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Alibaba founder missing after criticizing the CCP

Postby Resilient Acceleration » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:40 am

Imagine if the richest businessman in America, Jeff Bezos, criticizes Trump, who in return sent a black ops CIA team to kidnap the Amazon boss and jail him in an undisclosed location. That'll be crazy, right?

Well...
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba and Ant Group, is suspected missing, Jessica Yun reported for Yahoo Finance.

The 56-year-old businessman has not been seen in public for more than two months, per the report.

Ma has been in the spotlight recently as China has cracked down on his business empire. In late December, Chinese regulators launched an antitrust investigation into Alibaba, the country's biggest e-commerce company that some refer to as "the Amazon of China." And in November, China had introduced a series of new regulations that put a halt to what would have been the massive initial public offering of Ma's fintech company, Ant Group.

The new rules came weeks after Ma criticized China's financial regulatory system at a conference in Shanghai in October. At the conference, Ma reportedly dismissed the global financial regulations used by China as "an old people's club" and said, "We can't use yesterday's methods to regulate the future."


He was the richest man in China, but lost the position after CCP regulators hit him with antitrust investigations. Now he's number 4. Assuming he's still alive, that is. Apparently, last November, Ma was abruptly replaced as a judge on the African talent show he founded, "Africa's Business Heroes" due to the aforementioned mysterious dissapearance from public view.

In general, China isn't alien to cases of missing high-profile figures. In 2018 alone,
  • Actress Fan Bingbing,
  • Three Canadian citizens,
  • Gene-editing scientist He Jiankui,
  • Literally the head of the Interpol, Meng Hongwei,
  • Award-winning photographer Lu Guang,
  • Ink-splash girl Dong Yaoqiong,
  • Christian church leader Wang Yi,
went missing without a trace. They would either show up later, already convicted of crimes and sentenced to imprisonment, or stay missing.

Michael Caster, a China researcher and author of The People's Republic of the Disappeared, told the ABC that while true numbers are impossible to calculate due to the secrecy of the process, he estimates the numbers are "easily in the several hundreds", in addition to "upwards of a million Uyghur and minority group members".

He said those detained could be held for a few weeks, months or much longer. Occasionally they don't come back at all.

When they do come back, it is often to face court.

Mr Caster said most detentions included "extreme physical or mental abuse raising to the level of torture", with the main goal being to obtain a forced confession. Source.


Meanwhile, in 2019, another Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui (who fled China as a fugitive in 2014) said that in the next year, Ma would likely end up in jail or dead because China wants to "take back" Ma's lucrative Ant Group.

Do you think that he's really missing? Is this a sign of the CCP's increasing authoritarianism, under pressure of the upcoming 2030's aging crisis and the potential end of economic growth that threatens to end the "gentlemen's agreement" between the Chinese citizen (who receive continued prosperity) and the CCP (who receive political obedience)?

Or is all of this just baseless rumours and media fearmongering, and the guy is perfectly fine?
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:45 am

I think China did it again.
Although the media might be overreacting, China isn’t a nation to be messed with.
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Postby Atheara » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:45 am

Is this a good reason for the world to go on strike against China?
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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:48 am

Atheara wrote:Is this a good reason for the world to go on strike against China?

The world has had multiple reason to do that.
But sadly that’s not how politics work.
Unless you wanna get drafted.
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Postby Wapistan » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:50 am

I think he is most likely in the hands of the CCP, or on the run from them. Besides, the CCP will always find to a way to get rid of their enemies.


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Postby Picairn » Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:09 am

My guess is that he is spending his time away "on vacation" somewhere, under house arrest.
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Postby Willtime » Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:29 am

Not for anythingelse,just for this "Imagine if the richest businessman in America, Jeff Bezos, criticizes Trump, who in return sent a black ops CIA team to kidnap the Amazon boss and jail him in an undisclosed location. That'll be crazy, right? "

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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:12 am

Won't anyone think of the poor billionaires? The CCP has millions of political dissidents in internment camps and executes hundreds to thousands of people every year, who cares if Xi offed one guy?
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Postby Imperium Latine » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:14 am

Just a normal day in CCP China, doesn't really matter who you are, if you're against the regime you disappear forever or go to jail.
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Postby Radiatia » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:16 am

Well if there's one thing I know about China, it's that this guy will no doubt turn up safe, alive and with no made up charges justifying his imprisonment and/or torture. Because the CCP are great at handling criticism and Xi Jingping doesn't at all look exactly like Winnie the Pooh.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:23 am

I think this is probably a great opportunity to put pressure on China.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:38 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:In general, China isn't alien to cases of missing high-profile figures. In 2018 alone,
  • Actress Fan Bingbing,
  • Three Canadian citizens,
  • Gene-editing scientist He Jiankui,
  • Literally the head of the Interpol, Meng Hongwei,
  • Award-winning photographer Lu Guang,
  • Ink-splash girl Dong Yaoqiong,
  • Christian church leader Wang Yi,
went missing without a trace. They would either show up later, already convicted of crimes and sentenced to imprisonment, or stay missing.


You forgot Huang Yanling.

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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:41 am

Punished UMN wrote:Won't anyone think of the poor billionaires? The CCP has millions of political dissidents in internment camps and executes hundreds to thousands of people every year, who cares if Xi offed one guy?

Me, but I care if he oofs any guys at all.
Like, you should oof people.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:08 am

Oh yeah he big dead.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:32 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:Imagine if the richest businessman in America, Jeff Bezos, criticizes Trump, who in return sent a black ops CIA team to kidnap the Amazon boss and jail him in an undisclosed location. That'll be crazy, right?

Well...
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba and Ant Group, is suspected missing, Jessica Yun reported for Yahoo Finance.

The 56-year-old businessman has not been seen in public for more than two months, per the report.

Ma has been in the spotlight recently as China has cracked down on his business empire. In late December, Chinese regulators launched an antitrust investigation into Alibaba, the country's biggest e-commerce company that some refer to as "the Amazon of China." And in November, China had introduced a series of new regulations that put a halt to what would have been the massive initial public offering of Ma's fintech company, Ant Group.

The new rules came weeks after Ma criticized China's financial regulatory system at a conference in Shanghai in October. At the conference, Ma reportedly dismissed the global financial regulations used by China as "an old people's club" and said, "We can't use yesterday's methods to regulate the future."


Apparently, last November, Ma was abruptly replaced as a judge on the African talent show he founded, "Africa's Business Heroes. He was the richest man in China, but fell to the fourth place after CCP regulators hit him with antitrust investigations.

In general, China isn't alien to cases of missing high-profile figures. In 2018 alone,
  • Actress Fan Bingbing,
  • Three Canadian citizens,
  • Gene-editing scientist He Jiankui,
  • Literally the head of the Interpol, Meng Hongwei,
  • Award-winning photographer Lu Guang,
  • Ink-splash girl Dong Yaoqiong,
  • Christian church leader Wang Yi,
went missing without a trace. They would either show up later, already convicted of crimes and sentenced to imprisonment, or stay missing.

Michael Caster, a China researcher and author of The People's Republic of the Disappeared, told the ABC that while true numbers are impossible to calculate due to the secrecy of the process, he estimates the numbers are "easily in the several hundreds", in addition to "upwards of a million Uyghur and minority group members".

He said those detained could be held for a few weeks, months or much longer. Occasionally they don't come back at all.

When they do come back, it is often to face court.

Mr Caster said most detentions included "extreme physical or mental abuse raising to the level of torture", with the main goal being to obtain a forced confession. Source.


Meanwhile, in 2019, another Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui (who fled China as a fugitive in 2014) said that in the next year, Ma would likely end up in jail or dead because China wants to "take back" Ma's lucrative Ant Group.

Do you think that he's really missing? Is this a sign of the CCP's increasing authoritarianism, under pressure of the upcoming 2030's aging crisis and the potential end of economic growth that threatens to end the "gentlemen's agreement" between the Chinese citizen (who receive continued prosperity) and the CCP (who receive political obedience)?

Or is all of this just baseless rumours and media fearmongering, and the guy is perfectly fine?


No matter what he did Mr. Ma is at least a lot better than all the Chinese emperors combined. At least Alibaba is a real company that does benefit people.

In my hypothetical Sangleyia Mr.Ma should be able to do his business at will just like Amazon and even run for presidency.
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Postby Kexholm Karelia » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:33 am

The CCP is destroying class barrier! They don’t care about your social class, everyone is equally worthless to them!
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:35 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:The CCP is destroying class barrier! They don’t care about your social class, everyone is equally worthless to them!


Yup.

No lives matter, not even lives of the CCP elite themselves in the eyes of other CCP elites.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:38 am

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:48 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:The CCP is destroying class barrier! They don’t care about your social class, everyone is equally worthless to them!


Yup.

No lives matter, not even lives of the CCP elite themselves in the eyes of other CCP elites.

This has some pretty interesting parallels to the Stalinist purges right before WW2. It’s a bit surprising, I never took Xi to be paranoid, its possible he discovered a convincing plot to overthrow him or was convinced of one by someone else
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:13 am

Punished UMN wrote:Won't anyone think of the poor billionaires? The CCP has millions of political dissidents in internment camps and executes hundreds to thousands of people every year, who cares if Xi offed one guy?

Well if it gets the world to actually do something about China than I’m all for it
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:17 am

According to WSJ, this was Xi's reaction following Ma's criticism of the Chinese financial regulatory system. Note that the criticism is actually pretty valid as the laws do inhibit investment growth, since liberalization means a weaker CCP political control over the economy.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:34 am

Looks like he got infected by a strange new mutation of the corona virus whose symptoms include incarceration and bullets to the head.
Luckily it's only contagious for people who piss off the CCP.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:41 am

Baltenstein wrote:Looks like he got infected by a strange new mutation of the corona virus whose symptoms include incarceration and bullets to the head.
Luckily it's only contagious for people who piss off the CCP.


He died from an unexpected sudden lead-poisoning.

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