NATION

PASSWORD

[Submitted] Reactions to Reactions

A place to spoil daily issues for those who haven't had them yet, snigger at typos, and discuss ideas for new ones.
User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

[Submitted] Reactions to Reactions

Postby Pluvie » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:22 am

New and improved and by improved I mean entirely rewritten!! Literally nothing stayed the same except for the speaker in option 2 xD Enjoy!
[Title(tentative)] Reactions to Reactions

[Description] Three citizens have recently died from allergic reactions after dining in @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ restaurants. A thorough investigation into these deaths has revealed that many of @@NATION@@’s restaurants suffer from a severe lack of allergy labelling. The citizens are demanding that something be done to prevent future deaths.
[Validity] All

[Option 1] @@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, PTA chairwoman and mother of 5, rushes into your office in a huff: “@@LEADER@@, I think I speak for all mothers when I say that this is a travesty! Families are scared to step into restaurants for fear of an allergy attack! We need proper allergy labelling now! Not only that, we need every restaurant worker armed with an epi-pen and some proper medical training. That wouldn’t be so hard, would it?"
[Effect 1] walking into a restaurant is like walking onto a quarantine site

[Option 2] Bill Richie, CEO of popular fast food chain Burger Emperor storms into your office looking shocked: “Are you serious @@LEADER@@? It would be hard enough to install these so-called ‘essential’ allergy labels! And she wants us to provide training and fancy medical crap for every worker? You know who’s gonna pay for that? Customers. This allergy safety is nonsense anyway; people should know their own allergies. Let the citizens take care of themselves!”
[Effect 2] the latest wager in @@NATION@@ is on which restaurant will next be embroiled in scandal

[Option 3] @@RANDOMNAME@@, famously inflammatory natural foods activist, slams a fist on your desk: “Forcing restaurants to have proper allergy labelling won’t solve anything! Restaurants are hotbeds for processed slop, filth, and sickness. If we really wanted to solve this problem, we’d just ban restaurants outright! That’s the only way you can properly protect citizens like a leader should!”
[Effect 3] food courts have become desolate ghost towns

[Option 4] @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of scientific research slinks into your office with a sly smile: ”No no no, you guys got it all wrong. It shouldn’t be about allergy protection or prevention, it should be about eradication! Now, I’m just spitballin’ here, but, you know, if you finally took my idea for vat grown babies… we could just eliminate allergies altogether! It may be experimental, but doesn’t that seem like the smartest solution?”
[Effect 4] allergies are theoretically a thing of the past


[Title(tentative)] Labels, Libels, and Liability

[Description] Last week, a tourist from Maxtopia almost died due to an allergic reaction to the sesame seeds on Burger Emperor’s buns. The situation has revealed a lack of allergy labelling throughout the popular fast food chain, and across @@NATION@@’s restaurants. Maxtopian and @@DEMONYMADJECTIVE@@ citizens alike are wondering what the government intends to do about the lack of proper allergy labelling on all foods.
[Validity] Capitalism

[Option 1] Your very small and very nervous Foreign Affairs officer is anxiously pacing around your office: “We gotta do something about this! The Maxtopians won’t take kindly to this, you can be sure of that! We gotta start labelling all the allergens on all the menus! That can’t be that hard, and it would surely show the Maxtopians we’ve taken an interest in fixing this! Yes that’s what we should do…”
[Effect 1] There seems to be more allergy labelling than menu these days.

[Option 2] Bill Richie, CEO of Burger Emperor storms into your office: “@@LEADER@@ are you serious? The man didn’t know there were sesame seeds on our buns? What other small white seed would be dotting Burger Emperor’s world famous buns? And if we have to put an allergy warning for sesame seeds, what’s next… air? Water?!”
[Effect 2] Companies are winning court cases by claiming the plaintiffs are just looking for attention.

[Option 3] A shrouded man shoots you a sly grin and puts his feet up on your desk. As he lifts his hood you recognize your former chief of operations, Chippy Watson: “Well hey there @@LEADER@@... I don’t suppose you might be interested in a different proposal? What do you say we make the citizens keep track of their own allergens? Maybe on… a microChip™? We might even gather some other data from time to time. Of course, I’d need my old job back, but it would certainly solve the issue at hand.”
[Effect 3] The government will make any excuse to implant their citizens with more microchips.

[Option 4] “Do you want to hear the truth @@LEADER@@?” The voice of @@RANDOMNAME@@, a famously rambunctious revolutionary, resonates through the room as @@HE@@ bursts open the door. “This is just another example of the failures of capitalism! The bourgeoisie is endangering the lives of our citizens with this improper labelling. But do you know what nobody is allergic to? Equality. I assure you, a socialist economy would care far more for their citizens than these companies that won’t even label correctly.”
[Effect 4] The seeds of socialism are apparently of the sesame variety.


[Title(tentative)] Labels, Libels, and Liability

[Description] Last week, a tourist from Maxtopia almost died due to an allergic reaction to the sesame seeds on Burger Emperor’s buns. He is now suing the popular fast food chain for their menu’s lack of allergy information. Burger Emperor and restaurants across the country are demanding to hear what @@LEADER@@ intends to do about this.
[Validity] Capitalism

[Option 1] Your very small and very nervous Foreign Affairs officer is anxiously pacing around your office: “We gotta do something about this! The Maxtopians won’t take kindly to this, you can be sure of that! We gotta start labelling all the allergens on all the menus! That can’t be that hard, and it would surely show the Maxtopians we’ve taken an interest in fixing this! Yes that’s what we should do…”
[Effect 1] there seems to be more allergy labelling than menu these days

[Option 2] Bill Richie, CEO of Burger Emperor storms into your office: “@@LEADER@@ are you serious? The man didn’t know there were sesame seeds on our buns? What other small white seed would be dotting Burger Emperor’s world famous buns? And if we have to put an allergy warning for sesame seeds, what’s next… air? Water?!”
[Effect 2] companies are winning court cases by claiming the plaintiffs are just looking for attention

[Option 3] A shrouded man shoots you a sly grin and puts his feet up on your desk. As he lifts his hood you recognize your former chief of operations, Chippy Watson: “Well hey there @@LEADER@@... I don’t suppose you might be interested in a different proposal? What do you say we make the citizens keep track of their own allergens? Maybe on… a microChip™? We might even gather some other data from time to time. Of course, I’d need my old job back, but it would certainly solve the issue at hand.”
[Effect 3] the government will make any excuse to implant their citizens with more microchips

[Option 4] “Do you want to hear the truth @@LEADER@@?” Your Head of Economic Affairs’ voice resonates through the room as he bursts open the door. “This is just another example of the failures of capitalism! The bourgeoisie is endangering the lives of our citizens with this improper labelling. But do you know what nobody is allergic to? Equality. I assure you, a socialist economy would care far more for their citizens than these companies that won’t even label correctly.”
[Effect 4] the seeds of socialism are apparently of the sesame variety
Last edited by Pluvie on Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:33 pm, edited 10 times in total.
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Vylixan
Attaché
 
Posts: 71
Founded: Mar 19, 2006
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Vylixan » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:34 pm

So I love the name, alliterations are always good in my book.
Maybe make the amount the tourist sues for enormous, now it seems a bit weird that Burger Emperor and restaurants come to you?
Bonus points for Chippy Watson, but Bill Richie should of course be Ri¢hie Ri¢h, or riff on one of the more famous burger icons? Make it Major Dirty or something?
Also I really like the opportunism to turn this crisis into a revolution, but it's still weird that the Head of Economic Affairs initiates that.
They don't need to you for that, since they are (partially) in control of the economy anyway they can do this themselves on the sly.
Maybe write someone else in that choice?

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:47 pm

Vylixan wrote:Maybe make the amount the tourist sues for enormous, now it seems a bit weird that Burger Emperor and restaurants come to you?

I'll think about it, I did think I could possibly add something more there to make this a more pressing issue in the eyes of the government (which notably is why it's a Maxtopian tourist at all)
Vylixan wrote:Bonus points for Chippy Watson, but Bill Richie should of course be Ri¢hie Ri¢h, or riff on one of the more famous burger icons? Make it Major Dirty or something?

Hmm again I'll think about it, I did Bill Richie because Dollar Bills and cuz ya know... RICHie but I'll see if I can find a more creative solution there
Vylixan wrote:Maybe write someone else in that choice?

I agree that the position there is odd and I have an idea of how I could write that person in a little better but I have yet to figure out how I'll format :P

Thanks for the comments!! :hug:
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Terrabod
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 183
Founded: Jan 10, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Terrabod » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:00 pm

Pluvie wrote:
Vylixan wrote:Maybe make the amount the tourist sues for enormous, now it seems a bit weird that Burger Emperor and restaurants come to you?

I'll think about it, I did think I could possibly add something more there to make this a more pressing issue in the eyes of the government (which notably is why it's a Maxtopian tourist at all)

I agree about the court case thing, that probably isn't something that Leader would get involved in. Maybe you could have the court case be the incident that kickstarts this discussion, but have people come to your office to talk about options for future legislation, like forcing restaurants to label all allergens. This would mean you can still use your current options but it would make the topic one that Leader would make a decision about. You can then have the person with the allergy come from your nation.

On a side note, your effect lines should not start with a capital letter or end with a full stop.

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:31 pm

Terrabod wrote:I agree about the court case thing, that probably isn't something that Leader would get involved in. Maybe you could have the court case be the incident that kickstarts this discussion, but have people come to your office to talk about options for future legislation, like forcing restaurants to label all allergens. This would mean you can still use your current options but it would make the topic one that Leader would make a decision about. You can then have the person with the allergy come from your nation.

I actually rather like the idea of an FA incident, especially because it's a unique concept in comparison to the allergy issue that already exists. I think there's a bit of a jump there in my current version, but the idea of the FA problems causing the urgency of this issue is one I want to explore :)
Terrabod wrote:On a side note, your effect lines should not start with a capital letter or end with a full stop.

I'm not sure what you mean? I'm pretty sure all effect lines are capitalized and have periods at the end? I've answered a lotta issues, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not...
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Terrabod
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 183
Founded: Jan 10, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Terrabod » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:45 pm

Pluvie wrote:
Terrabod wrote:I agree about the court case thing, that probably isn't something that Leader would get involved in. Maybe you could have the court case be the incident that kickstarts this discussion, but have people come to your office to talk about options for future legislation, like forcing restaurants to label all allergens. This would mean you can still use your current options but it would make the topic one that Leader would make a decision about. You can then have the person with the allergy come from your nation.

I actually rather like the idea of an FA incident, especially because it's a unique concept in comparison to the allergy issue that already exists. I think there's a bit of a jump there in my current version, but the idea of the FA problems causing the urgency of this issue is one I want to explore :)

Well, it's your issue! But you should definitely consider my point on the court case thing. It's not really Leader's job to interfere with court cases, but it is Leader's job to make rules about negligent allergy labelling.

Pluvie wrote:
Terrabod wrote:On a side note, your effect lines should not start with a capital letter or end with a full stop.

I'm not sure what you mean? I'm sure all effect lines are capitalized and have periods at the end? I've answered a lotta issues, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not...

At the bottom of your nation page there's a list of effect lines of issues you recently answered. You'll notice that these don't have capital letters and full stops (well, apart from the very start and the very end) because that would be grammatically incorrect in the middle of a list. So when you submit your issues, you don't have a capital letter and a full stop in your effect lines - these are added automatically (if required). When you choose an option and the effect line comes up, the capital letter and full stop have been added automatically.

What you see isn't quite what is submitted by the issue author.

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:50 pm

Terrabod wrote:Well, it's your issue! But you should definitely consider my point on the court case thing. It's not really Leader's job to interfere with court cases, but it is Leader's job to make rules about negligent allergy labelling.

Oh yes of course. My thought is actually that I'll probably remove the court case entirely as I'm not really sure it's necessary to the rest of the issue. I'll edit that once I figure out how I'll write it ^-^
Terrabod wrote:At the bottom of your nation page there's a list of effect lines of issues you recently answered. You'll notice that these don't have capital letters and full stops (well, apart from the very start and the very end) because that would be grammatically incorrect in the middle of a list. So when you submit your issues, you don't have a capital letter and a full stop in your effect lines - these are added automatically (if required). When you choose an option and the effect line comes up, the capital letter and full stop have been added automatically.

What you see isn't quite what is submitted by the issue author.

Oh wow okay I didn't know that, I'll change the lines accordingly (and I do apologize if my comments there sounded mean, I was more just confused). Thanks for letting me know!
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Terrabod
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 183
Founded: Jan 10, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Terrabod » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:03 pm

Pluvie wrote:Oh wow okay I didn't know that, I'll change the lines accordingly (and I do apologize if my comments there sounded mean, I was more just confused). Thanks for letting me know!

No, no, it's no problem. I can absolutely see why you were confused, the strange format of effect lines does seem counterintuitive at first.

User avatar
Australian rePublic
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21790
Founded: Mar 18, 2013
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:11 pm

If this guy was so allergic to seaseme seeds that he could die from them, why didn't he research nation's laws regarding allergin advice before travelling overseas?
If you're against political parties who support the CCP, then vote against the Australian Labor Party
The only reason why countries bid to host the games is for tourism. This is why countries plan to boycott the Beijing winter Olympics. By cancelling the 2020/21 Olympics, Japan is defacto recieving the same punishment as China, but Japan did nothing wrong since World War II
Until if and when the Spanish language evolves to allow for gender-neutrality to not be impossible, (which will take at least centuries), the concept of "LatinX" is completely ridiculous
From Greek Ansestry Orthodox Christian
18 Published Issues and 1 WA Resolution List of NPC Nations
In-Character posts made by this fictious account do not reflect the actions of any real world government

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:22 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:If this guy was so allergic to seaseme seeds that he could die from them, why didn't he research nation's laws regarding allergin advice before travelling overseas?

Uh hmm well there could be a lotta reasons for that? He could have not known he was allergic, he could have been unable to find proper information, he could've just not searched cuz I don't think that's really a thing that everybody does, and most of all, the impression is that he's not the sharpest hammer in the dishwasher. The second option is all about how it's kinda ridiculous and the guy shoulda known there was an allergen there. It is, like most issues, exaggerated to a certain degree, I think to say this isn't something that could easily happen irl, much less the NS universe, would not necessarily be very reasonable.

But thank you! ^-^

EDIT: I've also updated this draft with a second draft that includes minor edits to option 4 and less minor edits to the description :)
Last edited by Pluvie on Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Australian rePublic
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21790
Founded: Mar 18, 2013
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:20 am

Pluvie wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:If this guy was so allergic to seaseme seeds that he could die from them, why didn't he research nation's laws regarding allergin advice before travelling overseas?

Uh hmm well there could be a lotta reasons for that? He could have not known he was allergic, he could have been unable to find proper information, he could've just not searched cuz I don't think that's really a thing that everybody does, and most of all, the impression is that he's not the sharpest hammer in the dishwasher. The second option is all about how it's kinda ridiculous and the guy shoulda known there was an allergen there. It is, like most issues, exaggerated to a certain degree, I think to say this isn't something that could easily happen irl, much less the NS universe, would not necessarily be very reasonable.

But thank you! ^-^

EDIT: I've also updated this draft with a second draft that includes minor edits to option 4 and less minor edits to the description :)

How could you not realise that you have a server food allergy until you travel overseas? And even if that was the case, then how would have a warning label saved him. What would have made him avoid eating seaseme seaeds if he didn't know that he wasn't supposed to? In order for that excuse to work, you'd have to look into gluten intolerance. Apparently some people who are usually allergic to wheat in Australia or the USA are able to eat wheat without any consequences in the EU. That's the only situation where he didn't know he was severly allergic would be plausible. But if that was the case, then a warning lable would do nothing, because the label would say "contains gluten" and he would think "okay, I can eat gluten, what's the problem?"
If you're against political parties who support the CCP, then vote against the Australian Labor Party
The only reason why countries bid to host the games is for tourism. This is why countries plan to boycott the Beijing winter Olympics. By cancelling the 2020/21 Olympics, Japan is defacto recieving the same punishment as China, but Japan did nothing wrong since World War II
Until if and when the Spanish language evolves to allow for gender-neutrality to not be impossible, (which will take at least centuries), the concept of "LatinX" is completely ridiculous
From Greek Ansestry Orthodox Christian
18 Published Issues and 1 WA Resolution List of NPC Nations
In-Character posts made by this fictious account do not reflect the actions of any real world government

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:28 am

Australian rePublic wrote:How could you not realize that you have a server food allergy until you travel overseas? And even if that was the case, then how would have a warning label saved him. What would have made him avoid eating sesame seeds if he didn't know that he wasn't supposed to? In order for that excuse to work, you'd have to look into gluten intolerance. Apparently some people who are usually allergic to wheat in Australia or the USA are able to eat wheat without any consequences in the EU. That's the only situation where he didn't know he was severely allergic would be plausible. But if that was the case, then a warning label would do nothing, because the label would say "contains gluten" and he would think "okay, I can eat gluten, what's the problem?"

Hmm okay so just as a starter, you addressed... one of the possible excuses I listed there, notably the least likely of them. And perhaps I didn't clear it up enough, but I address this in option 2. It is intended to be slightly ridiculous that this tourist ingested something so obviously on a bun, that is part of the ridiculousness and humor of the issue. And the tourist really serves as more of a catalyst than anything (especially noting that in this new draft, it's not even him who brings up the topic of poor allergy labelling). He almost dies and because he's a foreign citizen, this brings up this issue a lot faster and larger than it would usually have been done.

So whether the guy is just an absent minded fool who accidentally took a bite of a burger without realizing it had sesame on it, or whether he really somehow believed those seeds weren't sesame, I think both of those scenarios are likely enough (every human makes mistakes) and seeing that this is not even the biggest focus of this issue, I'm pretty sure it's okay.
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Australian rePublic
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21790
Founded: Mar 18, 2013
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:09 pm

Pluvie wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:How could you not realize that you have a server food allergy until you travel overseas? And even if that was the case, then how would have a warning label saved him. What would have made him avoid eating sesame seeds if he didn't know that he wasn't supposed to? In order for that excuse to work, you'd have to look into gluten intolerance. Apparently some people who are usually allergic to wheat in Australia or the USA are able to eat wheat without any consequences in the EU. That's the only situation where he didn't know he was severely allergic would be plausible. But if that was the case, then a warning label would do nothing, because the label would say "contains gluten" and he would think "okay, I can eat gluten, what's the problem?"

Hmm okay so just as a starter, you addressed... one of the possible excuses I listed there, notably the least likely of them. And perhaps I didn't clear it up enough, but I address this in option 2. It is intended to be slightly ridiculous that this tourist ingested something so obviously on a bun, that is part of the ridiculousness and humor of the issue. And the tourist really serves as more of a catalyst than anything (especially noting that in this new draft, it's not even him who brings up the topic of poor allergy labelling). He almost dies and because he's a foreign citizen, this brings up this issue a lot faster and larger than it would usually have been done.

So whether the guy is just an absent minded fool who accidentally took a bite of a burger without realizing it had sesame on it, or whether he really somehow believed those seeds weren't sesame, I think both of those scenarios are likely enough (every human makes mistakes) and seeing that this is not even the biggest focus of this issue, I'm pretty sure it's okay.

Fair enough
If you're against political parties who support the CCP, then vote against the Australian Labor Party
The only reason why countries bid to host the games is for tourism. This is why countries plan to boycott the Beijing winter Olympics. By cancelling the 2020/21 Olympics, Japan is defacto recieving the same punishment as China, but Japan did nothing wrong since World War II
Until if and when the Spanish language evolves to allow for gender-neutrality to not be impossible, (which will take at least centuries), the concept of "LatinX" is completely ridiculous
From Greek Ansestry Orthodox Christian
18 Published Issues and 1 WA Resolution List of NPC Nations
In-Character posts made by this fictious account do not reflect the actions of any real world government

User avatar
Electrum
Issues Editor
 
Posts: 3240
Founded: Jan 20, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby Electrum » Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:28 am

Look, from the way the description is set up, it looks like the poor tourist is the one clearly at fault. If you have an allergy, you should tell restaurant staff before eating it. It's good to add some grey areas to this issue so it's not as clear cut. For example, there's been many times in real life where a person explained that they had x allergy and they were served food that had x anyways.

Also, not sure if this issue needs to be specifically about a Maxtopian tourist, but I guess that can help contribute to miscommunication of allergies between the tourist and the serving staff.

One more also -- sesame seeds are a really obvious thing to spot if you're allergic to them. People who are allergic to foods tend to be caught out when the foods they are allergic to are hidden like buttermilk on the coating of chicken to nuts mixed into a dip.

Validity -- I think this is a universal problem. This problem appears all around the world, not just in capitalist countries. Getting people to label their food is not a uniquely problem.

Option 1 -- Perhaps you could include the requirement for restaurant staff to have medical training, and an epipen available at each shop to help people suffering from allergic reactions. That can help with Option 2 since listing allergens in food is not that much of a burden, especially if you are a fast food chain, but having training+epipen would be a significant burden that would definitely merit complaining.

Option 3 doesn't work. Why would you need to install a chip to allow people to keep track of their allergens that presumably they already know about? Like the tourist must have known they were allergic.

Option 4 -- See comments on validity. Switching to socialism doesn't really fix the problem of hidden allergies. Perhaps as a crazy option you could instead ban restaurants from cooking foods that can cause allergies?
Last edited by Electrum on Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
Just a regular G.I. Joe - list of issue ideas

NationStates Tennis Tour President - rankings and season seven schedule

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:55 pm

Electrum wrote:Look, from the way the description is set up, it looks like the poor tourist is the one clearly at fault. If you have an allergy, you should tell restaurant staff before eating it. It's good to add some grey areas to this issue so it's not as clear cut. For example, there's been many times in real life where a person explained that they had x allergy and they were served food that had x anyways.

Also, not sure if this issue needs to be specifically about a Maxtopian tourist, but I guess that can help contribute to miscommunication of allergies between the tourist and the serving staff.

One more also -- sesame seeds are a really obvious thing to spot if you're allergic to them. People who are allergic to foods tend to be caught out when the foods they are allergic to are hidden like buttermilk on the coating of chicken to nuts mixed into a dip.

Validity -- I think this is a universal problem. This problem appears all around the world, not just in capitalist countries. Getting people to label their food is not a uniquely problem.

Option 1 -- Perhaps you could include the requirement for restaurant staff to have medical training, and an epipen available at each shop to help people suffering from allergic reactions. That can help with Option 2 since listing allergens in food is not that much of a burden, especially if you are a fast food chain, but having training+epipen would be a significant burden that would definitely merit complaining.

Option 3 doesn't work. Why would you need to install a chip to allow people to keep track of their allergens that presumably they already know about? Like the tourist must have known they were allergic.

Option 4 -- See comments on validity. Switching to socialism doesn't really fix the problem of hidden allergies. Perhaps as a crazy option you could instead ban restaurants from cooking foods that can cause allergies?

Thank you for the suggestions ^-^ I recognize I may have dipped too far into the silly with this draft so I’ll rework and see what I can do.

The one qualm I do have is that I actually do enjoy the option regarding the change to socialism. I do think I should rework to make validity all so I could theoretically create an issue the other way around as well, but I think the socialism option is definitely feasible. Any change in government, especially a major shift in the economy, can certainly change the way something is done, or can at least change how the masses see it. I think a sudden change to socialism or capitalism would easily be a good way to sort of distract from the issue at hand by promising big changes in how the economy works. I will think about it tho, if I have a better idea, I’ll do it ^-^

EDIT: I did not realize that even sent as I meant to add more RIP xD I'll add it now.

Option 1: I agree and that could be an interesting addition there, thank you.

Option 3: So the microchips were just a silly thing that stemmed off of an original idea to have an option that was essentially "make the citizens have a list of their own allergens with them at all times so the restaurants don't have to keep track of everything." I look back on that though and realize it may not necessarily be viable as I don't know if it would change that much.

Also regarding a ban on all foods that people are allergic to... that could be interesting but would it not also essentially mean banning everything from restaurants? I mean people have allergic reactions to water, red meat, leafy greens, etc. I suppose that could make for a funny dynamic but seems like it might honestly just be easier to ban all restaurants at that point.
Last edited by Pluvie on Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Trotterdam
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9177
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:18 am

Electrum wrote:Look, from the way the description is set up, it looks like the poor tourist is the one clearly at fault. If you have an allergy, you should tell restaurant staff before eating it. It's good to add some grey areas to this issue so it's not as clear cut. For example, there's been many times in real life where a person explained that they had x allergy and they were served food that had x anyways.

Also, not sure if this issue needs to be specifically about a Maxtopian tourist, but I guess that can help contribute to miscommunication of allergies between the tourist and the serving staff.

One more also -- sesame seeds are a really obvious thing to spot if you're allergic to them. People who are allergic to foods tend to be caught out when the foods they are allergic to are hidden like buttermilk on the coating of chicken to nuts mixed into a dip.
Another problem with allergies is that sometimes they're severe enough that people can die from tiny trace amounts that aren't even meant to be in that dish, but are left over from not cleaning your equipment thoroughly enough after having also prepared another dish with the same equipment.

I once heard about a girl dying because her boyfriend kissed her on the lips after having eaten nuts earlier that day. (Or was it peanuts? Whatever.)

As for sesame seeds being obvious to spot, that might not be true if the food uses sesame oil, which is pretty common.

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:16 pm

Evenin all! Issue has been reworked and renewed. Feedback would be appreciated ^-^
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:37 pm

Bump because it's been a little while and I haven't gotten any responses. Also some minor edits coming soon! I'd love any feedback you guys have!! ^-^
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:42 pm

Okie dokie! A couple of minor wording changes have been made, and I’m now down to really two things I need help with.

1. The title still feels very lackluster to me. If any of ya’ll have some better or funnier titles I would love to hear them.

2. The first effect line is still not my favorite? I feel like I could definitely do better, ya know? I’d love some thoughts in that direction as well, even if they’re that ya’ll like the line (it could just be my preference tbh).

And of course if there’s anything else ya’ll would like to comment I’d love to hear it! Thank you :)
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:30 pm

Okie dokes! I've reviewed this issue a couple more times over the last week and I changed effect line 2 but I'm also pretty happy with the title and effect 1 as they are. I'm moving this draft to last call because I'm happy with it and I still haven't received any negative feedback, or any feedback in the least. If you guys have any questions or concerns lmk.
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Pluvie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Apr 14, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Pluvie » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:33 pm

Alright, submitted! Thanks to all who helped this issue along the way :)
Main of Aramantha, resident Enby, Fox, Dragon, Catgirl, Time Traveller, Spectre of Hearts, Kangaroo(???), possibly or possibly not a madcap magician, apparently Dolphin?, and friend to (almost) all! You better be having a good day or I'll have to come give you a good day myself :<

User avatar
Australian rePublic
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21790
Founded: Mar 18, 2013
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:11 pm

Good Luck!
If you're against political parties who support the CCP, then vote against the Australian Labor Party
The only reason why countries bid to host the games is for tourism. This is why countries plan to boycott the Beijing winter Olympics. By cancelling the 2020/21 Olympics, Japan is defacto recieving the same punishment as China, but Japan did nothing wrong since World War II
Until if and when the Spanish language evolves to allow for gender-neutrality to not be impossible, (which will take at least centuries), the concept of "LatinX" is completely ridiculous
From Greek Ansestry Orthodox Christian
18 Published Issues and 1 WA Resolution List of NPC Nations
In-Character posts made by this fictious account do not reflect the actions of any real world government


Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Got Issues?

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Annihilators of Chan Island, Trotterdam

Advertisement

Remove ads