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Italian Governing Coalition Collapses

Postby Shrillland » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:10 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/clock-ticks-for-italy-s-conte-as-he-braces-for-senate-vote/ar-BB1cLPps?li=BBnbcA1

On Thursday, former PM Matteo Renzi's Italia Viva party deserted Giuseppe Conte's coalition government, led by M5S(Five Star Movement) and PD(Democrats), leaving him without a majority in Parliament. Renzi said that it was because Conte's government hasn't done enough to tackle Italy's problems caused by Covid. Without IV, Conte is now 12 votes short of a combined majority, and a confidence vote has been schedule for Monday in the Chamber and Tuesday in the Senate. Conte seems optimistic he can forge a new coalition by strengthening his Senate majority, but only time will tell.

So, NSG, what's your take? Mine is that the experts are right and that Conte will push the government to the right by bringing in Berlusconi's FI.
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You're probably right about that, but I don't enough about this situation yet.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:48 am

oh godfuckingdamnit

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:13 am

Conte's overtures to UDC have failed: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/italy-s-conte-struggles-to-secure-support-in-senate-showdown/ar-BB1cPF7s?li=AAggFp4

And now the PD wants to reorganise the coalition as well. Renzi says he'll rejoin of concessions are made, but PD and M5S want nothing to do with Renzi after this. It's looking like Conte will end up leading a minority government.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:20 am

Renzi is an idiot. Conte was doing a kinda good job or at least tried to.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:38 am

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"Well, the year when the Italian Governing Coalition Collapsed"

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:56 am

Italian governments always collapse. Italy is known for being a country where things just don't work because there's too much chaos and disorganization mixed with corruption.

My hypothesis is after the Roman Empire fell, the blow to Italian pride was so demoralizing that the people of the peninsula stopped giving a shit and they haven't given a shit since, which is why covid aid took forever to reach the south, why Mussolini couldn't fight the war against Greece alone and why every Italian government collapses inevitably into infighting.
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Postby Lost Memories » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:01 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Italian governments always collapse. Italy is known for being a country where things just don't work because there's too much chaos and disorganization mixed with corruption.

My hypothesis is after the Roman Empire fell, the blow to Italian pride was so demoralizing that the people of the peninsula stopped giving a shit and they haven't given a shit since, which is why covid aid took forever to reach the south, why Mussolini couldn't fight the war against Greece alone and why every Italian government collapses inevitably into infighting.

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Hmmm


Can not disagree with what was said about Renzi.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:04 am

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Italian governments always collapse. Italy is known for being a country where things just don't work because there's too much chaos and disorganization mixed with corruption.

My hypothesis is after the Roman Empire fell, the blow to Italian pride was so demoralizing that the people of the peninsula stopped giving a shit and they haven't given a shit since, which is why covid aid took forever to reach the south, why Mussolini couldn't fight the war against Greece alone and why every Italian government collapses inevitably into infighting.

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Hmmm


Can not disagree with what was said about Renzi.


Italian isn't a race. And I was joking about the fall of the roman empire part.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:21 am

Nakena wrote:Renzi is an idiot. Conte was doing a kinda good job or at least tried to.


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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:13 am

Unfortunate, but not unexpected. Italy isn't known for long lasting or particularly stable coalitions, which made Conte's cool headed, technocratic approach all the more impressive from an outsider's perspective.

This'll probably result in a lurch to the right, dropping the PD and adding some right-wing parties. I only hope Berlusconi and Salvini don't get more influence.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:21 am

Seems like a good opportunity for the populist right to get into power
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Postby Adamede » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:23 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Seems like a good opportunity for the populist right to get into power

Last I checked the last time Italy went that route it didn’t turn out so good for them.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:27 am

Adamede wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Seems like a good opportunity for the populist right to get into power

Last I checked the last time Italy went that route it didn’t turn out so good for them.


I've said that about every form of government the country ever had, and lack thereof.
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Postby Middle Barael » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:34 am

This is unfortunate. Granted I know little about Italian politics, but I know that Conte was doing a much better job than Matterella, and his handling of COVID-19 could’ve used some work but then again who’d ever have expected that the virus would somehow jump from China and Japan and Korea and Iran into Italy so quickly.

I hope that either Renzi rejoins, or maybe some of the smaller centre-left parties rejoin. Or maybe at least they give Confidence and Supply to Conte’s government. Let’s just hope that Forza Italia or Lega don’t somehow get a majority
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:43 am

Middle Barael wrote:This is unfortunate. Granted I know little about Italian politics, but I know that Conte was doing a much better job than Matterella, and his handling of COVID-19 could’ve used some work but then again who’d ever have expected that the virus would somehow jump from China and Japan and Korea and Iran into Italy so quickly.

I hope that either Renzi rejoins, or maybe some of the smaller centre-left parties rejoin. Or maybe at least they give Confidence and Supply to Conte’s government. Let’s just hope that Forza Italia or Lega don’t somehow get a majority


Alas, a lot of experts are saying that the only way Conte can retake a majority before tomorrow's vote in the Chamber is some kind of agreement with FI.
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Postby No State Here » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:53 am

The Italian government is collapsing

In other news, Earth is still revolving around the Sun
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Postby Dogmeat » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:54 am

Oh no!

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Postby Atheris » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:05 am

Baltenstein wrote:"Which year was that?"

"Well, the year when the Italian Governing Coalition Collapsed"

"You'll have to be a lot more specific than that."

"When are you from?"

"The year the Italian government collapsed."

"Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"

"Too bad. It's all you get."
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:06 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Seems like a good opportunity for the populist right to get into power


It would be a good opportunity.

Let's hope they don't take it.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:06 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Seems like a good opportunity for the populist right to get into power


I don't know if they are covid denialist in Italy like in other european countries.

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Postby Atheris » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:07 am

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Like this! *thrusts the monarchy back into Italy*
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:27 am

What are the chances of Giuseppe Conte successfully convincing the President to declare a national state of emergency, prevent Parliament from convening, and rule by decree with virtually unchecked executive power for the next seven months ostensibly to battle the coronavirus pandemic while a draconian Sedition Act chills freedom of expression? In other words, what are the chances of him pulling a Mussolini-like stunt similar to what has happened in other so-called parliamentary democracies such as Hungary and Malaysia, also ostensibly to combat a pandemic?

I highly doubt this kind of authoritarian power grab in response to the loss of a parliamentary majority would ever occur. Italy's a republic and there is no monarchy to revere or unlawfully commit lese majeste against, and I'm pretty sure democratic institutions are considerably more robust there, albeit not as much as the United States.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:41 am

Atheris wrote:Don't curse the darkness. Light a candle! When freaky politics give you lemons, make freaky politics lemonade!

Like this! *thrusts the monarchy back into Italy*


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