, but not part of the Schengen Area; this was also true of the UK before its departure from the EU (though the UK territory of Gibraltar will likely separately become part of Schengen). Bulgaria, Cyprus, Romania and Croatia are also part of the EU without being Schengen members - though are legally obligated by treaty to eventually join Schengen.

So Turkish accession to the EU - unlikely though this currently is - and potential Turkish membership of the Schengen Area are two separate points. EU members don't automatically become members of Schengen on accession; instead their potential membership is assessed over time. Cyprus, for example, is not a member of Schengen as a direct result of the dispute over northern Cyprus.

If Turkey were to somehow become part of the EU, most likely any potential membership of Schengen would be delayed indefinitely - as would full Turkish access to freedom of movement across the EU - precisely because of Western European concerns over the ramifications.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:25 am

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Someone doesn't know how the EU actually works or what it does.
2. Well, seeing as how Switzerland doesn't run the Schengen Area, it makes sense that it'd have to abide by the rules and standards of those who actually run it.
3. Hungary and Poland are trying to become right-wing authoritarian dictatorships and deserve to get kicked out.

1. Don't see a point of it. It was fine in its original founding, now its just gone to a pile of horse shit
2. Its quite bull because they are enforcing it on Switzerland like they are Germany on Czechoslovakia
3. And?

1. It's a trade union that makes it so you don't have to pay $10,000's more a month for imports and makes sure another intercontinental war happens through strengthen partnerships within the continent. Unless of course you want to spend $400+ for groceries and have another country trying to create their own version of The Roman Empire?
2.If Switzerland wants to be in the Schengen Area, they have to abide by the rules and standards of the Schengen Area.
3. And authoritarian dictatorships are bad things. Europeans of all people should know this fact well.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:32 am

New haven america wrote:
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:1. Don't see a point of it. It was fine in its original founding, now its just gone to a pile of horse shit
2. Its quite bull because they are enforcing it on Switzerland like they are Germany on Czechoslovakia
3. And?

1. It's a trade union that makes it so you don't have to pay $10,000's more a month for imports and makes sure another intercontinental war happens through strengthen partnerships within the continent. Unless of course you want to spend $400+ for groceries and have another country trying to create their own version of The Roman Empire?
2.If Switzerland wants to be in the Schengen Area, they have to abide by the rules and standards of the Schengen Area.
3. And authoritarian dictatorships are bad things. Europeans of all people should know this fact well.

1. "trade union". You mean a free trade agreement that decided to unionise Europe into some sort of progressive federation
2. Swizterland was considering leaving. Should of put it to the polls and left, would have been best for em. In the end only minor changes happened to their gun laws
3. Dunno mate. Rather a Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship than a neolib democracy at this point. Hungary and Poland aren't even close to being dictatorships, as long as their values are good with me then its fine
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Postby Caribbean Confederation » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:33 am

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Someone doesn't know how the EU actually works or what it does.
2. Well, seeing as how Switzerland doesn't run the Schengen Area, it makes sense that it'd have to abide by the rules and standards of those who actually run it.
3. Hungary and Poland are trying to become right-wing authoritarian dictatorships and deserve to get kicked out.

1. Don't see a point of it. It was fine in its original founding, now its just gone to a pile of horse shit
2. Its quite bull because they are enforcing it on Switzerland like they are Germany on Czechoslovakia
3. And?

You know, I'm not even surprised someone is comparing "You have to abide by our laws if you are to be part of our open borders area" to "You have to give me part of your land that holds a significant portion of German people, or I'll invade you and take it", thinking they've said something intelligent.

That aside, I do believe the EU is too big at this moment. They should boot countries like Poland and Hungary, maybe apply pressure on other European countries doing stupid shit like Spain is right now.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:35 am

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Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:1. Don't see a point of it. It was fine in its original founding, now its just gone to a pile of horse shit
2. Its quite bull because they are enforcing it on Switzerland like they are Germany on Czechoslovakia
3. And?

You know, I'm not even surprised someone is comparing "You have to abide by our laws if you are to be part of our open borders area" to "You have to give me part of your land that holds a significant portion of German people, or I'll invade you and take it", thinking they've said something intelligent.

Its comparable mate. Maybe if the EU wasn't filled with typical black-suited politicians spewing shit out their mouth we wouldn't have this discussion

That aside, I do believe the EU is too big at this moment. They should boot countries like Poland and Hungary, maybe apply pressure on other European countries doing stupid shit like Spain is right now.

At that point every nation that leeches on the EU might as well leave. They've taken their fair share so might as well ditch em. After all Poland grabs all the EU money and the EU can't do shit about it
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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:48 am

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. It's a trade union that makes it so you don't have to pay $10,000's more a month for imports and makes sure another intercontinental war happens through strengthen partnerships within the continent. Unless of course you want to spend $400+ for groceries and have another country trying to create their own version of The Roman Empire?
2.If Switzerland wants to be in the Schengen Area, they have to abide by the rules and standards of the Schengen Area.
3. And authoritarian dictatorships are bad things. Europeans of all people should know this fact well.

1. "trade union". You mean a free trade agreement that decided to unionise Europe into some sort of progressive federation
2. Swizterland was considering leaving. Should of put it to the polls and left, would have been best for em. In the end only minor changes happened to their gun laws
3. Dunno mate. Rather a Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship than a neolib democracy at this point. Hungary and Poland aren't even close to being dictatorships, as long as their values are good with me then its fine

1. And that's a bad thing because...? I wish it was that, tbh, something like that having a larger economy that the US would be hilarious. So much for the right-wing "Free Market." (Oh yeah, the EU has the largest economy in the world, btw)
2. They should've. If they're incapable of cooperation they shouldn't be allowed to benefit off of systems based on cooperation. (Also, you could be less obvious with the Nazi Germany comparisons)
3. Then you haven't been paying attention to Hungary and Poland.
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:07 am

Erskentania wrote:Since Turkey's proposal to join the European Union has been rejected for a long time... Why don't they let them join? and What would happenn if they finally join?

I'd beef up your OP if I were you.

But honestly, besides what everyone else has said, there would have to be a solution re. Cyprus: either reunification under an equal federation, partition, or some other thing. Even if Turkey progresses in any other field to join the EU, as long as Northern Cyprus remains under Turkish occupation, Turkey is not getting in.
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Postby Great Pacific Switzerland » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:54 am

New haven america wrote:
Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:1. "trade union". You mean a free trade agreement that decided to unionise Europe into some sort of progressive federation
2. Swizterland was considering leaving. Should of put it to the polls and left, would have been best for em. In the end only minor changes happened to their gun laws
3. Dunno mate. Rather a Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship than a neolib democracy at this point. Hungary and Poland aren't even close to being dictatorships, as long as their values are good with me then its fine

1. And that's a bad thing because...? I wish it was that, tbh, something like that having a larger economy that the US would be hilarious. So much for the right-wing "Free Market." (Oh yeah, the EU has the largest economy in the world, btw)
2. They should've. If they're incapable of cooperation they shouldn't be allowed to benefit off of systems based on cooperation. (Also, you could be less obvious with the Nazi Germany comparisons)
3. Then you haven't been paying attention to Hungary and Poland.

1. More like Germany and France combined have the largest economy while the rest of the member's leech off
2. It doesn't even benefit Switzerland in any way. Not sure why they even joined it
3. I have. And most of em I agree, as long as I got my conservative worker's rights and state-owned industry I'll be good
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Postby Dogmeat » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:58 am

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It does have the largest city in Europe, but you are correct that most of its territory is in Asia.

Which rightfully belongs to Greece

If Greece took it, they would instantly become a majority Turkish country.
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Postby Catsfern » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:04 am

I'm from the U.S., and as an American the E.U. comes up so little in my daily life that I kinda don't care about it all that much, and a lot of Americans are the same. If Turkey ever did join the E.U. it would probably get about a 5 minute news segment and an article or two on most major news sources, but then they would swiftly move on to whatever partisan battle is tearing American politics apart this week.

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Germany would be glad to add another big market to its trade zone.
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