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American Revolution (with a twist)

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Who would you fight for?

Loyalists in 1 and 2
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27%
Loyalists in 1, Patriots in 2
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10%
Patriots in 1, Loyalists in 2
9
11%
Patriots in 1 and 2
43
52%
 
Total votes : 82

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American Revolution (with a twist)

Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:57 pm

The American Revolutionary War has started. You must enlist and fight... which side do you join? Loyalists or Patriots?

There are two alternate sets of conditions:

1. You were born in the 1700s and raised in a New England colony; you are a farmer. You must enlist and fight for one side.

2. You time travel back to the 1700s from the present. You have all your knowledge now (including the outcome of the war and how the USA ended up)... still, you must enlist and fight for one side.


What will you fight for?

Will you be loyal to the government or will you fight for the local elites’ rights to minimize taxes, run for powerful elected office, arm the population with guns, and exploit the local economy for profit free from British control?

Will you fight for law and order or will you fight for American style freedom?

What’s your take? Please justify.

In both sets of conditions, I would obey the law and fight for the British. I would be loyal to the government.
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Postby Sword Island » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:03 pm

Seeing as I know that the Colonists won the war I would join the revolution, but very reluctantly as I also know Valley Forge happened. Without such knowledge, I would have stayed loyal due to the fact that Great Britain has the might to crush this rebellion under its heel in a matter of weeks and that I wouldn't want to risk the reprisals of turning tratior.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:07 pm



The uniforms looking good

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Postby Adamede » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:07 pm

If fight for the Americans, no remorse or doubts about it.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:09 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:


The uniforms looking good


Have some more same movie
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:13 pm

Nakena wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The uniforms looking good


Have some more same movie


It looks like they were having a great time; I would like to join this

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:15 pm

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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:15 pm

I fight for the Americans because they’re going to win without my future knowledge use what I know to secure connects for the next more important step. Once the war is done it’s time to use what I know to aid revolutions around the world in places like Haiti, France, Bolivia, and Ireland before returning to America to help the German Coast Rebellion become a nation wide slave revolt.
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:16 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Have some more same movie


It looks like they were having a great time; I would like to join this

You really should watch the whole movie lmfao
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:23 pm

Heloin wrote:I fight for the Americans because they’re going to win without my future knowledge use what I know to secure connects for the next more important step. Once the war is done it’s time to use what I know to aid revolutions around the world in places like Haiti, France, Bolivia, and Ireland before returning to America to help the German Coast Rebellion become a nation wide slave revolt.


You sure about that one?

Punished UMN wrote:You really should watch the whole movie lmfao


I second that.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:32 pm

I wonder if the Royal Navy would accept people from the colonies

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Postby Heloin » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:42 pm

Nakena wrote:
Heloin wrote:I fight for the Americans because they’re going to win without my future knowledge use what I know to secure connects for the next more important step. Once the war is done it’s time to use what I know to aid revolutions around the world in places like Haiti, France, Bolivia, and Ireland before returning to America to help the German Coast Rebellion become a nation wide slave revolt.


You sure about that one?

You'd only disagree with that choice if you're understanding of Haitian history is based solely on the massacre in 1804. Over a decade after the revolution had begun as a response to Napoleon's attempted invasion to make them all slaves again and by orders of the dictator general Jean-Jacques Dessalines who had to personally oversee massacres for them to actually be carried out.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:52 pm

1. In scenario one, I would fight for freedom from British tyranny and fight for democracy and self-determination.

2. In hindsight, knowing that America has always historically been far more racist toward Natives and Blacks than Canada has been and knowing that the gradual liberalization, peaceful reforms, and the smooth evolution of Westminster-style parliamentary democracy across the Dominions and Great Britain itself are preferable to a sudden, violent revolution and the persistence of slavery and Jim Crow in the South, I would fight for the British for the sake of democratic gradualism and continuity. After the Patriots emerge victorious, I would move to Ontario and live out the rest of my days in peace, only to return to Washington in 1812 to set fire to the White House. I believe all the English-speaking countries of the world should be united into one, federal, democratic superpower with Her Majesty the Queen residing in London and the Prime Minister, his Cabinet, and MPs (and the Law Lords) operating out of Washington and a single language being spoken across the Holy Empire of Britannia. Americans are and have always been Englishmen after all.
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Postby Sundiata » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:36 am

I would likely side with the British in all scenarios.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:30 am

Sundiata wrote:I would likely side with the British in all scenarios.


I see. A fellow loyalist. You want to defend the Crown too? :)

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Postby Esternial » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:55 am

In situation 2 I'd obviously become a whimsical tech mogul by re-creating the technologies I remember from the modern era, starting with the semi-automatic pistol.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:21 am

Patriots for sure.
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Postby Page » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:21 am

Obviously as a time traveler I would fight for the side that I know wins. Asking what one would do if they were born in the 1700's is senseless because if a person reading this thread was a 1700's farmer, they would be a completely different person. There is no "you but hundreds of years ago", we are shaped by our experiences and culture and society, so that is an entirely different person.
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Postby Quartia and Karafuto » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:26 am

I'd fight for the British either way. I'm not sure how I'd be as a farmer in the 1700s, but I just have a feeling I'd be pro-British. In scenario 2 however, I'm absolutely sure I'd be pro-British, for one if I can give the British information to help them win, I could get slavery banned in the colonies 50 years earlier when it was banned in Britain. After that the colonies might gain independence anyway, but the USA certainly wouldn't be as dominant in the world, which is a good thing.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:49 am

I'd fight against the British in both scenarios. With a few examples and my knowledge, I could probably show the Patriots how to build some simple breechloaders.
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:1. In scenario one, I would fight for freedom from British tyranny and fight for democracy and self-determination.

2. In hindsight, knowing that America has always historically been far more racist toward Natives and Blacks than Canada has been and knowing that the gradual liberalization, peaceful reforms, and the smooth evolution of Westminster-style parliamentary democracy across the Dominions and Great Britain itself are preferable to a sudden, violent revolution and the persistence of slavery and Jim Crow in the South, I would fight for the British for the sake of democratic gradualism and continuity. After the Patriots emerge victorious, I would move to Ontario and live out the rest of my days in peace, only to return to Washington in 1812 to set fire to the White House. I believe all the English-speaking countries of the world should be united into one, federal, democratic superpower with Her Majesty the Queen residing in London and the Prime Minister, his Cabinet, and MPs (and the Law Lords) operating out of Washington and a single language being spoken across the Holy Empire of Britannia. Americans are and have always been Englishmen after all.

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Postby Adamede » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:26 am

Senkaku wrote:I don't think it matters; either way I will die almost immediately of smallpox.

Not if you get a cowpox inoculation.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:26 am

I'd go back and tell those Brits that when it comes to honor, there is no room for "u." ;)
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